Fake Trade Thread #5

[JustBuzzin]

We need a HC.

Trades are cool, but the main issue is coaching.

[NCHeels2008]

Am I crazy for thinking DLo wouldn't be a bad flyer if everyone's going to have his value this low? LaMelo is injury plagued and with Rozier gone all the other rotation players have length and size to help compensate on D.

[NCHeels2008]

Checking in with the "dump everybody" crowd after this 43-piece from PJ Washington.

Bud just got another first rounder with this performance!

In all seriousness though, PJ is not at the top of the list of players I want to dump. He hasnt been able to grow in a specific role this season thanks to injury unpredictability.

Miles should've never been welcomed back and he would've been a steady starter

[Diop]

Checking in with the "dump everybody" crowd after this 43-piece from PJ Washington.

I’m a listen to every offer crowd.

The only person I really want traded is Hayward to get some value before he walks.

I’d prefer trading miles if a decent offer happens as I don’t trust his iq to be a good player long term.

Pj is talented, but a poor rebounder and inconsistent. He’d be ideal next to a crash type player to do some of the heavy lifting

[Bassman]

I value PJ and Nick for what they are…solid reserves whose contracts are relatively good. Richards value ratio for his age and $ is strong. I am very reluctant to trade him.

PJ has many aimless nights…then explodes with scoring, or hot shooting, or even rebounds, and makes you wonder where that’s been hiding. Will he ever find his happy place and become consistently good? That’s the tease and the question. With good coaching and a fit scheme, that’s possible. His contract is not bad. Dealing him for a good player who fits better is all I’d consider verses a crappy pick and an expiring.

[MPM]

Dealing him for a good player who fits better is all I’d consider verses a crappy pick and an expiring.

This. Never been a big fan, but he's a solid depth piece that provides some punch and versatility off the bench on an OK contract. He's not the first, second, or third problem that needs addressing but no one's crying if he's flipped in a deal for a better player. However, crappy pick and expiring would bring a tear.

[JustBuzzin]

Nick is pretty much untouchable at this point. Not sure if Mark will even play again this season. It's best we keep him until Mark shows he can stay healthy.

[amcoolio]

Checking in with the "dump everybody" crowd after this 43-piece from PJ Washington.

what is with this boards obsession of “we MUST keep” average to below average nba players on this 10-33 team? like christ. how many times are you gonna let PJ trick you? he’s bad. he would barely play on teams like the lakers knicks or celtics.

we have got to get away from this losing mindset people. PJ ain’t helping us win games now or 3 years from now.

**** 43 piece in another bad loss. like what the **** we were down by 36. good job PJ! yay PJ! i’m super proud! just bananas

[JMAC3]

This is going to be a straight up rant but I feel like it needs to be said. We are awful, but the way to improve the team isn't by giving away our talent for bad picks. We traded Terry and we got a first, that was a fine trade that should help us in the longrun and it accomplished adding cap space, touches for Miller and of course the pick.

but some of the trades I see fans on twitter saying they would do for our players are wild.
Examples: Miles for 2nds and matching salary
Nick for 2 cruddy suns 2nds 4+ years away.
PJ for a bunch of garbo.

If we want to rebuild then you have to get better assets than this or you are going backwards. The Magic traded Vucevic for Wendell Carter and 2 firsts. They traded Aaron Gordon for 2 firsts and Gary Harris. They didn't become good by giving away their players. Same with OKC, they trade Westbrook, PG, CP3, Ibaka all for first round picks.

If we trade our only real NBA players outside of Miller, Melo and Mark it will take probably 2-3 years just to reach where we are now. 2 round picks are really not getting you quality NBA players.

Here is a list of trades last year deadline.
Mike Muscala traded for 2 2nds
Saddiq Bey traded for 3 2nds
Josh Richardson traded for 4 2nds and Devonte Graham
Jae Crowder 3 2nds
Gary Payton for Wiseman and 2nds

I would say there is a good argument that all Miles, PJ and Nick are better then these players.

[amcoolio]

This is going to be a straight up rant but I feel like it needs to be said. We are awful, but the way to improve the team isn't by giving away our talent for bad picks. We traded Terry and we got a first, that was a fine trade that should help us in the longrun and it accomplished adding cap space, touches for Miller and of course the pick.

but some of the trades I see fans on twitter saying they would do for our players are wild.
Examples: Miles for 2nds and matching salary
Nick for 2 cruddy suns 2nds 4+ years away.
PJ for a bunch of garbo.

If we want to rebuild then you have to get better assets than this or you are going backwards. The Magic traded Vucevic for Wendell Carter and 2 firsts. They traded Aaron Gordon for 2 firsts and Gary Harris. They didn't become good by giving away their players. Same with OKC, they trade Westbrook, PG, CP3, Ibaka all for first round picks.

If we trade our only real NBA players outside of Miller, Melo and Mark it will take probably 2-3 years just to reach where we are now. 2 round picks are really not getting you quality NBA players.

Here is a list of trades last year deadline.
Mike Muscala traded for 2 2nds
Saddiq Bey traded for 3 2nds
Josh Richardson traded for 4 2nds and Devonte Graham
Jae Crowder 3 2nds
Gary Payton for Wiseman and 2nds

I would say there is a good argument that all Miles, PJ and Nick are better then these players.

The goal after we saw how horrible our team was after we fired Borrego should have been to take bad contracts for 1st round picks

Miles torpedoed his trade value. He could have gotten 2-3 firsts had the incident not happened.

PJ has declined in value ever since his rookie year. His only value now is as tradable contract or sweetener for a Lavine deal in place for a first round pick, for example

I agree it makes no sense to trade Richards for 2nd round picks. Never said that. He's fine as an 8th-9th man.

PJ... I'd honestly rather have the cap space to take Wiggins back from GSW for a future lightly protected first for example. PJ starts the whole year...injured the whole year...it doesn't matter, we have the same record with or without him. And I'm highly dubious that if we are a play in team in 2 years, he is contributing to that team either.

[JDR720]

If you think PJ is bad, Wiggins getting paid 20+ million to not care isn't the answer.

[amcoolio]

we are going to be bad the next few years. that’s just the way it’s gonna be. we, with the wizards and pistons, are just so far away from competing from a playoff spot. not injuries, not new coaching staff… nothing is going got change that, and we have to accept it. we might as well collect future unprotected picks if we can. wiggins is just a contract now, like ben simmons.

if GSW is willing to give up a future unprotected pick when Curry is no longer playing just to save 200m and try to compete now, by giving us Wiggins for PJ, you have to do it.

we don’t have the player like Sabonis to trade or Paul George to jumpstart this hell we are in and compete next year. we just have no assets beyond all our unprotected picks, which we just can’t part with because we are so bad

[JDR720]

I'm not saying to not trade him, but I doubt he's worth more than or equal to what Terry got.

The Heat traded for Terry to give their offense a boost and enhance their title aspirations. He's their #3/#4 scorer depending on the game.

PJ wouldn't be that. He's a rotational guy to plug into a hole.

[yosemiteben]

I'm on board with the general philosophy of not trading true rotation players for any pick not guaranteed to be a 1st unless we are also getting a better fitting piece in return.

[Liver_Pooty]

I'm completely against trading young solid role players in general. Especially if they're on a solid contract. That's just not smart.

[Diop]

I wouldn’t be surprised if no more deals happen, Hayward needs to get on the court first

[amcoolio]

I don't think PJ is a young solid role player. I think he puts up mediocre, 45/36/70% offensive stats with pretty bad defense and little rebounding on a very bad team that is dying for any sort of production from him. Again don't think he plays for a contender, he'd be a weak link on all contenders right now

[Rich4114]

While I agree we should not trade the few rotational players we have for Pennie’s on the dollar (the Miles trades I’ve seen are ridiculous) there are some players that shouldn’t actually be rotational players playing big mins on this team. That includes Nick Richards for me. He’s always out of position, slow and clogging the paint. It’s nice that he can give you the rim running dunks or put backs but he is definitely low IQ and in the way. I like him as a solid third C option.

Anyway, the assets we have are cap space and expirings. We have the ability to take on unfavorable contracts if they come with young players or first round picks. We can also just keep those contracts and be a player in free agency this summer.

One thing I can’t believe isn’t talked about though is the fact that we’re probably looking at another top 5 lottery pick. As is the case with most drafts, it wasn’t looking good in October but as we make it through into Feb and March madness, I bet that changes. It’s already started to. Brandon Miller wasn’t a thought for top 3 pick this time a year ago.

We have some talent on this team, but it’s too young to carry the whole thing and it surely cannot happen with someone like Clifford as your head coach who simply doesn’t know modern offense or how to work with the zoomer generation of players. What he values on the court doesn’t translate to competitive basketball. Which was setup perfectly by Mitch and MJ being cheap and lazy.

Anyway as dumb as this sounds, we have to be patient. If we can collect another frp for either Lowry or Hayward then obviously you do it. Same for young prospects. But we can be competitive as soon as next season with the right moves. Especially if we find an opportunity to package future assets up for the next star to become available.

But it won’t happen without a GM who understands roster construction and a coach who knows how to get the most out of both ends of the court.

[NCHeels2008]

I think PJ would be a 4th or 5th starter on a contender. It has to be depressing playing on this team year after year with its dysfunctional FO and a headcase teammate that the team elevates over him. I think if he was in Denver in place of AG or MPJ people would see how good he is, same as if he was on a Boston or Milwaukee in that 4th/5th starter role.

[JMAC3]

we are going to be bad the next few years. that’s just the way it’s gonna be. we, with the wizards and pistons, are just so far away from competing from a playoff spot. not injuries, not new coaching staff… nothing is going got change that, and we have to accept it. we might as well collect future unprotected picks if we can. wiggins is just a contract now, like ben simmons.

if GSW is willing to give up a future unprotected pick when Curry is no longer playing just to save 200m and try to compete now, by giving us Wiggins for PJ, you have to do it.

we don’t have the player like Sabonis to trade or Paul George to jumpstart this hell we are in and compete next year. we just have no assets beyond all our unprotected picks, which we just can’t part with because we are so bad

You pretty much have to trade LaMelo if you plan on being bad 2-3 more years. He isn't going to watch the team lose for that long and be happy. So if you are cool basically just committing to nobody on the roster except Miller then we can go youre route of a tear down, but Im avoiding that.

Especially with cap space and now we have an extra first we can add in speculative trades moving forward.