The VJ Edgecombe thread

[Diop]

Let's live in the world that Hornets do select VJ #4. Then what? Are you proceeding with long-term vision of Melo-VJ-Brandon-Miles-Mark starting group?

Are you making any big trades or follow up moves post draft? What position or player archetype are you looking to trade for?

Is Josh Green still starting Day1? Or is he now the first guard off the bench? Do you resign Tre Mann?

What are you doing at Center for the foreseeable future? Resigning Mark to extension or looking to enter RFA after this year? Are you riding Nurkic out as 3rd center and letting him expire?

Flag was the only draft pick i saw starting from day 1, but thats generally always my opinion with rookies. you let them ease in.

i believe this front office will definitely want to trade. im sure they would love to offload Miles, they have already shown a willingness to trade Mark if need be.

personally, even if we're signing VJ, my first move is trying to organise a sign n trade for Q Grimes with Philly. They can't afford to keep him and we can give them something in return.

Philly is 30 million below the first tax apron, I don't know if I would agree they can't afford him. What are you offering Philly for him? We have no cap space to even sign him to an offer sheet.

i read they can only offer the MLE for him, was that wrong?
other teams can offer more (not us), im bad at the whole cap thing, so i have no idea how we would have to work it, but he is just my target as a someone we could get

[JMAC3]

Flag was the only draft pick i saw starting from day 1, but thats generally always my opinion with rookies. you let them ease in.

i believe this front office will definitely want to trade. im sure they would love to offload Miles, they have already shown a willingness to trade Mark if need be.

personally, even if we're signing VJ, my first move is trying to organise a sign n trade for Q Grimes with Philly. They can't afford to keep him and we can give them something in return.

Philly is 30 million below the first tax apron, I don't know if I would agree they can't afford him. What are you offering Philly for him? We have no cap space to even sign him to an offer sheet.

i read they can only offer the MLE for him, was that wrong?
other teams can offer more (not us), im bad at the whole cap thing, so i have no idea how we would have to work it, but he is just my target as a someone we could get

He is RFA so Philly can match any offer for him, so very likely they can offer him more than any other team. Philly also has 4 guys essentially under contract past this year, I would be very surprised if Grimes is not on Sixers next year.

[Diop]

Philly is 30 million below the first tax apron, I don't know if I would agree they can't afford him. What are you offering Philly for him? We have no cap space to even sign him to an offer sheet.

i read they can only offer the MLE for him, was that wrong?
other teams can offer more (not us), im bad at the whole cap thing, so i have no idea how we would have to work it, but he is just my target as a someone we could get

He is RFA so Philly can match any offer for him, so very likely they can offer him more than any other team. Philly also has 4 guys essentially under contract past this year, I would be very surprised if Grimes is not on Sixers next year.

well then, i take back my previous post. i will have to find another target to obsess over.

[JMAC3]

i read they can only offer the MLE for him, was that wrong?
other teams can offer more (not us), im bad at the whole cap thing, so i have no idea how we would have to work it, but he is just my target as a someone we could get

He is RFA so Philly can match any offer for him, so very likely they can offer him more than any other team. Philly also has 4 guys essentially under contract past this year, I would be very surprised if Grimes is not on Sixers next year.

well then, i take back my previous post. i will have to find another target to obsess over.

Yeah, well you are not alone. See plenty of posts talking about which FA would you rather sign if you are Hornets NAW or Naz Reid.... and I am like with what money? We basically have 5 million in cap space, or 14 million MLE (which half the league will have)... Outside of that you are basically looking at a sign and trade where we give a team a future first round pick and Nurkic.

So for instance with Reid, he has 15 million PO. I doubt he is opting out of that to sign for MLE in Charlotte. The best option would be giving him 25 million or whatever and hope Minny doesn't want to pay him that much and accepts Nurkic and a first for him.. even then I doubt Minny is interested in taking back dead weight in Nurkic.

or someone like NAW, yeah we can offer MLE but so will 8 other teams. Why would he pick Charlotte over a playoff team if the money is going to be the exact same?

[Diop]

He is RFA so Philly can match any offer for him, so very likely they can offer him more than any other team. Philly also has 4 guys essentially under contract past this year, I would be very surprised if Grimes is not on Sixers next year.

well then, i take back my previous post. i will have to find another target to obsess over.

Yeah, well you are not alone. See plenty of posts talking about which FA would you rather sign if you are Hornets NAW or Naz Reid.... and I am like with what money? We basically have 5 million in cap space, or 14 million MLE (which half the league will have)... Outside of that you are basically looking at a sign and trade where we give a team a future first round pick and Nurkic.

So for instance with Reid, he has 15 million PO. I doubt he is opting out of that to sign for MLE in Charlotte. The best option would be giving him 25 million or whatever and hope Minny doesn't want to pay him that much and accepts Nurkic and a first for him.. even then I doubt Minny is interested in taking back dead weight in Nurkic.

or someone like NAW, yeah we can offer MLE but so will 8 other teams. Why would he pick Charlotte over a playoff team if the money is going to be the exact same?

no wonder the front office has talked about going slow and happy to take on bad money for assets. they dont really have much choice.

[vorbis]

I'm having trouble seeing things from this player to put him on the same level as Ace Bailey and Tre Johnson. caveat being that I watch zero college basketball and only really dabble in these prospects in the weeks leading up to the draft.

[fatlever]

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[JMAC3]

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About what I expected, just really nothing here to get excited about, similar to his combine measurements. It is sufficient.

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do what?

[JDR720]

So... he's basically Castle 2.0?

[JDR720]

I feel like almost every player under like 6'6 wants to be a PG these days.

[JMAC3]

Buddy Hield was the point guard for Bahamas, not a great sign that you should be an NBA point guard.

[wilson115]

He's obviously the closest thing to Castle in this draft, maybe not as far along with the ballhandling but definitely the better shooter and athlete going in. Fears is like Dillingham without a 3-pt. shot, and Harper's someone who comes along less often.

[Bassman]

Yeah, some warts showing on VJ. Deeper dive into shooting shows the inconsistency and next-level challenges with slow release.

But wanting to be a ball distributor is a good thing. We need players who will move the ball, find the open man, etc. His defense is by all accounts strong. Is he really a more athletic but lesser skills version of Knipple? Makes me want to find any deep interviews/workout reports on Tre. We know he’s an elite shooter. What if he is motivated enough to assert himself on defense, and shows improved handle via hard work?

[Bassman]

Sam Vecenie via his annual draft guide on VJ:

SUMMARY: Edgecombe is one of the safest prospects in the draft. He’s an elite athlete functionally on the court, and his defense is genuinely tremendous. He is truly disruptive all over the court on the defensive end and makes opposing players’ lives miserable. Then on offense, Edgecombe is a shooter off the catch who started to show an ability to knock down shots from 3 off movement. He also knows how to cut and play off the ball well, as we’ve seen in a variety of situations. His mentality to do whatever helps the team most also projects well into his being a positive-value player who helps winning basketball teams throughout his career. Ultimately, his upside will be tied to whatever level you think he can reach on the ball. Do you buy into his work ethic enough to think he will become a player who can create advantages at the NBA level with his athleticism? Right now, there is a bit of a skill deficit when it comes to handling the ball and shooting pull-ups. He’s also not all that nuanced in ball screens. I’ve been using the comparison of Gary Harris if you attached a jet pack to him throughout the year for Edgecombe, and that’s still how I feel. That player is probably a top-40 player in the NBA at his ceiling, given that Harris without this level of athleticism had a three-year stretch in Denver in which he averaged 15 points, three rebounds and three assists on 47/39/80 shooting splits while getting All-Defense votes in two of those three years. I might be a touch lower than consensus on Edgecombe’s ceiling. Still, a top-40 player projection that I feel is relatively safe makes Edgecombe a top-five player in this class for me.

[JMAC3]

Pretty close to the point of just rooting for VJ to be the pick just to avoid making a comically bad pick at 4.

[Chapelchilla]

He fits what we need extremely well and should add some nasties to the backcourt.

[Liver_Pooty]

Sixers are all but going to take VJ per wiretap. Called this crap a month ago. Now watch him become a stud.

[JustBuzzin]

Sixers are all but going to take VJ per wiretap. Called this crap a month ago. Now watch him become a stud.

Good for us Ace is better.

This will be Scoot vs Miller all over again.

[Liver_Pooty]

Sixers are all but going to take VJ per wiretap. Called this crap a month ago. Now watch him become a stud.

Good for us Ace is better.

This will be Scoot vs Miller all over again.

How would it be Scoot vs Miller? I think a majority of people are perfectly fine with Ace if VJ is off the board. I’m actually fine with 3 or 4 other people.