Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

[bws94]

Lin has to figure out something. I'm not happy with Lin's facilitation this season. I've watched him long enough to know that at his best, in addition to dribble/drive making shots and scoring, Lin can be a dynamic facilitator that breaks the back of his opponents. I think it is his mindset. It's like Batum can facilitate so I'll just do it one way. Sometimes Lin limits himself and becomes predictable. It's like his scoring. Dribble/drive to the rim rather than use the assortment of short range jumpers, 3-ball (when it is falling which isn't much this season), middle-range angle banked shots (use more of those, Lin). This year, where are the lobs that he can throw a variety of ways, where is the getting into the paint and dishes, where is the pocket passes (does he ever make one anymore?), where are the kickouts (they are few and far between). But where is the approach that says Batum is one of the facilitators and I alternate with him or Kemba. I think Lin keeps himself in a corner sometimes. In the best games, Lin may start in the corner, but he's looking to make things happen assertively and moves well off-ball. Lin hasn't been varied or creative in his facilitation nor has he been particularly assertive enough for me.

Lin needs to step up his facilitation. He's way better at it than what he's shown. That being said, he may only be average at running an offense at PG and his facilitation, when good, masks that. Many Lin fans hate when I say this, but Lin as a player may be, he's a shorter Ginobili type and not quite as athletic or skilled as prime Ginobili. Manu may make HOF, Lin isn't that caliber of player.

[leeramundo]

Lin has to figure out something. I'm not happy with Lin's facilitation this season. I've watched him long enough to know that at his best, in addition to dribble/drive making shots and scoring, Lin can be a dynamic facilitator that breaks the back of his opponents. I think it is his mindset. It's like Batum can facilitate so I'll just do it one way. Sometimes Lin limits himself and becomes predictable. It's like his scoring. Dribble/drive to the rim rather than use the assortment of short range jumpers, 3-ball (when it is falling which isn't much this season), middle-range angle banked shots (use more of those, Lin). This year, where are the lobs that he can throw a variety of ways, where is the getting into the paint and dishes, where is the pocket passes (does he ever make one anymore?), where are the kickouts (they are few and far between). But where is the approach that says Batum is one of the facilitators and I alternate with him or Kemba. I think Lin keeps himself in a corner sometimes. In the best games, Lin may start in the corner, but he's looking to make things happen assertively and moves well off-ball. Lin hasn't been varied or creative in his facilitation nor has he been particularly assertive enough for me.

Lin needs to step up his facilitation. He's way better at it than what he's shown. That being said, he may only be average at running an offense at PG and his facilitation, when good, masks that. Many Lin fans hate when I say this, but Lin as a player may be, he's a shorter Ginobili type and not quite as athletic or skilled as prime Ginobili. Manu may make HOF, Lin isn't that caliber of player.

I agree, even though his role on this team isn't primarily as a true PG, but rather as a SG. I still see him get screens a good amount per game and rarely do I see him pass it off. On offense now he's either works at swinging the ball on the wings, dribble drives 1 on 1, use the screen to get a shot for himself, or catch and shoot. Granted we don't have the best finishing bigs in the league, not to mention often he only has Hawes to work with, there's still passes to be made that's he's just not making.

[Tracymcgoaty]

Lin has to figure out something. I'm not happy with Lin's facilitation this season. I've watched him long enough to know that at his best, in addition to dribble/drive making shots and scoring, Lin can be a dynamic facilitator that breaks the back of his opponents. I think it is his mindset. It's like Batum can facilitate so I'll just do it one way. Sometimes Lin limits himself and becomes predictable. It's like his scoring. Dribble/drive to the rim rather than use the assortment of short range jumpers, 3-ball (when it is falling which isn't much this season), middle-range angle banked shots (use more of those, Lin). This year, where are the lobs that he can throw a variety of ways, where is the getting into the paint and dishes, where is the pocket passes (does he ever make one anymore?), where are the kickouts (they are few and far between). But where is the approach that says Batum is one of the facilitators and I alternate with him or Kemba. I think Lin keeps himself in a corner sometimes. In the best games, Lin may start in the corner, but he's looking to make things happen assertively and moves well off-ball. Lin hasn't been varied or creative in his facilitation nor has he been particularly assertive enough for me.

Lin needs to step up his facilitation. He's way better at it than what he's shown. That being said, he may only be average at running an offense at PG and his facilitation, when good, masks that. Many Lin fans hate when I say this, but Lin as a player may be, he's a shorter Ginobili type and not quite as athletic or skilled as prime Ginobili. Manu may make HOF, Lin isn't that caliber of player.

I agree, even though his role on this team isn't primarily as a true PG, but rather as a SG. I still see him get screens a good amount per game and rarely do I see him pass it off. On offense now he's either works at swinging the ball on the wings, dribble drives 1 on 1, use the screen to get a shot for himself, or catch and shoot. Granted we don't have the best finishing bigs in the league, not to mention often he only has Hawes to work with, there's still passes to be made that's he's just not making.

Lin's facilitation is miles better than what he has shown so far. but what does he have to work with? hawes cant even make bunnies at the rim, kaminsky though he is a rookie i cringe when he misses easy layups. what else? lamb is a good scorer most of lins assist probably goes to passing him. and then you got batum playing with the bench unit which takes away Lins facilitation, Batum is the PG of this team not kemba or Lin in my opinon and thats not good.

[leeramundo]

Lin has to figure out something. I'm not happy with Lin's facilitation this season. I've watched him long enough to know that at his best, in addition to dribble/drive making shots and scoring, Lin can be a dynamic facilitator that breaks the back of his opponents. I think it is his mindset. It's like Batum can facilitate so I'll just do it one way. Sometimes Lin limits himself and becomes predictable. It's like his scoring. Dribble/drive to the rim rather than use the assortment of short range jumpers, 3-ball (when it is falling which isn't much this season), middle-range angle banked shots (use more of those, Lin). This year, where are the lobs that he can throw a variety of ways, where is the getting into the paint and dishes, where is the pocket passes (does he ever make one anymore?), where are the kickouts (they are few and far between). But where is the approach that says Batum is one of the facilitators and I alternate with him or Kemba. I think Lin keeps himself in a corner sometimes. In the best games, Lin may start in the corner, but he's looking to make things happen assertively and moves well off-ball. Lin hasn't been varied or creative in his facilitation nor has he been particularly assertive enough for me.

Lin needs to step up his facilitation. He's way better at it than what he's shown. That being said, he may only be average at running an offense at PG and his facilitation, when good, masks that. Many Lin fans hate when I say this, but Lin as a player may be, he's a shorter Ginobili type and not quite as athletic or skilled as prime Ginobili. Manu may make HOF, Lin isn't that caliber of player.

I agree, even though his role on this team isn't primarily as a true PG, but rather as a SG. I still see him get screens a good amount per game and rarely do I see him pass it off. On offense now he's either works at swinging the ball on the wings, dribble drives 1 on 1, use the screen to get a shot for himself, or catch and shoot. Granted we don't have the best finishing bigs in the league, not to mention often he only has Hawes to work with, there's still passes to be made that's he's just not making.

Lin's facilitation is miles better than what he has shown so far. but what does he have to work with? hawes cant even make bunnies at the rim, kaminsky though he is a rookie i cringe when he misses easy layups. what else? lamb is a good scorer most of lins assist probably goes to passing him. and then you got batum playing with the bench unit which takes away Lins facilitation, Batum is the PG of this team not kemba or Lin in my opinon and thats not good.

That is true and because of it we should see his assist numbers go down. That's fine. But what I'm saying is I've seen specific plays in which he would've made a pass to the rolling or popping big, or kick out to a 3 point shooter in the past but don't anymore. I know he is miles better than what he has shown, what I'm wondering is why he's not doing it anymore when the opportunity is there.

[13th Man]

Lin needs to take minimal 3 attempts, that's been killing his game. I don't understand how it can go from being very good in preseason to utter garbage, I thought he worked on it all summer. I also think the reason why he doesn't play a lot of pg is because the coach does not trust his handles. If he can improve on those 2 areas (handles, long range) he'd be a good solid player.

[bigbob]

Lin needs to take minimal 3 attempts, that's been killing his game. I don't understand how it can go from being very good in preseason to utter garbage, I thought he worked on it all summer. I also think the reason why he doesn't play a lot of pg is because the coach does not trust his handles. If he can improve on those 2 areas (handles, long range) he'd be a good solid player.

supposedly lin changed his shooting form recently which is a big reason for his recent shooting slump. Its not easy to change the form that you've played with since you first started to play basketball. Not sure if it was a smart move, or whether it will pay off down the road, but in the short term he has had a big drop off in his efficiency. Also playing with a bum ankle and not given proper time for it to heal also does not help things.

[bigbob]

I have to say as a lin fan, the way this team is playing I am extremely dissapointed. I like how hornets have shown lin alot of respect, something that I can say is a welcome change to the way he was treated in the past on the lakers and rockets. Unfortunately, talent wise, the hornets are 2nd to last on the list of worst teams hes ever been on. Lakers last year were worse, and that is honestly telling just how badly the lakers sucked and still continue to suck.

Lin is a competitor to the core, he's been on teams that have been to the post season half his nba career, its something he lives for, the competition, the prestige and glory. He's a highly skilled role player who after this season will probably have suitors among title contenders knocking on his door, especially if his asking price is reasonable. That being said, even though the situation on the hornets with playing time is awesome, I hope lin thinks REAL hard deciding if he wants to re sign here or not. Having his talent being wasted on a non contending team like the hornets is a shakespearean tragedy. Teams like the bulls, spurs, golden state warriors, mavs, rockets etc etc, were already interested in signing lin this past offseason. The reason he declined those teams offers was because his role on those teams would have been much smaller than on the hornets. But lin should definitely think about where he wants to go after this season. I think bulls or the thunder would be the best choices if the hornets don't pan out.

[PG13]

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Lin is a Hornet and contributes to the team's wins and losses. He should be using his "talent" to help his team win, and not trying to piggyback on a good teams as you suggested. I'm sure Lin is focusing on this season. Your negativity doesn't help.

[leeramundo]

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Lin is a Hornet and contributes to the team's wins and losses. He should be using his "talent" to help his team win, and not trying to piggyback on a good teams as you suggested. I'm sure Lin is focusing on this season. Your negativity doesn't help.

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[bigbob]

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Lin is a Hornet and contributes to the team's wins and losses. He should be using his "talent" to help his team win, and not trying to piggyback on a good teams as you suggested. I'm sure Lin is focusing on this season. Your negativity doesn't help.

you can put makeup on a pig and dress it all up, but a pig is still a pig in the end Lin ins't a God, he can't help the hornets, they have way too many problems to list: terrible defense, injury prone, tunnel vision facilitators, soft 7 footers who shoot 3's, etc etc. Basketball is a team sport, it takes everyone to make a functional team. It doesn't matter how good Lin is, if his team mates can't step up, there is only so much he can do. Lin is a pro, he will do his best to the final minute of the very last game, thats what I believe. But next season, unless the hornets drastically change, I don't see Lin sticking around.

[PG13]

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Lin is a Hornet and contributes to the team's wins and losses. He should be using his "talent" to help his team win, and not trying to piggyback on a good teams as you suggested. I'm sure Lin is focusing on this season. Your negativity doesn't help.

you can put makeup on a pig and dress it all up, but a pig is still a pig in the end Lin ins't a God, he can't help the hornets, they have way too many problems to list: terrible defense, injury prone, tunnel vision facilitators, soft 7 footers who shoot 3's, etc etc. Basketball is a team sport, it takes everyone to make a functional team. It doesn't matter how good Lin is, if his team mates can't step up, there is only so much he can do. Lin is a pro, he will do his best to the final minute of the very last game, thats what I believe. But next season, unless the hornets drastically change, I don't see Lin sticking around.

Guess what? Teams have choices too. Lin will have to play well this season in order for those teams that you coveted to want to sign him and give him a bigger role. It's not like Lin has been playing great and his teammates are weighing him down.

Not sure if you're a real Lin fan or just trying to make Lin fans look bad.

[TinmanZBoy]

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Lin is a Hornet and contributes to the team's wins and losses. He should be using his "talent" to help his team win, and not trying to piggyback on a good teams as you suggested. I'm sure Lin is focusing on this season. Your negativity doesn't help.

you can put makeup on a pig and dress it all up, but a pig is still a pig in the end Lin ins't a God, he can't help the hornets, they have way too many problems to list: terrible defense, injury prone, tunnel vision facilitators, soft 7 footers who shoot 3's, etc etc. Basketball is a team sport, it takes everyone to make a functional team. It doesn't matter how good Lin is, if his team mates can't step up, there is only so much he can do. Lin is a pro, he will do his best to the final minute of the very last game, thats what I believe. But next season, unless the hornets drastically change, I don't see Lin sticking around.

your mentality really fits jlinportal.com...

[bigbob]

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Lin is a Hornet and contributes to the team's wins and losses. He should be using his "talent" to help his team win, and not trying to piggyback on a good teams as you suggested. I'm sure Lin is focusing on this season. Your negativity doesn't help.

you can put makeup on a pig and dress it all up, but a pig is still a pig in the end Lin ins't a God, he can't help the hornets, they have way too many problems to list: terrible defense, injury prone, tunnel vision facilitators, soft 7 footers who shoot 3's, etc etc. Basketball is a team sport, it takes everyone to make a functional team. It doesn't matter how good Lin is, if his team mates can't step up, there is only so much he can do. Lin is a pro, he will do his best to the final minute of the very last game, thats what I believe. But next season, unless the hornets drastically change, I don't see Lin sticking around.

your mentality really fits jlinportal.com...

lol, im a member over there, not a regular poster compared to some others though. Don't have extreme views like alot of those guys either. I don't think lin would be able to run a team as a starting pg and lead the team to a playoff spot. The guys over there think lin could go to the 76ers next season and turn them into a championship contender

My expectation and thoughts on lin are much more moderate, and based on reality. As a backup PG, he is elite, possibly one of the best in the NBA. He is good enough to be a starting PG for most NBA teams, which is the reason that him being a backup PG on the hornets is over kill. Is that a delusional thought? No, its the truth, even hardcore hornets fans will admit the same thing. Having a backup PG who is almost as good as your starting PG is of course a messed up situation to be in. If lin is to be a backup PG, would it not make sense that he backsup somebody who is truly on another level?

[tonman]

you can put makeup on a pig and dress it all up, but a pig is still a pig in the end Lin ins't a God, he can't help the hornets, they have way too many problems to list: terrible defense, injury prone, tunnel vision facilitators, soft 7 footers who shoot 3's, etc etc. Basketball is a team sport, it takes everyone to make a functional team. It doesn't matter how good Lin is, if his team mates can't step up, there is only so much he can do. Lin is a pro, he will do his best to the final minute of the very last game, thats what I believe. But next season, unless the hornets drastically change, I don't see Lin sticking around.

your mentality really fits jlinportal.com...

lol, im a member over there, not a regular poster compared to some others though. Don't have extreme views like alot of those guys either. I don't think lin would be able to run a team as a starting pg and lead the team to a playoff spot. The guys over there think lin could go to the 76ers next season and turn them into a championship contender

My expectation and thoughts on lin are much more moderate, and based on reality. As a backup PG, he is elite, possibly one of the best in the NBA. He is good enough to be a starting PG for most NBA teams, which is the reason that him being a backup PG on the hornets is over kill. Is that a delusional thought? No, its the truth, even hardcore hornets fans will admit the same thing. Having a backup PG who is almost as good as your starting PG is of course a messed up situation to be in. If lin is to be a backup PG, would it not make sense that he backsup somebody who is truly on another level?

If he backed up someone great than how many minutes is he going to play at point?

[bigbob]

your mentality really fits jlinportal.com...

lol, im a member over there, not a regular poster compared to some others though. Don't have extreme views like alot of those guys either. I don't think lin would be able to run a team as a starting pg and lead the team to a playoff spot. The guys over there think lin could go to the 76ers next season and turn them into a championship contender

My expectation and thoughts on lin are much more moderate, and based on reality. As a backup PG, he is elite, possibly one of the best in the NBA. He is good enough to be a starting PG for most NBA teams, which is the reason that him being a backup PG on the hornets is over kill. Is that a delusional thought? No, its the truth, even hardcore hornets fans will admit the same thing. Having a backup PG who is almost as good as your starting PG is of course a messed up situation to be in. If lin is to be a backup PG, would it not make sense that he backsup somebody who is truly on another level?

If he backed up someone great than how many minutes is he going to play at point?

yep, lin is stuck in nomans land, between a rock and a hard place. Either way, if lin did go to a NEAR contender like the OKC thunder or the clippers, Lin would probably push them over the edge into being true title contenders. The downside being that he would get less minutes, mostly relieving the main starter for possibly 12-15 mins a game and when injuries mount up.

Still, even on the hornets, nobody really knows except the coach, what kind of minutes Lin is going to get once MKG comes back. It could very well be, lin back to playing under 20 mins a game with mkg taking over the spot once again. If thats the case then it doesn't matter where lin signs as a backup next season.

[TinmanZBoy]

lol, im a member over there, not a regular poster compared to some others though. Don't have extreme views like alot of those guys either. I don't think lin would be able to run a team as a starting pg and lead the team to a playoff spot. The guys over there think lin could go to the 76ers next season and turn them into a championship contender

My expectation and thoughts on lin are much more moderate, and based on reality. As a backup PG, he is elite, possibly one of the best in the NBA. He is good enough to be a starting PG for most NBA teams, which is the reason that him being a backup PG on the hornets is over kill. Is that a delusional thought? No, its the truth, even hardcore hornets fans will admit the same thing. Having a backup PG who is almost as good as your starting PG is of course a messed up situation to be in. If lin is to be a backup PG, would it not make sense that he backsup somebody who is truly on another level?

If he backed up someone great than how many minutes is he going to play at point?

yep, lin is stuck in nomans land, between a rock and a hard place. Either way, if lin did go to a NEAR contender like the OKC thunder or the clippers, Lin would probably push them over the edge into being true title contenders. The downside being that he would get less minutes, mostly relieving the main starter for possibly 12-15 mins a game and when injuries mount up.

Still, even on the hornets, nobody really knows except the coach, what kind of minutes Lin is going to get once MKG comes back. It could very well be, lin back to playing under 20 mins a game with mkg taking over the spot once again. If thats the case then it doesn't matter where lin signs as a backup next season.

if he only plays 12-15 minutes/game, I am pretty sure it would not be him who push them over the edge...

[phillycheese]

The game plan is for him to sit in the corner and for Kemba and Batum to facilitate. Pretty much a given that Cliff wants him to concentrate on his defense as that is what the team needs (according to coach's strategy). If Lin comes off plan and starts straying from the corner, then his man is able to disrupt the offense since that is not according to plan.

At the beginning of the season I thought the Hornets wanted to be a run and gun team, but they don't have the personnel for that. So now it has become a half court 4 and 1 Orlando (Dwight style) offense. No real roll guys to play pick and roll with, it's just pick and pop. Hornets had a lot of clean looks from 3 this game, just could not convert.

[bws94]

The game plan is for him to sit in the corner and for Kemba and Batum to facilitate. Pretty much a given that Cliff wants him to concentrate on his defense as that is what the team needs (according to coach's strategy). If Lin comes off plan and starts straying from the corner, then his man is able to disrupt the offense since that is not according to plan.

At the beginning of the season I thought the Hornets wanted to be a run and gun team, but they don't have the personnel for that. So now it has become a half court 4 and 1 Orlando (Dwight style) offense. No real roll guys to play pick and roll with, it's just pick and pop. Hornets had a lot of clean looks from 3 this game, just could not convert.

The game plan is for Lin to stretch the floor at times, go out and facilitate and break defenses down at times. It isn't to just sit in the corner and play D. Cliff has said numerous times he wants 3 facilitators on the court, Lin is one of them. The team is still working out the balance. A few times Lin cut and Batum found him, that's one of the ways Lin can get easy 2s and be effective. Even if he doesn't score he draws fouls, gets to the line, helps get an opposing team into the penalty. Lin's job is to bring energy, break down defenses with his penetration, draw fouls, be another offensive facilitating threat on the floor as well as do the things defensively he can do. He serves a big role on the team.

[bigbob]

If he backed up someone great than how many minutes is he going to play at point?

yep, lin is stuck in nomans land, between a rock and a hard place. Either way, if lin did go to a NEAR contender like the OKC thunder or the clippers, Lin would probably push them over the edge into being true title contenders. The downside being that he would get less minutes, mostly relieving the main starter for possibly 12-15 mins a game and when injuries mount up.

Still, even on the hornets, nobody really knows except the coach, what kind of minutes Lin is going to get once MKG comes back. It could very well be, lin back to playing under 20 mins a game with mkg taking over the spot once again. If thats the case then it doesn't matter where lin signs as a backup next season.

if he only plays 12-15 minutes/game, I am pretty sure it would not be him who push them over the edge...

he would provide rest to the main pg of the team while at the same time the offense wouldn't drop off significantly. Also if the main star has an injury, lin would be able to cover reasonably well without there being a big drop off in the teams performance.

[fatlever]

Oh great, another argument about wanting Lin to go to another team. 6 teams in 7 years. Yay.

The #1 thing Lin can continue to do to help this team win is to keep playing defense at a high level. We are losing games on defense, not offense. Lin is one of the better defenders on the team.