Fake Trade Thread #3

MasterIchiro · Post #161 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:56 pm

I'm giving Westbrook his own thread...he's a HOF. Hornets are interested with "caveats".

What are the caveats?

Rich4114 · Post #162 » by **Rich4114** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:00 pm

That we aren't giving up any picks or young core assets and that this is more about making salaries work?

Post #163 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:02 pm

Have to think the caveats are the draft assets or prospects that need to be included.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #164 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:02 pm

I can see Houston finally trading Russ for cap relief if no team buckles and offers them the deal they want. I can't see them giving up an asset to get rid of him.

Rich4114 · Post #165 » by **Rich4114** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:06 pm

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:I can see Houston finally trading Russ for cap relief if no team buckles and offers them the deal they want. I can't see them giving up an asset to get rid of him.

Agreed. I also just saw a report that Russ and Harden want out of Houston because their owner is a Trump supporter apparently.

_tijo_ · Post #166 » by **_tijo_** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:10 pm

MJ might be one of the only Biden guys amongst owners! Come on down superstars!

MasterIchiro · Post #167 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:13 pm

My thinking is the Wiggins contract cost the Wolves a lotto pick to unload for D'Angelo Russell. So if the framework of the deal is Rozier for Westbrook, I kind of want a lottery pick attached to WB. Maybe pick 16 is not enough and maybe the Rockets have to liquidate more assets to make the deal work.

MasterIchiro · Post #168 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:23 pm

_tijo_ wrote:MJ might be one of the only Biden guys amongst owners! Come on down superstars!

I think Cuban voted Biden though.

Post #169 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:25 pm

If we keep our young guys and our picks and get Westbrook just for cap relief, not sure how I'd feel about that. Otherwise, no thanks.

MasterIchiro · Post #170 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:25 pm

How about this deal

Hornets trade Terry Rozier + Nic Batum for Westbrook + 16 + 21

Sixers trade Horford + 21 + Thybulle for Rozier + Tucker

Rockets trade Westbrook + Tucker + 16 for Horford + Batum expiring + Thybulle.

Braggins · Post #171 » by **Braggins** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:32 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:We need a stretch 5 if Westbrook is here. So I would want to trade Zeller + 16 for Turner. Draft Avdija at 3.

Devonte' / 32
Westbrook / Monk
Avdija / Miles
Washington / McDaniels
Turner / free agent

Horford is better than Turner and we could probably get an asset for taking his contract instead of giving up assets for Turner. If we are trading for Westbrook to go back to pointless 8th seed adventures then we might as well try to get the better player. Getting Desmond Bane with Philly's 1st this year could really help make Westbrook "work".

JMAC3 · Post #172 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:40 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:How about this deal

Hornets trade Terry Rozier + Nic Batum for Westbrook + 16 + 21

Sixers trade Horford + 21 + Thybulle for Rozier + Tucker

Rockets trade Westbrook + Tucker + 16 for Horford + Batum expiring + Thybulle.

I don't love this deal for anyone involved, but Rockets get the worst of it. Horford contract is almost as bad as Russ is and they have to give up a first and Tucker (probably worth a late late first).

MasterIchiro · Post #173 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:43 pm

Braggins wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:We need a stretch 5 if Westbrook is here. So I would want to trade Zeller + 16 for Turner. Draft Avdija at 3.

Devonte' / 32
Westbrook / Monk
Avdija / Miles
Washington / McDaniels
Turner / free agent

Horford is better than Turner and we could probably get an asset for taking his contract instead of giving up assets for Turner. If we are trading for Westbrook to go back to pointless 8th seed adventures then we might as well try to get the better player. Getting Desmond Bane with Philly's 1st this year could really help make Westbrook "work".

Okay how's this?

Hornets trade Rozier + Batum + Zeller for Westbrook + Horford + 16 + 21

Rockets trade Westbrook + 16 for Batum + Zeller (38.5 M future cap) + Thybulle

Sixers trade Horford + 21 + Thybulle for Rozier

https://tradenba.com/trades/mHAb4a3dQ

New lineup surrounds RW with 3 pt threats

Devonte'
Westbrook
Bridges
Washington
Horford

Bench

pick 32
Monk
Martin
McDaniels
Bane (21)
Jalen Smith (16)
+ Pick 3

Rays Pompadour · Post #174 » by **Rays Pompadour** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:47 pm

Are the Rockets most motivated to begin a rebuild with asset acquisition or to shed salary? Both, obviously, but which is the greater?

Braggins · Post #175 » by **Braggins** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:50 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
Braggins wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:We need a stretch 5 if Westbrook is here. So I would want to trade Zeller + 16 for Turner. Draft Avdija at 3.

Devonte' / 32
Westbrook / Monk
Avdija / Miles
Washington / McDaniels
Turner / free agent

Horford is better than Turner and we could probably get an asset for taking his contract instead of giving up assets for Turner. If we are trading for Westbrook to go back to pointless 8th seed adventures then we might as well try to get the better player. Getting Desmond Bane with Philly's 1st this year could really help make Westbrook "work".

Okay how's this?

Hornets trade Rozier + Batum + Zeller for Westbrook + Horford + 16 + 21

Rockets trade Westbrook + 16 for Batum + Zeller (38.5 M future cap) + Thybulle

Sixers trade Horford + 21 + Thybulle for Rozier

https://tradenba.com/trades/mHAb4a3dQ

New lineup surrounds RW with 3 pt threats

Devonte'
Westbrook
Bridges
Washington
Horford

Bench

pick 32
Monk
Martin
McDaniels
Bane (21)
Jalen Smith (16)
+ Pick 3

Something like that is probably the best case scenario if we go that route.

JMAC3 · Post #176 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:50 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
Braggins wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:We need a stretch 5 if Westbrook is here. So I would want to trade Zeller + 16 for Turner. Draft Avdija at 3.

Devonte' / 32
Westbrook / Monk
Avdija / Miles
Washington / McDaniels
Turner / free agent

Horford is better than Turner and we could probably get an asset for taking his contract instead of giving up assets for Turner. If we are trading for Westbrook to go back to pointless 8th seed adventures then we might as well try to get the better player. Getting Desmond Bane with Philly's 1st this year could really help make Westbrook "work".

Okay how's this?

Hornets trade Rozier + Batum + Zeller for Westbrook + Horford + 16 + 21

Rockets trade Westbrook + 16 for Batum + Zeller (38.5 M future cap) + Thybulle

Sixers trade Horford + 21 + Thybulle for Rozier

https://tradenba.com/trades/mHAb4a3dQ

New lineup surrounds RW with 3 pt threats

Devonte'
Westbrook
Bridges
Washington
Horford

Bench

pick 32
Monk
Martin
McDaniels
Bane (21)
Jalen Smith (16)
+ Pick 3

Holy god man, you sure you don't want to give Hornets extra firsts lol. No way do we get all that for Zeller, Batum and Rozier

Braggins · Post #177 » by **Braggins** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:55 pm

Westbrook's shooting splits in the last three playoffs - 40%/36%(49ts%) - 36%/32%(47ts%) - 42%/24%(46ts%)

I don't know if MJ can resist such a bad idea.

JMAC3 · Post #178 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:55 pm

I would say as of today probably 10% chance we trade for Westbrook.

I would entertain the idea of trading for Horford though, he would be a good big for PJ to learn from and also if we get LaMelo I like him as another pick and pop big.

Horford probably has negative trade value right now at 3/78 million moving forward.

Batum and 32 for Horford and 21 might not be bad.

MasterIchiro · Post #179 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:56 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
Braggins wrote:Horford is better than Turner and we could probably get an asset for taking his contract instead of giving up assets for Turner. If we are trading for Westbrook to go back to pointless 8th seed adventures then we might as well try to get the better player. Getting Desmond Bane with Philly's 1st this year could really help make Westbrook "work".

Okay how's this?

Hornets trade Rozier + Batum + Zeller for Westbrook + Horford + 16 + 21

Rockets trade Westbrook + 16 for Batum + Zeller (38.5 M future cap) + Thybulle

Sixers trade Horford + 21 + Thybulle for Rozier

https://tradenba.com/trades/mHAb4a3dQ

New lineup surrounds RW with 3 pt threats

Devonte'
Westbrook
Bridges
Washington
Horford

Bench

pick 32
Monk
Martin
McDaniels
Bane (21)
Jalen Smith (16)
+ Pick 3

Holy god man, you sure you don't want to give Hornets extra firsts lol. No way do we get all that for Zeller, Batum and Rozier

We're taking on two negative value contracts. Rozier fits with Simmons. Sixers get cap. Rockets get 38.5 M in expirings + a prospect Tybullle.

MasterIchiro · Post #180 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:00 pm

Braggins wrote:Westbrook's shooting splits in the last three playoffs - 40%/36%(49ts%) - 36%/32%(47ts%) - 42%/24%(46ts%)

I don't know if MJ can resist such a bad idea.

Other way to look at it is we make the playoffs the next 3 years with RW + Horford, stockpile picks (3 + 16 + 21 + 32) and keep all our young core together so we can sustain a playoff run beyond the 3 year window with the vets. Both play hard and will be a good influence. RW really needs to be surrounded by shooters and we do that here.

No free agents will sign here. And we get picks for that empty space.