2020 Pre-Draft Discussion

James Gatz · Post #1701 » by **James Gatz** » Mon Nov 9, 2020 4:49 pm

If we trade up for Wiseman I'm going to be so sad. It just reeks of people being like "classic hornets use assets to get a plodding big in 2020."

If we take him, I think it's a mistake, but if we give up a future 1st I'm going to be furious. I realize no one on this board would do that, but no one on this board is MJ.

LofJ · Post #1702 » by **LofJ** » Mon Nov 9, 2020 6:00 pm

James Gatz wrote:If we trade up for Wiseman I'm going to be so sad. It just reeks of people being like "classic hornets use assets to get a plodding big in 2020."

If we take him, I think it's a mistake, but if we give up a future 1st I'm going to be furious. I realize no one on this board would do that, but no one on this board is MJ.

The gap between the 1st and the 3rd pick is practically nothing this year. It would be ludicrous to give up a future 1st round pick to move up (and I'm one of the folks who wants Wiseman).

Post #1703 » by **BigSlam** » Mon Nov 9, 2020 6:08 pm

James Gatz wrote:If we trade up for Wiseman I'm going to be so sad. It just reeks of people being like "classic hornets use assets to get a plodding big in 2020."

If we take him, I think it's a mistake, but if we give up a future 1st I'm going to be furious. I realize no one on this board would do that, but no one on this board is MJ.

I agree - between Wiseman, Edwards, Onkongwu and Haliburton I feel there are so many viable options at #3 without having to do anything.

That said, my level of sadness related to a trade up to ensure we get the guy we want will be contingent on what it is we give up in the trade.

For example:
We give up a future 1st I'll lose my mind.
If we give up a young asset like Monk or Bridges I'll be sad.
If we gave up a moveable asset like Bacon or Bats or Cody Z or Billy etc I'll be cool with that.
If we give up a minimal asset like #32 I'd run to make the trade.

CuseMayne · Post #1704 » by **CuseMayne** » Mon Nov 9, 2020 6:11 pm

Very likely a smokescreen, but if this supposed "LaMelo Ball going first overall has become assumption of most NBA teams" article is indeed what ends up happening on draft night, we simply take whoever's left of WIseman or Edwards and be stoked about it. Pretty hard to mess up.

CuseMayne · Post #1705 » by **CuseMayne** » Mon Nov 9, 2020 6:13 pm

Personally, I value #32 way more than a player like Bacon or Billy. Kupchak has been really impressive with his 2nd round picks so far.

amcoolio · Post #1706 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Nov 9, 2020 6:24 pm

This draft is very deep. There will be a good player at 32.

I'm not giving up hope on Bacon but Cody Martin is just flat out better at this point.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #1707 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Mon Nov 9, 2020 6:35 pm

I've given up on Bacon.

DY_nasty · Post #1708 » by **DY_nasty** » Mon Nov 9, 2020 6:51 pm

I've completely given up on Bacon

James Gatz · Post #1709 » by **James Gatz** » Mon Nov 9, 2020 9:05 pm

I'm out on Bacon as well. I don't think we resign him or even offer a QO.

I really hope we keep 32. I think there are rotation guys available at that point. I'm very low on Bridges but I wouldn't even want to give up on him. Monk I'd be fine moving.

I really do believe Ball will be gone at 1 or 2. He has too much upside for a team to not make the move for him. OKC being interested raises an eyebrow for me. It's too bad he doesn't fit next to a guy like Shai.

Post #1710 » by **BigSlam** » Mon Nov 9, 2020 10:23 pm

I was never in on Bacon.

_tijo_ · Post #1711 » by **_tijo_** » Mon Nov 9, 2020 10:48 pm

Bacon is overrated. There are some people that think Bacon is better than Lamb.

I think we stay at 3, and take whoever is left of Wiseman and Edwards. Minnesota takes Ball or someone trades up for him.

Rays Pompadour · Post #1712 » by **Rays Pompadour** » Mon Nov 9, 2020 10:58 pm

Bacon never seemed to take his opponent to the hole. His entire mentality was mid-range. And when his shot deserted him, he didn't adjust with his natural strength and athleticism. That and Bacon decided he'd made it. Big mistake and it set him back. If he's been working during COVID, he still has a role to play. If he thinks he can just get by...well, there's always the G-league or Asia.

I'm hopeful of Charlotte's #32. A really good player will be available in that slot.

Dominator83 · Post #1713 » by **Dominator83** » Mon Nov 9, 2020 11:04 pm

Rays Pompadour wrote:The latest has GS going with Edwards at #2 if he's there, which assumes Wiseman goes #1. If this is how it shakes out (which is doubtful given that both GS and Minny want to trade down), then Charlotte is left to make a deal with someone wanting Ball or just go ahead and draft.

Consider these recent reports: Minny and GS both professing a desire to trade down; Boston and Detroit expressing a desire to trade up; GS will draft Edwards #2 if he's there; Ball's interviews are terrible and he's dropping down draft boards; Wiseman doesn't want Minny to draft him - doesn't see a fit next to KAT; Charlotte targeting a big man at #3 and may trade up to #1 to get Wiseman, but also really likes Okongwu.

I like Charlotte's leverage here for whatever they want to do. If they do trade up, it'll be for a less-than-#1 package. But the best scenario for them may be for Minny and GS to stay in their slot and draft. That, in my opinion, maximizes Charlotte's trade position. If the Hornets choose to draft (which I predict they'll do), any of Okongwu, Ball or Avdija would be a value pick at #3. Chicago's trade position would then go through the roof, especially with Ball potentially on the board. If I were the Bulls, I'd stay as silent as the grave until their turn to pick.

Bulls fan here. If Ball is still there at #4, im calling Detroit gunning for their 2021 1st. I'd accept light protections, but then in that case that it doesn't convey 2022 must be unprotected

HornetJail · Post #1714 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:24 am

Dominater wrote:
Rays Pompadour wrote:The latest has GS going with Edwards at #2 if he's there, which assumes Wiseman goes #1. If this is how it shakes out (which is doubtful given that both GS and Minny want to trade down), then Charlotte is left to make a deal with someone wanting Ball or just go ahead and draft.

Consider these recent reports: Minny and GS both professing a desire to trade down; Boston and Detroit expressing a desire to trade up; GS will draft Edwards #2 if he's there; Ball's interviews are terrible and he's dropping down draft boards; Wiseman doesn't want Minny to draft him - doesn't see a fit next to KAT; Charlotte targeting a big man at #3 and may trade up to #1 to get Wiseman, but also really likes Okongwu.

I like Charlotte's leverage here for whatever they want to do. If they do trade up, it'll be for a less-than-#1 package. But the best scenario for them may be for Minny and GS to stay in their slot and draft. That, in my opinion, maximizes Charlotte's trade position. If the Hornets choose to draft (which I predict they'll do), any of Okongwu, Ball or Avdija would be a value pick at #3. Chicago's trade position would then go through the roof, especially with Ball potentially on the board. If I were the Bulls, I'd stay as silent as the grave until their turn to pick.

Bulls fan here. If Ball is still there at #4, im calling Detroit gunning for their 2021 1st. I'd accept light protections, but then in that case that it doesn't convey 2022 must be unprotected

I don't think we're going to be seeing any rebuilding teams trading picks with protection less than top 5 protection in the next 2-3 drafts, to get anybody in this draft. My understanding is next year's class will have multiple guys that would be consensus #1 in this draft, and then the following or the one after might be when high school kids are allowed back in and it'll be like having 1.5x the talent

HornetJail · Post #1715 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:27 am

I'm surprised anybody here is still talking about Bacon. Isn't it a foregone conclusion we're letting him walk without a qualifying offer this summer?

Post #1716 » by **Diop** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:59 am

yeah i want pick 32, i hope Jordan Nwora slips down to there

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #1717 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:07 am

Personal made up rumor: Hornets are trading Bacon and 32 for 17.

James Gatz · Post #1718 » by **James Gatz** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:12 am

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:Personal made up rumor: Hornets are trading Bacon and 32 for 17.

I'm all in but isn't Bacon a free agent?

driveandkick · Post #1719 » by **driveandkick** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:18 am

If there really is a buyers market in the 15-22 range I have no idea why we wouldn’t for sure be in on that.

JMAC3 · Post #1720 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:04 am

driveandkick wrote:If there really is a buyers market in the 15-22 range I have no idea why we wouldn’t for sure be in on that.

Not sure I do these deals but here are a couple realistic offers I found to get us additional firsts. Also I’m not saying we should do all these deals, that is unrealistic.

Hornets trade Bridges to Boston for Kanter and 14.

Hornets trade Rozier to Orlando for Aminu and 15.

Hornets trade Zeller to Minnesota for James Johnson and 17.

Did not really think we had anything to trade to get a second top 10 pick, without trading down.