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JMAC3 · Post #1741 » by **JMAC3** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 5:49 am

Franz is a good player, but pretty easy decision for me to take Cade over him right now.

Would take Barnes and Mobley over him. Jalen Green I would probably take over him in the long run right now as well.

Still like Wagner, just don't think his ceiling is crazy high.

Benjamin Linus · Post #1742 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 11:07 am

The 2021 draft is starting to look kinda mediocre. Everyone always craps on the 2020 draft and talks up 2021 but I think they're a lot closer than people think. Maybe it's just comparing 3rd year players to 2nd year players but I think you could make the case of taking Edwards, Ball, Haliburton, Bane, and Maxey over anyone in 2021 outside of Mobley

JMAC3 · Post #1743 » by **JMAC3** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 3:42 pm

Benjamin Linus wrote:The 2021 draft is starting to look kinda mediocre. Everyone always craps on the 2020 draft and talks up 2021 but I think they're a lot closer than people think. Maybe it's just comparing 3rd year players to 2nd year players but I think you could make the case of taking Edwards, Ball, Haliburton, Bane, and Maxey over anyone in 2021 outside of Mobley

Yeah I think time makes a pretty big difference especially for mid to late firsts, we are probably due for a couple of random guys in 2021 class to show up in that range as the season goes on.

I probably will eat crow on this, but I still think Haliburton is super overrated.

He is a good shooter, high iq player so yeah I think most organizations would love to have him. However, he is pretty much a one trick pony that just needs to run high pick and roll 45 times a game. Similar to Josh Giddey, who when Shai is out and OKC gives him the keyes is pretty much also a triple double threat due to usage and built in advantages by scheme.

Neither player can get to the free throw line, assists are cool but neither in my opinion have the one on one handle to break defenses down in an iso situation.

UNCNYC · Post #1744 » by **UNCNYC** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 10:24 pm

Good to see my boy Killian Hayes starting to turn the corner.

UNCNYC · Post #1745 » by **UNCNYC** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 10:46 pm

My Uncle told me your guy from Detroit that I was telling him about was playing well. I immediately thought Cade lol.

Killian was my pick but then he became popular and I opted for Tyrell Terry. I dunno why I always been like that. In everything I do if anyone else does it I go the opposite way.

This year I like Anthony Black but he is popular so now I I am looking for Antonio Gray lol. I remember my best friend used to LOVE the TAR HEELS. when I found out I convinced him that UNC was terrbul *in my barkley voice* and now he's a UK fan lol. I didn't want to be a UNC fan with him I wanted my own team.

Now I hope Jason Preston can break free. I think he has some potential. Starting to get run.

Braggins · Post #1746 » by **Braggins** » Sat Dec 3, 2022 1:39 pm

The top 5 players from the 2020 draft are really good, but its not good at all after that. Guys like Okongwu and Jalen Smith are the type of players in discussion for 6th and theres a ton of duds after that. Bane is also like 3-4 years older than the top guys from 2021.

If you did a redraft of 2020 and 2021 combined, I think LaMelo, Hali, Ant, Maxey, and Bane, are probably the only players from 2020 that go in the lottery. I think Evan Mobley would hands down go #1 and then Haliburton #2. LaMelo, Barnes, Ant, and Franz, would probably be the guys in discussion for 3-6. Before this season I probably would have put Barnes 2nd/3rd, but hard to now while hes in a slump and I'm not really sure where I'd rank him. I kind of have LaMelo (and Ant) behind Franz right now, but its probably not fair to LaMelo since hes only played a few games this season in Cliffords garbage system. Its hard to ignore LaMelo's terrible defense and overall lack of discipline, though, even if he is probably the 2nd most naturally talented of the two classes behind Mobley.

1 - Evan Mobley
2 - Tyrese Haliburton
3 - LaMelo Ball (I'll put him here because its close and I want to be a homer)
4 - Scottie Barnes
5 - Franz Wagner
6 - Anthony Edwards (starting to worry about his character/commitment again)
7 - Tyrese Maxey
8 - Cade Cunningham
9 - Jalen Green
10 - Desmond Bane

Post #1747 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Dec 3, 2022 4:36 pm

Read on Twitter

Well ok then

UNCNYC · Post #1748 » by **UNCNYC** » Sat Dec 3, 2022 6:10 pm

Braggins wrote:The top 5 players from the 2020 draft are really good, but its not good at all after that. Guys like Okongwu and Jalen Smith are the type of players in discussion for 6th and theres a ton of duds after that. Bane is also like 3-4 years older than the top guys from 2021.

If you did a redraft of 2020 and 2021 combined, I think LaMelo, Hali, Ant, Maxey, and Bane, are probably the only players from 2020 that go in the lottery. I think Evan Mobley would hands down go #1 and then Haliburton #2. LaMelo, Barnes, Ant, and Franz, would probably be the guys in discussion for 3-6. Before this season I probably would have put Barnes 2nd/3rd, but hard to now while hes in a slump and I'm not really sure where I'd rank him. I kind of have LaMelo (and Ant) behind Franz right now, but its probably not fair to LaMelo since hes only played a few games this season in Cliffords garbage system. Its hard to ignore LaMelo's terrible defense and overall lack of discipline, though, even if he is probably the 2nd most naturally talented of the two classes behind Mobley.

1 - Evan Mobley
2 - Tyrese Haliburton
3 - LaMelo Ball (I'll put him here because its close and I want to be a homer)
4 - Scottie Barnes
5 - Franz Wagner
6 - Anthony Edwards (starting to worry about his character/commitment again)
7 - Tyrese Maxey
8 - Cade Cunningham
9 - Jalen Green
10 - Desmond Bane

Great list. I think soon my guys Killian Hayes, and Bones Hyland will join that list.

Primo - Might, coulda been, maybe.

Also Ayo Dosunmu not far behind

Liver_Pooty · Post #1749 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Dec 3, 2022 6:25 pm

Mavericks GM stated on a radio show that Kembas knee "is not good at all". We all knew it was bad, but its real bad when the GM of a team that just signed you says it is.

UNCNYC · Post #1750 » by **UNCNYC** » Sun Dec 4, 2022 11:12 pm

So happy for Killian Hayes.

DRIBBLE - said he couldn't go right

SHOT - said his shot was average

SPEED - said he lacked quickness

CADE - drafted cade to basically sit him

He is one of my favorite players now. I am such a bandwagoner lol. He Yuta and Bones.

wilson115 · Post #1751 » by **wilson115** » Mon Dec 5, 2022 12:31 am

UNCNYC wrote:So happy for Killian Hayes.

DRIBBLE - said he couldn't go right

SHOT - said his shot was average

SPEED - said he lacked quickness

CADE - drafted cade to basically sit him

He is one of my favorite players now. I am such a bandwagoner lol. He Yuta and Bones.

Aww was hoping the Pistons dump him on us once they trade for Miles. Was only a matter of time before his scoring caught up with everything else. Oh well.

Braggins · Post #1752 » by **Braggins** » Mon Dec 5, 2022 4:22 am

I haven't been following the Killian Hayes saga too much, but I don't like when people throw young players under the bus so quick before they get a chance to improve, so I hope he carves out a role.

Speaking of which, Malik Monk is seriously making a 6th moty case for himself. He also looks like hes trending towards surpassing Rozier as a player, if he hasn't already, but that could just be Cliffball making the Hornets players look bad.

Post #1753 » by **Diop** » Mon Dec 5, 2022 4:43 am

Good on monk for coming good, I have no regrets for letting him go, I’m glad it worked out for him

Liver_Pooty · Post #1754 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Dec 5, 2022 5:13 am

Diop wrote:Good on monk for coming good, I have no regrets for letting him go, I’m glad it worked out for him

Agreed

UNCNYC · Post #1755 » by **UNCNYC** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:50 pm

Shoutout to Austin Reaves. He is doing well but I am not surprised. He was one of my sleepers I thought could be a star. He didn't become it but at the same time he did being a LAKER.

If I had to pick an Austin Reaves in this draft it could be Santiago Vescovi

UNCNYC · Post #1756 » by **UNCNYC** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:42 am

Yay, YuTa has FIANALLY made his return from injury for the NETS tonight. Nets are also playing David Duke. I wish he/they ccoulda played us the other night. I am gonna enjoy this game, watch a lil bit of the Tiafimo Lopez fight and if I am up watch Zhuric Phelps *smu* play later on ESPN.

Post #1757 » by **fatlever** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:40 am

i think its **** ridiculous when players get all pissy about an opposing player doing a nasty 360 dunk with 3 seconds in a decided game. grow up. the game is for the fans, not your feelings. you want to do something about it? go kick their ass in next game and 360 dunk on them. dont expect me to get outraged at the horror of entertainment.

same argument applies to the biggest bunch of babies in any sport - baseball players.

Post #1758 » by **Diop** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:57 am

fatlever wrote:i think its **** ridiculous when players get all pissy about an opposing player doing a nasty 360 dunk with 3 seconds in a decided game. grow up. the game is for the fans, not your feelings. you want to do something about it? go kick their ass in next game and 360 dunk on them. dont expect me to get outraged at the horror of entertainment.

same argument applies to the biggest bunch of babies in any sport - baseball players.

Exactly, if it wasn’t for fan support they wouldn’t have a job at all.

Post #1759 » by **fatlever** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:32 pm

Read on Twitter

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Guess who ranks at number 3 on the Hoopshype all time list of most overpaid players

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Post #1760 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:23 pm

fatlever wrote:

Read on Twitter
?t=6lWfOpb4sPuRSAmEmWvYag&s=19

Guess who ranks at number 3 on the Hoopshype all time list of most overpaid players

Sent from my SM-G973U using RealGM Forums mobile app

Example 120254789 of why this franchice is run by morons. The Hayward deal was rightfully called out as a disaster by most rational people the moment the ink dried. That's not even taking into account the Batum stretch :crazy: