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Najee12 wrote:Charlotte has been a low-level or middle-of-the-road team since the second franchise came to town for the following reasons:
* Poor leadership from the owners (first Robert Johnson, now Michael Jordan).
* A history of using first-round picks on decent-floor, low-ceiling players from big-name schools, particularly if the player has a good run in the NCAA tournament (Kemba Walker being the only one who has panned out).
* Going from one organization extreme (not wanting to pay players) to the other extreme (overpaying for bit players such as Batum, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Marvin Williams and Cody Zeller) in building a team.
* Having no community engagement or excitement among its product (I've met members of the Hornets' marketing communications team and they seemed rather clueless on strategies for promoting this franchise).
Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:I want to quibble a bit about the draft. Sure some of the bad picks (Frank, MKG, etc.) fit that pattern really well. Other bad picks seem to scream lack of preparation or poor decision making when the unexpected occurs (Noah, Malik). In either case though that does feel like an ownership issue based on what we know.
Najee12 wrote:dmutombo321 wrote:The club's dilemma is that no other team is going to take those marginal players with poor contracts off their hands. They're stuck with Batum until 2021. It's not Walker's fault that management handed out all those bad deals and ruined their payroll. But that's the position they're in.
As a person who was a sports journalist who covered the Hornets in the 1990s for a North Carolina newspaper and has followed the NBA for decades, I disagree. All NBA players have trade value, positive or negative. Like any asset acquisition or sell, the questions become what does the seller want in return, what is the buyer willing to give up and whether all parties can agree to the terms.
Nicolas Batum obviously is a negative asset ($25 million-per-year contract with seventh-man production), but it is not unmovable as we have seen teams move players with bad contracts recently (see Ryan Anderson and another former Charlotte acquisition, Timofey Mozgov) or historically. The question is what does Charlotte want in return for the asset and what is it willing to do to get rid of the asset. Offering Frank Kaminsky as a "sweetener" as reported a few weeks ago only makes other teams laugh at the offer and question Charlotte's poor evaluation of talent.
The alternative is keeping Batum, who is having a negative influence on the team's present-day and long-term horizon at a tune of $60 million-plus over the remaining life of his contract. Think like a business owner or a department head of a major division that has a declining asset: Is it worth giving up a first-round pick or some young prospect to get rid of that $60 million-plus albatross? Or getting back nothing in return (expiring contracts, second-round picks) to get rid of that declining asset? To me, the answer is yes.
Charlotte just needs to take a loss on Batum and can't expect anything of value in return. The goal is to get rid of the bad asset, not ask for something in return because the Hornets are negotiating from a position of weakness.dmutombo321 wrote:Charlotte trading its best player, is in the franchise's best interest long term if it hopes to be a contender in the East, as opposed to the perennial fringe playoff team it is presently.
Charlotte has been a low-level or middle-of-the-road team since the second franchise came to town for the following reasons:
* Poor leadership from the owners (first Robert Johnson, now Michael Jordan).
* A history of using first-round picks on decent-floor, low-ceiling players from big-name schools, particularly if the player has a good run in the NCAA tournament (Kemba Walker being the only one who has panned out).
* Going from one organization extreme (not wanting to pay players) to the other extreme (overpaying for bit players such as Batum, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Marvin Williams and Cody Zeller) in building a team.
* Having no community engagement or excitement among its product (I've met members of the Hornets' marketing communications team and they seemed rather clueless on strategies for promoting this franchise).
Whether you keep, trade or let Walker leave in free agency, all of those major organizational issues remain. None of them have anything to do with Walker so I don't see how trading Walker somehow makes those things go away.dmutombo321 wrote:A new team is also in Kemba's best interest if he ever aspires to enjoy deep playoff runs or to ever contend for a title, as its not happening here in Charlotte with this roster if he resigns.
So you're admitting Charlotte's problems are based on its front office, which could be the reason Walker leaves. Whether or not Walker stays, Charlotte still will have a team filled with bad contracts for bad players from which it is not willing to divest. The solution is to get rid of the bad assets (Batum, Biyombo, Kidd-Gilchrist, Williams and Zeller) and build around the good asset (Walker). But even if Walker leaves, Charlotte still has to get rid of the bad assets and the bad organizational culture.
dmutombo321 wrote:Even if Walker were to be dealt and they are unable to unload any dead weight contracts with him, at least over the next 2-3 years while waiting for those deals to drop off the books, they'd be accumulating high lottery picks in the meantime. Of course there's no guarantee they make the right choices with those high picks but the odds are much greater that they successfully draft a franchise caliber player in the top 5 than in the 9-16 range where the find themselves year after year when treading water as a fringe playoff team.
Najee12 wrote:Here is a list of the picks Charlotte made during this current franchise's history and here are the players I liked at that time of the draft:
2004 – No. 2 (Okafor); my choice – Luol Deng
2005 – No. 5 (Felton) and No. 13 (Sean May); my choice – package the picks to Atlanta, move up to select Chris Paul at No. 2
2006 – No. 3 (Morrison); my choice – Rudy Gay
2007 – Traded No. 8 pick (Brendan Wright) to Golden State for Jason Richardson
2008 – No. 9 (D.J. Augustin); my choice – Brook Lopez. No. 20 (Alexis Ajinça); my choice – Serge Ibaka
2009 – No. 12 (Gerald Henderson); my choice – Jeff Teague
2010 – Traded No. 16 pick (Luke Babbitt) in 2008 to Denver for the No. 20 pick (used to select Ajinça)
2011 – No. 7 (Bismack Biyombo); my choice – Kemba Walker. No. 9 – Walker; my choice – Klay Thompson
2012 – No. 2 (Michael Kidd-Gilchrist); my choice – Bradley Beal
2013 – No. 4 (Cody Zeller); my choice – Ben MacLemore
2014 – No. 9 (Noah Vonleh); my choice – Zach Lavine. No. 26 (P.J. Hairston); my choice – Bogan Boganovich
2015 – No. 9 (Frank Kaminsky); my choice – Devin Booker
2016 – Traded No. 22 pick (Malachi Richardson) to Sacramento for Marco Bellini
2017 – No. 11 (Mailk Monk); my choice – Donovan Mitchell
BigSlam wrote:Najee12 wrote:So i14 years of drafts, you'ad the 1 miss (2013 - which was a weak class)?
That's an amazing success rate.
Najee12 wrote:2004 – No. 2 (Okafor); my choice – Luol Deng
2005 – No. 5 (Felton) and No. 13 (Sean May); my choice – package the picks to Atlanta, move up to select Chris Paul at No. 2
2006 – No. 3 (Morrison); my choice – Rudy Gay
2007 – Traded No. 8 pick (Brendan Wright) to Golden State for Jason Richardson
2008 – No. 9 (D.J. Augustin); my choice – Brook Lopez. No. 20 (Alexis Ajinça); my choice – Serge Ibaka
2009 – No. 12 (Gerald Henderson); my choice – Jeff Teague
2010 – Traded No. 16 pick (Luke Babbitt) in 2008 to Denver for the No. 20 pick (used to select Ajinça)
2011 – No. 7 (Bismack Biyombo); my choice – Kemba Walker. No. 9 – Walker; my choice – Klay Thompson
2012 – No. 2 (Michael Kidd-Gilchrist); my choice – Bradley Beal
2013 – No. 4 (Cody Zeller); my choice – Ben MacLemore
2014 – No. 9 (Noah Vonleh); my choice – Zach Lavine. No. 26 (P.J. Hairston); my choice – Bogan Boganovich
2015 – No. 9 (Frank Kaminsky); my choice – Devin Booker
2016 – Traded No. 22 pick (Malachi Richardson) to Sacramento for Marco Bellini
2017 – No. 11 (Mailk Monk); my choice – Donovan Mitchell
Najee12 wrote:BigSlam wrote:Najee12 wrote:So i14 years of drafts, you'ad the 1 miss (2013 - which was a weak class)?
That's an amazing success rate.
It's a combination of following the NBA for 40 years, being a former journalist who covered the Charlotte Hornets in the 1990s and using my experience, knowledge and common sense. Practically all the Hornets' picks since 2004 became what most scouts thought they became. -- marginal complementary pieces with little upside.
Kemba Walker is only who panned out and some of you people want to trade him the day after he is named a starter to the Eastern Conference All-Star team. It's not that I am a genius, but practically everyone questioned Charlotte's picks the moment they were made and they were right.
Najee12 wrote:BigSlam wrote:Najee12 wrote:So i14 years of drafts, you'ad the 1 miss (2013 - which was a weak class)?
That's an amazing success rate.
It's a combination of following the NBA for 40 years, being a former journalist who covered the Charlotte Hornets in the 1990s and using my experience, knowledge and common sense. Practically all the Hornets' picks since 2004 became what most scouts thought they became. -- marginal complementary pieces with little upside.
Kemba Walker is only who panned out and some of you people want to trade him the day after he is named a starter to the Eastern Conference All-Star team. It's not that I am a genius, but practically everyone questioned Charlotte's picks the moment they were made and they were right.
Najee12 wrote:BigSlam wrote:Najee12 wrote:So i14 years of drafts, you'ad the 1 miss (2013 - which was a weak class)?
That's an amazing success rate.
It's a combination of following the NBA for 40 years, being a former journalist who covered the Charlotte Hornets in the 1990s
BigSlam wrote:Don't sell yourself short.
It's not just Charlotte that you are better at scouting than - it's most every other team who picked above, and sometimes below them, and didn't pick who your guy was.
You're almost batting 100. You need to stop posting on internet message boards and find a head scouting job!!
Amazing success rate. Some might say unbelievable.
Najee12 wrote:BigSlam wrote:Najee12 wrote:So i14 years of drafts, you'ad the 1 miss (2013 - which was a weak class)?
That's an amazing success rate.
It's a combination of following the NBA for 40 years, being a former journalist who covered the Charlotte Hornets in the 1990s and using my experience, knowledge and common sense. Practically all the Hornets' picks since 2004 became what most scouts thought they became. -- marginal complementary pieces with little upside.
Kemba Walker is only who panned out and some of you people want to trade him the day after he is named a starter to the Eastern Conference All-Star team. It's not that I am a genius, but practically everyone questioned Charlotte's picks the moment they were made and they were right.
Snidely FC wrote:in a vacuum its a no brainer that Kemba stays; unfortunately other teams are making moves; LeBron often gets what he wants, and he glows with admiration when discussing Kemba; if LAL add Ant Davis look for Kemba to be in sight lines as third wheel; and the NYK dumpster fire just opened up a max spot for Kemba plus one
repeated media conjecture he might be better off elsewhere doesn't help either