Fake Trade Thread #5

[JMAC3]

Oubre on a <$5M contract is an obvious bargain for everyone. We could absolutely have used his scoring punch through all these injuries, though C and PG are much more pressing matters.

That said, Miles is doing his best Oubre impression this season and i don't like it.

I know right, would be great if Miles could turn full on Luka right now and have JT Thor, Nick Richards and Nick Smith Jr perform as a top 10 offense around him. Crazy he hasn't been efficient playing with those guys. Dude probably isn't worth more than 8 million per year.

Ish Smith is a champion and Frank Ntilikina is a former top 10 pick. Share the rock with the fellas Miles.

i'm not talking about efficiency dude, i'm talking about his passing falling off the face of the earth, his defense tanking, and him not attacking the rim as much as he used to.

Maybe the Oubre comparison was harsh, but Miles does not look serious this year like he did in 2021 and 2022. If other teams watching him play this year, I suspect he's lost a ton of money.

I mean him playing 2 on 5 against the defense probably is hindering him getting to the rim but yes lets point the finger at him for not being a superstar who rises above all that.

[JMAC3]

Here is what the team looks like if we let Miles, Lowry, Gordon Walk and then use the 50 million in cap space to absorb Ben Simmons for a 2025 1st round pick.

LaMelo- Backup PG
#5 pick- NSJ
Miller- Martin
PJ- Thor
Mark- Nick

Ben Simmons on the bench in street clothes. That is fully healthy for next year, how many wins does that team get?

[Rich4114]

Here is what the team looks like if we let Miles, Lowry, Gordon Walk and then use the 50 million in cap space to absorb Ben Simmons for a 2025 1st round pick.

LaMelo- Backup PG
#5 pick- NSJ
Miller- Martin
PJ- Thor
Mark- Nick

Ben Simmons on the bench in street clothes. That is fully healthy for next year, how many wins does that team get?

Still probably more than this one, but not by much

[Rich4114]

Oubre on a <$5M contract is an obvious bargain for everyone. We could absolutely have used his scoring punch through all these injuries, though C and PG are much more pressing matters.

That said, Miles is doing his best Oubre impression this season and i don't like it.

I know right, would be great if Miles could turn full on Luka right now and have JT Thor, Nick Richards and Nick Smith Jr perform as a top 10 offense around him. Crazy he hasn't been efficient playing with those guys. Dude probably isn't worth more than 8 million per year.

Ish Smith is a champion and Frank Ntilikina is a former top 10 pick. Share the rock with the fellas Miles.

i'm not talking about efficiency dude, i'm talking about his passing falling off the face of the earth, his defense tanking, and him not attacking the rim as much as he used to.

Maybe the Oubre comparison was harsh, but Miles does not look serious this year like he did in 2021 and 2022. If other teams watching him play this year, I suspect he's lost a ton of money.

The Oubre comparison isn't harsh, he has played less like 2021 Miles Bridges and more like 2022 Kelly Oubre. I think it is very much a product of what's on the floor with him though. He (and really anyone other than the ISO ball handler) has no way to drive to the hoop because the paint is clogged with guys who won't do anything in it. Our offense and defense lacks the spacing and ball movement successful teams have. Miles can beat guys 1:1 but he can't beat guys 1:3 and will often turn it over. So I think that's causing him to chuck a lot more. The good news is he's seemed to have improved as a shooter.

[Diop]

Here is what the team looks like if we let Miles, Lowry, Gordon Walk and then use the 50 million in cap space to absorb Ben Simmons for a 2025 1st round pick.

LaMelo- Backup PG
#5 pick- NSJ
Miller- Martin
PJ- Thor
Mark- Nick

Ben Simmons on the bench in street clothes. That is fully healthy for next year, how many wins does that team get?

That’s why we need decent veterans signed to the team, we’re going to have to offer above market value but the team needs to turn things around.
I want them to try and get melton from Philly, good defender and supporter of maxey. Would fit next to ball

[JMAC3]

Here is what the team looks like if we let Miles, Lowry, Gordon Walk and then use the 50 million in cap space to absorb Ben Simmons for a 2025 1st round pick.

LaMelo- Backup PG
#5 pick- NSJ
Miller- Martin
PJ- Thor
Mark- Nick

Ben Simmons on the bench in street clothes. That is fully healthy for next year, how many wins does that team get?

That’s why we need decent veterans signed to the team, we’re going to have to offer above market value but the team needs to turn things around.
I want them to try and get melton from Philly, good defender and supporter of maxey. Would fit next to ball

In order to do that, you aren't going to be able to absorb Simmons contract and sign veterans above market price. He will take 40/50 cap space alone.

[Bassman]

I think the trade to make is sending Lowry to the Warriors for Wiggins. Would they do that strictly for cap relief? Highly doubt it. I’d take a chance on Wiggins playing well here. It’s less risky than a deal for Ben Simmons IMO, who can never stay healthy and has known back issues. Wiggins would give us an athletic defender to pair with Melo in the backcourt, and combine with Miller to be a rangy trio with height and length.

Another variation on this would be Miles for Wiggins (Bridges would have to approve). I was surprised this would work, but it does per trade checker (https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/8761550).

Can Lowry be traded before the deadline? I thought he could, but the checker says he can’t be dealt until March 23rd.

[HornetJail]

I think the trade to make is sending Lowry to the Warriors for Wiggins. Would they do that strictly for cap relief? Highly doubt it. I’d take a chance on Wiggins playing well here. It’s less risky than a deal for Ben Simmons IMO, who can never stay healthy and has known back issues. Wiggins would give us an athletic defender to pair with Melo in the backcourt, and combine with Miller to be a rangy trio with height and length.

Another variation on this would be Miles for Wiggins (Bridges would have to approve). I was surprised this would work, but it does per trade checker (https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/8761550).

Can Lowry be traded before the deadline? I thought he could, but the checker says he can’t be dealt until March 23rd.

the downside is Wiggins could simply decide to take a 3-year nap now that he's not in a contract year or immediately competing for a title

I'd go Simmons before Wiggins for the sole reason his contract ends sooner. I'm big fans of both when they are healthy and motivated, however the chances of either one of those happening here are low.

[JMAC3]

I think the trade to make is sending Lowry to the Warriors for Wiggins. Would they do that strictly for cap relief? Highly doubt it. I’d take a chance on Wiggins playing well here. It’s less risky than a deal for Ben Simmons IMO, who can never stay healthy and has known back issues. Wiggins would give us an athletic defender to pair with Melo in the backcourt, and combine with Miller to be a rangy trio with height and length.

Another variation on this would be Miles for Wiggins (Bridges would have to approve). I was surprised this would work, but it does per trade checker (https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/8761550).

Can Lowry be traded before the deadline? I thought he could, but the checker says he can’t be dealt until March 23rd.

Lowry can be traded, he just can't be traded with any other hornets players in the deal.

[Bassman]

I think the trade to make is sending Lowry to the Warriors for Wiggins. Would they do that strictly for cap relief? Highly doubt it. I’d take a chance on Wiggins playing well here. It’s less risky than a deal for Ben Simmons IMO, who can never stay healthy and has known back issues. Wiggins would give us an athletic defender to pair with Melo in the backcourt, and combine with Miller to be a rangy trio with height and length.

Another variation on this would be Miles for Wiggins (Bridges would have to approve). I was surprised this would work, but it does per trade checker (https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/8761550).

Can Lowry be traded before the deadline? I thought he could, but the checker says he can’t be dealt until March 23rd.

the downside is Wiggins could simply decide to take a 3-year nap now that he's not in a contract year or immediately competing for a title

I'd go Simmons before Wiggins for the sole reason his contract ends sooner. I'm big fans of both when they are healthy and motivated, however the chances of either one of those happening here are low.

I just think Simmons is another Gordon issue…forever easily injured and can never really be counted on. I think Wiggins could be convinced to make the effort to be part of building a winner, with exciting young players around him.

[yosemiteben]

Wiggins is not changing the culture of this team or bringing a winning mentality. I'm really not interested in him.

Feels like a very high likelihood that we regret him occupying that cap space.

[Bassman]

Wiggins is not changing the culture of this team or bringing a winning mentality. I'm really not interested in him.

Feels like a very high likelihood that we regret him occupying that cap space.

I understand your opinion, and I can easily share it when thinking about him. I’m thinking about a risk/reward scenario verses what kind of pick we might get for Lowry, or even Miles. So far it would seem Lowry is viewed as a sure buyout, which means stupid Mitch will never get an offer. Miles might bring a first, but I doubt it since no bird rights transfer and he’s a risk to any team for obvious reasons. No real interest in an “injured” Hayward.

So where is our deal to gain assets coming from?

Wiggins would represent a higher risk, but the potential for a huge return if he performs like he’s done most recently, and in previous Warriors seasons. While we will be in the lottery this year it’s a weak draft. Likely a lotto picker the following as well. Wiggins has 3 more years on his deal. Is there any upcoming free agent we could realistically pick up this off-season that is equal to or better at SG/wing?

[SWedd523]

Trading Wiggins for Lowry would be a coup for the Warriors. They'd have to include some serious future draft capital to make me even consider taking on that contract.

He reeks of Meow, Batum, Gordo apathy

[JustBuzzin]

What exactly is the plan with the capspace?

Are we just going to use most of it on Bridges?

The only other realistic vets I can see help changing the culture are Jrue Holiday and Klay Thompson.

[Diop]

De Anthony melton as tough guard, Jae crowder for culture, olynyk for stretch 4/5.

[KingCat]

There is gonna be some pretty decent free agent talent that can shore up some massive holes we have, and I agree Melton should be a big target

Now I can't wait to spend the off season maxing out Miles, resigning Ish, and signing Mike Muscala and then calling it a day.

[Diop]

Jae should be cheap and has always been a tough fighter type

[JMAC3]

Jae should be cheap and has always been a tough fighter type

He should be cheap for a contender, but to come to Charlotte he would want at least 10 I would assume.

[Snidely FC]

I'm okay with resigning Miles. I think he is an important player for this franchise.

At the same time, it is unusual for a 20 ppg player to be available at his current contract price. It is equally rare to prise away young upside players because they are on rookie contracts, and teams have fomo on their development.

People seem to talk less about Moses Moody than Kuminga in GS, but given Moses Moody's role at GS I'm less certain about them protecting him. Moody hasn't had a ton of opportunity in a crowded GS backcourt, but when given opportunity has shown he can score the ball. He has had three 20 pt games in the last month even with limited time. And he is far more interested in defense than Miles.

Moses Moody is an example of the type of player I would consider trading Miles for. GS wins this trade in the short term, but Moody is still only 21, and has the upside to replace 15-20 ppg while value-adding defense that I think makes him the right sort of target for a Miles trade.

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[amcoolio]

If GSW offers a future unrprotected first, you have to take it. They are the shakiest house of cards you've ever seen

If they want Miles for Wiggins and give a 2028 first for example, that's a win