Leap Year - The Kemba Walker Thread III

[Liver_Pooty]

You don't build around short PG's who can't crack 40 percent from the field.

You don't build around PG's period. Ask Chris Paul.

[DY_nasty]

We hired a coach to maximise Kemba's game, drafted a bunch of players to cover his defensive ineptitude and provided him with the FA he requested...

we've done what we can for kemba and he's still mediocre.

I still don't think people are willing to accept that we got Al to match with Kemba specifically.

I mean.... it happened lol

We didn't get Al just because we liked him. We wanted a big FA to match with our PG of the future. A stopgap while we developed the talent behind him.

It happened

That did happen, but you also have to admit that Al is a horrible fit with Kemba. We brought in Al partially to increase our talent and give us a stop gap player while our young guys developed, but also because the thought was that we needed a big to pair with Kemba. That doesn't change the fact that Kemba and Al are an awful pair. Al doesn't really pair well with anyone except spot up shooters, and even that is iffy considering how unwilling he is to pass to open shooters once he has the ball.

2 things

1, yes. I'm glad we can agree that Al was brought in to match with Kemba.

2, And this is the kicker. They weren't a horrible fit though. They were the 3rd best PnR combo in the league according to synergy last year

[MasterIchiro]

Kemba is ranked 23rd in the league for PG's in FG%. Right below him is Michael Carter freaking Williams.

Its an issue folks. Its an issue.

His bad shot selection is a problem but operating in the tiniest amount of space in the NBA doesn't resolve it and won't until there is a fundamental change. He's a prolific dribbler but damn. His air supply is choked off like no other PG. Even if he had better shot selection, his good looks would be few and far between.

Also agreed. I dont think it is really fair to bitch about Kemba's FG% w/out first bitching about the fit and style of the roster and offense. Its a terrible fit for Kemba. If he is our guy, we have to commit to him 100%. Kemba is not the type of guard you can plug into any roster with any scheme and expect him to be productive.

Do you want to change it all for Kemba? That's the question. I think we have to or trade him.

He's an enigma.

It's a terrible fit for Kemba and inconvenient for fans who want to build around MKG. I think they can coexist if you have a lights out SG like Danny Green but we won't go to the next level unless Vonleh can find some range. I don't think we have to go all in but we do need to not just play to the strengths/assets we control, but adapt to the league. None of the contenders have a player like MKG who hasn't attempted a 3.

[Elden Payton]

His bad shot selection is a problem but operating in the tiniest amount of space in the NBA doesn't resolve it and won't until there is a fundamental change. He's a prolific dribbler but damn. His air supply is choked off like no other PG. Even if he had better shot selection, his good looks would be few and far between.

Also agreed. I dont think it is really fair to bitch about Kemba's FG% w/out first bitching about the fit and style of the roster and offense. Its a terrible fit for Kemba. If he is our guy, we have to commit to him 100%. Kemba is not the type of guard you can plug into any roster with any scheme and expect him to be productive.

Do you want to change it all for Kemba? That's the question. I think we have to or trade him.

He's an enigma.

Kemba is not a good enough player to change an entire roster for. Hes not a Westbrook or Chris Paul.

When is the last time a team centered and built around a PG won a title? Magic Johnson? Lol even he had Kareem, Worthy, etc. You cannot shape a team around a point guard. Changing everything for Walker would be such a monumental mistake its insane.

Bingo.

This leaves us with 2 options, move him on or keep building around him only to fail miserably.

[fatlever]

You don't build around short PG's who can't crack 40 percent from the field.

and you also dont built around 6'9", 30 year old centers, who play no defense and can't run at full speed.

and for the love of god, you dont pair them together next to two wings who cant shoot and a power forward who cant rebound or block shots.

[Liver_Pooty]

His bad shot selection is a problem but operating in the tiniest amount of space in the NBA doesn't resolve it and won't until there is a fundamental change. He's a prolific dribbler but damn. His air supply is choked off like no other PG. Even if he had better shot selection, his good looks would be few and far between.

Also agreed. I dont think it is really fair to bitch about Kemba's FG% w/out first bitching about the fit and style of the roster and offense. Its a terrible fit for Kemba. If he is our guy, we have to commit to him 100%. Kemba is not the type of guard you can plug into any roster with any scheme and expect him to be productive.

Do you want to change it all for Kemba? That's the question. I think we have to or trade him.

He's an enigma.

It's a terrible fit for Kemba and inconvenient for fans who want to build around MKG. I think they can coexist if you have a lights out SG like Danny Green but we won't go to the next level unless Vonleh can find some range. I don't think we have to go all in but we do need to not just play to the strengths/assets we control, but adapt to the league. None of the contenders have a player like MKG who hasn't attempted a 3.

We don't have a single player on this team to build around. Thats the problem. We have a couple great role players who might become a 1 or two time all star, but nothing to shape a roster around.

That is the epitome of a treadmill.

[Elden Payton]

We hired a coach to maximise Kemba's game, drafted a bunch of players to cover his defensive ineptitude and provided him with the FA he requested...

we've done what we can for kemba and he's still mediocre.

I still don't think people are willing to accept that we got Al to match with Kemba specifically.

I mean.... it happened lol

We didn't get Al just because we liked him. We wanted a big FA to match with our PG of the future. A stopgap while we developed the talent behind him.

It happened

we may have, if so it was a mistake and another example of short sightedness by our front office.

thought we need a post presence to help Kemba. Al is good in the post, lets ignore everything else and sign him asap.

done, now Kemba should really be free'd up with a true post presence.

Kemba wanted him and ownership and the FO obliged.

Lets blame ownership and the FO?

[Elden Payton]

You don't build around short PG's who can't crack 40 percent from the field.

You don't build around PG's period. Ask Chris Paul.

At least with Chris Paul you'd know you're making the playoffs.

[Liver_Pooty]

You don't build around short PG's who can't crack 40 percent from the field.

You don't build around PG's period. Ask Chris Paul.

At least with Chris Paul you'd know you're making the playoffs.

Lol. Can't disagree with that.

[Diop]

Exactly. Which is why I am not sure how any of us can really evaluate our players and even our coaches until we get some players that actually make sense next to each other. The roster is a disaster.

Agreed to the 3rd power. My evaluation has been on Cho and Clifford more than any specific players.

I am 100% ready to see Cho **** or get off the pot. He has to make some moves this summer to fit his coach and players. Its on Cho. He failed miserably last summer, even if he had some good ideas. I can't really totally crap on Clifford until he gets a roster that fits his coaching style and also makes sense. At the same time, Clifford better get his head out of his ass and figure out the best way to use what he has.

I have been resisting blaming Cho but the last few days of discussion have swung me around. You're right, he hasn't looked to match players at all. Just collect assets, or selects the player who fits a specific need, ignoring everything else that is required from that position ie. The Marv Maneuver

[Elden Payton]

You don't build around short PG's who can't crack 40 percent from the field.

and you also dont built around 6'9", 30 year old centers, who play no defense and can't run at full speed.

and for the love of god, you dont pair them together next to two wings who cant shoot and a power forward who cant rebound or block shots.

I want them both gone.

i wouldn't build around al either.

[DY_nasty]

His bad shot selection is a problem but operating in the tiniest amount of space in the NBA doesn't resolve it and won't until there is a fundamental change. He's a prolific dribbler but damn. His air supply is choked off like no other PG. Even if he had better shot selection, his good looks would be few and far between.

Also agreed. I dont think it is really fair to bitch about Kemba's FG% w/out first bitching about the fit and style of the roster and offense. Its a terrible fit for Kemba. If he is our guy, we have to commit to him 100%. Kemba is not the type of guard you can plug into any roster with any scheme and expect him to be productive.

Do you want to change it all for Kemba? That's the question. I think we have to or trade him.

He's an enigma.

It's a terrible fit for Kemba and inconvenient for fans who want to build around MKG. I think they can coexist if you have a lights out SG like Danny Green but we won't go to the next level unless Vonleh can find some range. I don't think we have to go all in but we do need to not just play to the strengths/assets we control, but adapt to the league. None of the contenders have a player like MKG who hasn't attempted a 3.

You've been dodging it for a while now but please check any of the numbers I've dropped in the Clifford thread. That narrative is about 3 months too old.

And taking no 3s is a bigger feat than Kemba's TO% imo. A young player that conscious of shot selection is a positive, not a negative. MKG's ORTG, TS%, or eFG% isn't making Kemba's mechanics or shot selection what it is.

[catch20two]

Are we paying Kemba a max contract or something? I don't get the argument that we have to trade Kemba in order for Cho to add talent to the team. It's rather imbecilic.

[MasterIchiro]

You don't build around short PG's who can't crack 40 percent from the field.

Nobody said that we should. While you're at it tho you should tell Cho since you think he did.

Nope, can't question Cho, only your least favorite players.

My thinking is you give max contracts to your cornerstone pieces. Kemba got far from it considering the looming rise especially.

[fatlever]

His bad shot selection is a problem but operating in the tiniest amount of space in the NBA doesn't resolve it and won't until there is a fundamental change. He's a prolific dribbler but damn. His air supply is choked off like no other PG. Even if he had better shot selection, his good looks would be few and far between.

Also agreed. I dont think it is really fair to bitch about Kemba's FG% w/out first bitching about the fit and style of the roster and offense. Its a terrible fit for Kemba. If he is our guy, we have to commit to him 100%. Kemba is not the type of guard you can plug into any roster with any scheme and expect him to be productive.

Do you want to change it all for Kemba? That's the question. I think we have to or trade him.

He's an enigma.

Kemba is not a good enough player to change an entire roster for. Hes not a Westbrook or Chris Paul.

When is the last time a team centered and built around a PG won a title? Magic Johnson? Lol even he had Kareem, Worthy, etc. You cannot shape a team around a point guard. Changing everything for Walker would be such a monumental mistake its insane.

Sure, of course.

But we don't have a single player worth building around if we are trying to win a ring. Until we have a player worth building around for a ring, we have to have some kind of plan, right? Currently our plan seems to be, having no plan at all.

Maybe the plan should be, blow it up and start all over again.

[Elden Payton]

You don't build around short PG's who can't crack 40 percent from the field.

Nobody said that we should. While you're at it tho you should tell Cho since you think he did.

Nope, can't question Cho, only your least favorite players.

My thinking is you give max contracts to your cornerstone pieces. Kemba got far from it considering the looming rise especially.

Cho knows more about basketball than all of us and Kemba is overpaid regardless of when the cap rises.

[DY_nasty]

Agreed to the 3rd power. My evaluation has been on Cho and Clifford more than any specific players.

I am 100% ready to see Cho **** or get off the pot. He has to make some moves this summer to fit his coach and players. Its on Cho. He failed miserably last summer, even if he had some good ideas. I can't really totally crap on Clifford until he gets a roster that fits his coaching style and also makes sense. At the same time, Clifford better get his head out of his ass and figure out the best way to use what he has.

I have been resisting blaming Cho but the last few days of discussion have swung me around. You're right, he hasn't looked to match players at all. Just collect assets, or selects the player who fits a specific need, ignoring everything else that is required from that position ie. The Marv Maneuver

I can't blame Cho for raising the overall talent level in this franchise while somehow creating assets out of thin air.

He hasn't hit a homerun in the draft yet, but that's only one job of the GM. And he's had some bad drafts to work through on top of that... I can actually rationalize each decision as well. Its not like he's out there drafting Otto Porter or Anthony Bennett. There hasn't been a single thing he's done that's been outright immediately recognizable as "bad" - and that says a lot in the NBA. Good GMs are harder to find than good coaches.

[catch20two]

I still don't think people are willing to accept that we got Al to match with Kemba specifically.

I mean.... it happened lol

We didn't get Al just because we liked him. We wanted a big FA to match with our PG of the future. A stopgap while we developed the talent behind him.

It happened

we may have, if so it was a mistake and another example of short sightedness by our front office.

thought we need a post presence to help Kemba. Al is good in the post, lets ignore everything else and sign him asap.

done, now Kemba should really be free'd up with a true post presence.

Kemba wanted him and ownership and the FO obliged.

Lets blame ownership and the FO?

Kemba woulda took Javale Mcgee at that time we were so corny and void of frontcourt talent. Hell we were starting Mullens and Hakim Warrick. Him and Al had the same agent. Al was a free agent and Kemba put a bug in his ear. I don't see how is that maybe front office obliging to Kemba. I'm sure Kemba want LeBron, Anthony Davis, Marc Gasol, and whoever may become a free agent too. Who wouldn't?

[Braggins]

I still don't think people are willing to accept that we got Al to match with Kemba specifically.

I mean.... it happened lol

We didn't get Al just because we liked him. We wanted a big FA to match with our PG of the future. A stopgap while we developed the talent behind him.

It happened

That did happen, but you also have to admit that Al is a horrible fit with Kemba. We brought in Al partially to increase our talent and give us a stop gap player while our young guys developed, but also because the thought was that we needed a big to pair with Kemba. That doesn't change the fact that Kemba and Al are an awful pair. Al doesn't really pair well with anyone except spot up shooters, and even that is iffy considering how unwilling he is to pass to open shooters once he has the ball.

2 things

1, yes. I'm glad we can agree that Al was brought in to match with Kemba.

2, And this is the kicker. They weren't a horrible fit though. They were the 3rd best PnR combo in the league according to synergy last year

I don't know how those stats work and if they really reflect how good of a pnr player Al is, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I was more referring to how he has played this year. He has been setting the most lazy disgusting screens I've ever seen. He literally sets screens like a Jr. high girl trying to protect her tits. He also makes the most half assed roll attempts that defenses completely ignore. He is just generally awful without the ball and can basically be ignored. He isn't even reliable at catching a pass and gathering himself and then making a shot.

[Liver_Pooty]

Also agreed. I dont think it is really fair to bitch about Kemba's FG% w/out first bitching about the fit and style of the roster and offense. Its a terrible fit for Kemba. If he is our guy, we have to commit to him 100%. Kemba is not the type of guard you can plug into any roster with any scheme and expect him to be productive.

Do you want to change it all for Kemba? That's the question. I think we have to or trade him.

He's an enigma.

Kemba is not a good enough player to change an entire roster for. Hes not a Westbrook or Chris Paul.

When is the last time a team centered and built around a PG won a title? Magic Johnson? Lol even he had Kareem, Worthy, etc. You cannot shape a team around a point guard. Changing everything for Walker would be such a monumental mistake its insane.

Sure, of course.

But we don't have a single player worth building around if we are trying to win a ring. Until we have a player worth building around for a ring, we have to have some kind of plan, right? Currently our plan seems to be, having no plan at all.

Maybe the plan should be, blow it up and start all over again.

Thats been our plan since 2004. Im just tired of this entire ordeal to be honest. Lol hell, even when we suck ass and win 7 games we can;t get the first pick.