Secret Sauce: The Terry Rozier Thread

[JDuaneWayne]

Correct me if I'm wrong.
Hornets sign and trade max Kemba.
Celtics sign and trade Rozier at 19.
Trade exception is Kemba max 36 - Rozier 19.
Trade exception is 17 million.
Clint Capela fits into it.

So we hop back on the treadmill?

[BigSlam]

Correct me if I'm wrong.
Hornets sign and trade max Kemba.
Celtics sign and trade Rozier at 19.
Trade exception is Kemba max 36 - Rozier 19.
Trade exception is 17 million.
Clint Capela fits into it.

So we hop back on the treadmill?

And with 3 centers all on deals that average around $15-$17mil each.

[MasterIchiro]

Capela is a beast though. His contract is super valuable. Biz expires. Cody 1 year after. We can't even think about free agents for 2 more years.

[LofJ]

I guess I need to be a Rozier fan now.

[vexco]

Capela is a beast though. His contract is super valuable. Biz expires. Cody 1 year after. We can't even think about free agents for 2 more years.

Agreed. Capela is excellent and fairly young.

[Bassman]

Correct me if I'm wrong.
Hornets sign and trade max Kemba.
Celtics sign and trade Rozier at 19.
Trade exception is Kemba max 36 - Rozier 19.
Trade exception is 17 million.
Clint Capela fits into it.

So we hop back on the treadmill?

Yeah I think Jordan can’t stand not trying to get into the playoffs...just making them is so important to his ego and his wallet, that he won’t stomach the logical choice of a rebuild. In theory they are trying to do a running rebuild...develop young players while competing for wins and eventually get playoff experience. It’s a viable strategy but very hard to pull off. Is it preferable to a tank? I can rationally make the case that it’s just a good an option.

I’m waiting to see how all this unravels.

[hotrod]

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[BlackOutBuzz]

So does BOS have space? Kemba and Rozier's contacts are so far apart, how are they allowed to be traded for each other?

Walker's cap hit replaces Irving's cap hit and they lose Horford's cap hit?

I thought salaries had to match?

There's an obscure factor in this called "base-year compensation" that dilutes Kemba's outgoing value for matching purposes. A player that is:

1) signed-and-traded
2) at an amount that's a 20%+ raise
3) that takes his original team over the cap,...

has his outgoing value cut in half. All of these apply to Kemba, but only 1 and 2 apply to Rozier.

So Kemba's $32.7M contract effectively counts as a $16.35M deal, which can be matched to Rozier's $17.9M.

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[Bassman]

Walker's cap hit replaces Irving's cap hit and they lose Horford's cap hit?

I thought salaries had to match?

There's an obscure factor in this called "base-year compensation" that dilutes Kemba's outgoing value for matching purposes. A player that is:

1) signed-and-traded
2) at an amount that's a 20%+ raise
3) that takes his original team over the cap,...

has his outgoing value cut in half. All of these apply to Kemba, but only 1 and 2 apply to Rozier.

So Kemba's $32.7M contract effectively counts as a $16.35M deal, which can be matched to Rozier's $17.9M.

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That explains it, but also sucks big time. If we are not getting a pick as additional compensation this team did panic. If it stays like this, what a giant suck of a deal. Just a desperate move to get some type of compensation for Kemba.

[_tijo_]

Is there ANYONE ok with this signing? Literally anyone who follows this team?

I think this proves, it wasn't Cho, it's not Mitch. It is Michael. Kemba's ascent into the upper eschelon and the Hornets rebrand masked the ineptitude of the owner, who cannot have the foresight to build a long term winner. I was ok with letting Kemba go if we had a long term plan. This I'm not ok with.

We just gave $19m a year to Terry Rozier. We are stuck with this payroll, with this roster of including Rozier, Batum, MKG, Marvin, Zeller, Biyombo. I think they want to see if we can have every bad contract at once.

We should have hired Rosas who ultimately went to Minnesota. But MJ won't cede control to that kind of team building, so that's why we didn't hire him. It's possible Rosas will give us another terrible contract in Wiggins, so it's not rock bottom yet.

[JDuaneWayne]

I thought salaries had to match?

There's an obscure factor in this called "base-year compensation" that dilutes Kemba's outgoing value for matching purposes. A player that is:

1) signed-and-traded
2) at an amount that's a 20%+ raise
3) that takes his original team over the cap,...

has his outgoing value cut in half. All of these apply to Kemba, but only 1 and 2 apply to Rozier.

So Kemba's $32.7M contract effectively counts as a $16.35M deal, which can be matched to Rozier's $17.9M.

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That explains it, but also sucks big time. If we are not getting a pick as additional compensation this team did panic. If it stays like this, what a giant suck of a deal. Just a desperate move to get some type of compensation for Kemba.

Where are the people saying they trust Mitch has a plan? The plan couldn't have been lose Kemba, overpay Rozier.

[LofJ]

I'm expecting to see Wiggins in Hornets teal next season. And we won't get draft compensation for taking him on.

[MasterIchiro]

I'm expecting to see Wiggins in Hornets teal next season. And we won't get draft compensation for taking him on.

Do you prefer Love at his age and with his injury history or an uptempo athletic freak like Wiggins?

I like that MJ wants to hunt for the playoffs.

[LofJ]

I'm expecting to see Wiggins in Hornets teal next season. And we won't get draft compensation for taking him on.

Do you prefer Love at his age and with his injury history or an uptempo athletic freak like Wiggins?

I like that MJ wants to hunt for the playoffs.

I prefer neither, but if I had to choose I'd go with Wiggins.

[gundysmullet]

Rozier about to average 25ppg then we trade him two years from now. Starting to like this move. Don’t like the third year is guaranteed, but the first two years literally do not matter

On 20 shots, shooting 29% and averaging less than three assists per game.

[gundysmullet]

I'm expecting to see Wiggins in Hornets teal next season. And we won't get draft compensation for taking him on.

Do you prefer Love at his age and with his injury history or an uptempo athletic freak like Wiggins?

I like that MJ wants to hunt for the playoffs.

Band-Aid on a severed artery. Some people honestly will never learn. Band-Aid on a severed artery. Some people honestly will never learn.

[Bassman]

I'm expecting to see Wiggins in Hornets teal next season. And we won't get draft compensation for taking him on.

Do you prefer Love at his age and with his injury history or an uptempo athletic freak like Wiggins?

I like that MJ wants to hunt for the playoffs.

Well now I really want us to deal Batum for Wiggins. Hell, if we’re taking on Rozier we might as well add Wiggins, who is a better gamble than most we could make. He is still a young player who showed a couple of years ago some major talent. It would certainly make for a team to watch;

Rozier - Graham
Wiggins - Bacon
Miles - ?
PJ - Marv
TBD (Cody or FA)

[Robot Rock]

Rozier about to average 25ppg then we trade him two years from now. Starting to like this move. Don’t like the third year is guaranteed, but the first two years literally do not matter

On 20 shots, shooting 29% and averaging less than three assists per game.

Lol. 29% of 20 shots doesn’t match 25 ppg.

[geraldwallace]

“Ill tell you as someone who has scouted a lot of gems in fantasy basketball, you have to look WITHIN his statline and this is itself isnt enough to scout a players game, to get a sense of his potential, look at the splits, a year ago, he's had 2 months, 24games , taking a high volume of 3s( 6-8) hitting them at a high 30s, low 40s%:https://www.espn.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/3074752/type/nba/year/2018/category/perGame

https://stats.nba.com/player/1626179/traditional/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=FG3A&dir=1

While it was a year ago, and he hasnt stayed consistent in less minutes off the bench, considering many players underachieved who also have high ceilings(tatum, brown, specifically who were lottery picks) , it's possible some of their development may not have been encouraged in the same way as last year given the lineup additions for kyrie and gordon as well as brad stevens having to coordinate it all and not necessarily putting players in the best position to succeed. Kind of like why serge ibaka had a career year putting him in a better position to succeed instead of taking 3s sinceh is bread and buttter game is in the pick and roll pop and as a finisher who can grab offensive rebounds and guard centers better than PFs.

If you only look at the general statline, you're going to miss out on context for th statistics. If you're also an NBA scout, you can look at video footage of the player playing, watch their movment on each possession off ball and on ball, zero in on their shooting mechanics, get a sense of what their problems are, how addressable they are, and get a better sense as to what they can do to regularily meet more consistency. This is what the raptors do, this is what masai ujiri did and even bryan colangelo and ive learned a lot from them as a person who's played very little organized basketball and never made an AAU team nor my highschool basketball team.

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to put into perspective of terry's statline, he's taken a higher volume of 3s, more than what pascal siakam did his entire breakout MIP year,and can hit corners, as well as above the break, he's more diverse as a shooter than you realize. when given more volume of shots and possessiosn to have his imprint, terry will be good. he was also a 15th pick i think, he's got a higher ceiling than people realize, he's already demonstrated some of it in 24 games on a good celtics team , I think you guys will warm up to him, by varying amount of time neeedd, majority of the board will be happy with terrry by 10 games into the season. By the end of the season, people will say terry is good but not worth his contract, thay may be true depending on if he doesnt grow his game, but I think there's reason to believe he will.“

[gundysmullet]

Rozier about to average 25ppg then we trade him two years from now. Starting to like this move. Don’t like the third year is guaranteed, but the first two years literally do not matter

On 20 shots, shooting 29% and averaging less than three assists per game.

Lol. 29% of 20 shots doesn’t match 25 ppg.

Your hyperbole meter needs to be recalibrated