Hornets acquire Miles Plumlee for Hawes & Hibbert

[GB_Packers]

Always annoying when other fans come on the board bragging about how they supposedly won a trade when its yet to be seen. Going to laugh when Miles balls out.

Yeah, good luck with those thoughts. He looked lost on a basketball court this season, even at times like he'd never played the game before this year. Don't expect much and even then you'll likely be disappointed.

[GoBobs]

Can't help but think of this as another move in the series of moves that could have been avoided by trying to resign Biz 2 years ago when we probably could have locked him up long term for much cheaper than his current deal, and cheaper than Miles.

Moving on...

I would much much much rather have Biz for 16 mil per year then Miles for 12.5. I remember when people on here were saying we shouldn't extend Biz for 8 that he would be way overpaid. What a joke this team is.

[HornetJail]

lol this is dumb. We get better this season. But we completely destroy any hope of improving significantly in the offseason.

It's actually the reverse. Cap wise had everyone we expected opted out the Hornets would have been just under the cap. They would have had less money to spend than the MLE. Now they will be just over the cap, which means they will have the full MLE to spend. It's not a *great* position, but it's better than what it was before the trade.

Drink up!

we could've had upwards of $20M in cap space if we chose to dump Marco and Lamb. I would much rather have gone that route than take on a $12M contract for four years just for the ability to use an $8M exception. I get that you guys are trying to feel better about this, but there's much better ways to spend $12M.

[Walt Cronkite]

Surprised to read so many negative reactions. Seems to me like we switched two guys that didn't fit for one guy that probably will and costs 1 or 2 mill more. While he's overpaid, we have a lot of friendly deals, so I don't think that hurts so bad. How terrible did everyone say Belinelli was when we made that trade? If this guy can replicate what Cody does, we just got a lot better. Hawes was a fun player and will be missed.

[JDR720]

We are basically set at every position for a couple years besides backup pg now.

[GlenRiceARoni]

Can't help but think of this as another move in the series of moves that could have been avoided by trying to resign Biz 2 years ago when we probably could have locked him up long term for much cheaper than his current deal, and cheaper than Miles.

Moving on...

I would much much much rather have Biz for 16 mil per year then Miles for 12.5. I remember when people on here were saying we shouldn't extend Biz for 8 that he would be way overpaid. What a joke this team is.

Yea letting biyombo go was an indefensible mistake. His value was WAY underappreciated he practically led the league in reb/36 and blk/36.

Missing the opportunity to 4/ $30m him can not be understated

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[GlenRiceARoni]

Surprised to read so many negative reactions. Seems to me like we switched two guys that didn't fit for one guy that probably will and costs 1 or 2 mill more. While he's overpaid, we have a lot of friendly deals, so I don't think that hurts so bad. How terrible did everyone say Belinelli was when we made that trade? If this guy can replicate what Cody does, we just got a lot better. Hawes was a fun player and will be missed.

Exactly. We consolidated two AWFUL players into one that fits perfectly schematically.

Its a bit of a risk because he may not rebound his career in charlotte, but really you can just look at it as a 2/$26 deal.

This year's salary obviously doesnt matter.

Next year's salary doesnt matter either due to our salary cap circumstances. We werent getting anyone good for the pittance we could offer under the cap. In fact, by getting our MLE back we may be able to offer slightly more.

Year 3 does matter and by then it may look like good or bad value who knows.

Year 4 hes an expiring deal so he may prove useful in a trade if hes not productive.

With the cap going up expiring deals were not as valuable as normal. You cant expect teams to give up great players for expiring deals this year.



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[Vanderbilt_Grad]

lol this is dumb. We get better this season. But we completely destroy any hope of improving significantly in the offseason.

It's actually the reverse. Cap wise had everyone we expected opted out the Hornets would have been just under the cap. They would have had less money to spend than the MLE. Now they will be just over the cap, which means they will have the full MLE to spend. It's not a *great* position, but it's better than what it was before the trade.

Drink up!

we could've had upwards of $20M in cap space if we chose to dump Marco and Lamb. I would much rather have gone that route than take on a $12M contract for four years just for the ability to use an $8M exception. I get that you guys are trying to feel better about this, but there's much better ways to spend $12M.

Just under half of the teams in the league can get to that $20 mil number next year and most of the free agents aren't going to be worth it. With the new CBA the really good free agents are almost certain to want to sign with their current teams ... unless that new supermax can be used in sign and trades. Anyway holding onto Beli/Lamb for now is almost certainly the better move.

I don't love this move, it just seems logical enough to me that I'm willing to see how it works out. Got my fingers crossed though.

[GlenRiceARoni]

I wonder if Brooklyn would take a 2nd, lamb, and sessions for Lin. They need young players and picks

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[TheKingofSting]

We are basically set at every position for a couple years besides backup pg now.

Give it up, Jaruff. It is a horrible deal any way that you spin it!


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[BatumtheGlue]

I have no problem with this trade. I like him as a player, i've seen enough of Hibbert. I'll miss Hawes tho.

[GlenRiceARoni]

Its too bad we didnt take a flyer on seth curry last offseason. Still shocked Dellevedova got 4x what Curry got lol

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[GlenRiceARoni]

Where the heck is the welcome plumlee thread

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[fatlever]

First off for the old timers, this trade reminds me of when the (then) Bobcats got Nazr Mohammed. Trade two useless players for an overpaid out of rotation center who might actually help. But still, meh

That was the worst trade ever because we had to give up Herrmann.

[12footrim]

As far as hawes and hibbert being better than Miles you couldnt be further off base. Hibbert is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA.

We are 1-11 without zeller and 22-16 with zeller.

Now ask yourself is cody Zeller Jesus Christ reincarnate or do hibbert and hawes suck monkey d?

It's never just that simple in a team game. You also have zero context for any of those smaller samples size or account for other very important things like SOS, their actual individual performances, other injuries on the team, back to backs, home away breakdown, other teams trends at the time, other teams injuries in that time etc etc. You just have a surface level with zero depth and back it on nothing but your weak opinion.

Here is what we KNOW when we take the sum of it all

When Plumlee actually gets on the court his 9.7 minutes for a 21-27 team the 32 times he has escaped the bench he has an 8.0 PER and is 47th out of 71 centers in RPM.

Hibbert has a much more respectable 13.4 PER and is 39th out of 71 centers in RPM.

The fact is by almost every important metric used to measure these guys productivity in the game the guys you shipped have been better.

[fatlever]

Where the heck is the welcome plumlee thread

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This is pretty much it. We'll rename this in a few days and this will become the official Plumlee thread.

[Braggins]

The only bit of optimism I have about this is from knowing that we've made similar trades in the past that I hated that ended up working out better than anyone (except Yosemiteben) expected them to.

[BlackOutBuzz]

MIL disproves my theory that teams don't trade players they extended the past summer. What a bizarre situation for them.

Plumlee technically wasn't extended. He completed his rookie contract and was extended a QO to become a RFA. From there he signed a new deal, as opposed to an extension prior to his rookie deal completing (a la Zeller).

In practical terms the methods aren't that different, save for poison pill provision which makes it very difficult to trade extended players (Zeller), but there's no such restriction on re-signed RFAs (Plumlee).

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[TheKingofSting]

The only bit of optimism I have about this is from knowing that we've made similar trades in the past that I hated that ended up working out better than anyone (except Yosemiteben) expected them to.

The only positive I see is Cho is probably going to get fired!


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[Eoghan]

For the capologists, are we really expecting to be able to do much with that $8m MLE? Please prove me wrong b/c I'm just envisioning that we spend it on another Hibbert/Sessions/Roberts tier of player.

I'm ecstatic that I don't have to see Hibbert anymore though. Any guy that went to the Adam Morrison school of running is not welcome in a Hornets uni IMO. I'll miss the comic relief and PhD level YMCA passing that is Spencer Hawes but I was this close to shaving my head since watching bad Hawes was making my hair fall out anyway.