Fake Trade Thread 2014-15

[HornetJail]

Revise/Revisited Trades to finish off the starting 5 and add depth.

Lakers Get:
Gerald Henderson
Cody Zeller
Brian Roberts
2015 First top 5 protected

Hornets Get:
Carlos Boozer
Jordan Hill
Nick Young
Ronnie Price

Hornets Get:
Chase Budinger

TWolves Get:
Rights to Justin Cobbs
3.5 million cash


PG: Kemba Walker | Gary Neal | Ronnie Price
SG: Lance Stephenson | Nick Young | Chase Budinger
SF: Micheal Kidd Gilchrist | Marvin Williams | Nick Young
PF: Carlos Boozer | Jordan Hill | Jason Maxiell
C: Al Jefferson | Bismack Biyombo | Jordan Hill

hey would now have a real starting 5 and a set of 7 rotation players that are a good mix of experience, youth, energy, etc. And high offense that would add well to an 8 minute mark swap.

Boozer would play split minutes with Hill. I would probably try to save Boozer for the post season if anything. Hill is a guy who has proven with 20 mpg he will get you 9pts 8reb. He is still young, developing and signed for 3 years. Offensively and size wise he is a mix of a 4/5.
Boozer catches a lot of flack for... well i really don't know why. He has always been a solid scorer, good rebounder, has tons of experience, leadership and is a very good vet player to have on a team like this.
Defensively he has problems but the big man depth on the above roster makes up for this.

Marvin Williams is another good depth player with tons of experience. I think people tend to undervalue what he will be contributing to the team.

Nick Young is a high energy, tall 2/3 who can come in and quickly put up 12+. Having this guy as a depth player makes up for any kind of lack of scoring with MKG, Boozer, Stephenson. Although i think Lance will be an 18+ guy this year.

Chase as mentioned in the above post, will be another tall, quick scoring, energy guard.

So what has been done with these trades and roster is we have created high offense off the bench, reliable big man depth and increased the line up size and IMO in the East this would contend.

We have to trade a first and give up Hendo and Zeller to take on all that garbage? No thanks. Wouldn't take that package for free. Hill, Young, and Budinger are all overpaid, Boozer would be an awful fit with Al, and Price is garbage.

[TheKingofSting]

No thanks on Boozer the loser.

[MasterIchiro]

Which Henderson trade do you like best?

1) Henderson + Zeller for Jeff Green

2) Henderson + Hairston for Arron Afflalo

3) Henderson + Vonleh + Hairston for Al Horford

4) Henderson + Zeller + Lottery protected 1st for John Henson + Ersan Ilyasova

[Bravenewworld]

Yeah, I might be alone on this but I think getting Ersan from them would be a coup. He's being wasted there, he's asked to score too much and he's a complementary player. All we'd need him to do is rebound, cover ground on defense and make the occasional open three/jumper and that's exactly what he does.

I cant see the Bucks getting rid of any of their big men. They have depth, long term contracts and they will be wanting to attempt to contend this season or next which will require that depth.
I actually think they could be a surprise team this year.

[HornetJail]

Which Henderson trade do you like best?

1) Henderson + Zeller for Jeff Green

2) Henderson + Hairston for Arron Afflalo

3) Henderson + Vonleh + Hairston for Al Horford

4) Henderson + Zeller + Lottery protected 1st for John Henson + Ersan Ilyasova

I'd be all over #3 for sure.
#2 is probably good as well.
I'd do #1 if hendo was replaced with Marvin or if Zell was replaced with a future pick.
No go on #4 though

[Bravenewworld]

We have to trade a first and give up Hendo and Zeller to take on all that garbage? No thanks. Wouldn't take that package for free. Hill, Young, and Budinger are all overpaid, Boozer would be an awful fit with Al, and Price is garbage.

They would have to give up a first in that trade because Henderson, while a great 6th man, is nothing more than this. He is the best piece to that trade and given what they get in return, a first would be absolutely needed. Zeller, im not sure why people want to put so much value on him. Even if we double this kids skill he is still not a starter on any winning team. He is one of those guys who will have an effective career from his first year til about 27, 28, 29. As long as he can provide energy off the bench he will have a career but the second his speed starts to decline he begins to lose value. Nothing wrong with that, its just another role on a basketball team. But lets not imagine what he is and then apply our imaginations to his value.

Boozer would be a great fit on this team given his experience, leadership and abilities. Him and Stephenson would be pushing this team to be more then they are and would help ensure success. Not to mention that he is better then any other PF option the Hornets currently have.

Young has a 20 million dollar contract over 4 years, so roughly 5 a year. For a guy who can average 18 points in under 30mpg, that is a fantastic contract. He is fantastic 6th man material and you're paying the price of a first overall pick rookie contract for him. How you consider this overpaid is beyond me.

Jordan Hill, like Young is again, not overpaid. 9 mill a year for a PF/C who can put up 10/8/1 in 20 minutes is what you will pay in today's NBA. I agree that it should go down to 7 or so, but that goes for the entire NBA and their signing of big men, not just LAL or specifically JH.

Bud........ again....like the other two.......... 5 million a year is not over-payment for him. Its exactly in the range you can expect to pay for an experienced tweener shooter.

Given what the Hornets get in return, this trade is an utter steal and they contend in the East. As long as there would be no chemistry issues, probably win it to be honest. I don't think they would contend in the Finals, but i think they could make the finals. The only real worrisome team would be the Cavs and Stephenson and MKG can defensively deal with the Cavs.

[Bravenewworld]

Which Henderson trade do you like best?

1) Henderson + Zeller for Jeff Green

Celtics would have no reason to do this trade. They already have four big men who will most likely end up the same or better than Zeller. Green is an overall better and more complete player then Henderson as well. Henderson only really has value to a team that is contending, thinks they are contending or is willing to sign him long term because they plan on contending next season+. On a team like the Celtics, he has little value and they have no real reason to go after him.

2) Henderson + Hairston for Arron Afflalo

This is a solid trade.
Its kind of pointless for both teams and i dont think either team is looking to do anything like this, but whatever. I will say that unless MKG is injured i think Henderson would get more minutes on the Hornets then AA. Personally i like Henderson and think he is a great back up 2/3 who fits better on this roster then AA would.

3) Henderson + Vonleh + Hairston for Al Horford

I think a 2015 unprotected (not as if it matters, they would not fall into the lottery anyway) would need to be included in this for it to work.
Henderson would have little value as the Hawks are not contending (that could change but i doubt it will if they are shopping Al) and Hairston and Vonleh are base molds. We have no real idea of what they are capable of in the NBA or what their ceiling is. So there is no major value here for the Hawks, outside of finding out those ceilings and then hoping the training staff can get them to reach those peaks.
IMO Hairston is a depth role playing SG at best. Holds little real value in this trade as these type of players are a dime a dozen and the Hawks already have young players that fit this mold.
Vonleh is a project as he is very raw but pretty damn talented. He would hold most of the value in this trade.

This trade would actually be a lot better and the Hornets could get more if this was three way trade sending Henderson to a good team.

4) Henderson + Zeller + Lottery protected 1st for John Henson + Ersan Ilyasova

Change Zeller to Vonleh and the Bucks might consider doing this. Although i think Sanders would need to be in place of someone as they absolutely wont get rid of both those specific big men, especially in one trade.

[Eoghan]

Yeah, I might be alone on this but I think getting Ersan from them would be a coup. He's being wasted there, he's asked to score too much and he's a complementary player. All we'd need him to do is rebound, cover ground on defense and make the occasional open three/jumper and that's exactly what he does.

I cant see the Bucks getting rid of any of their big men. They have depth, long term contracts and they will be wanting to attempt to contend this season or next which will require that depth.
I actually think they could be a surprise team this year.

You act like Jason Kidd knows what to do with big men.

[Bassman]

Which Henderson trade do you like best?

1) Henderson + Zeller for Jeff Green

2) Henderson + Hairston for Arron Afflalo

3) Henderson + Vonleh + Hairston for Al Horford

4) Henderson + Zeller + Lottery protected 1st for John Henson + Ersan Ilyasova

NO trades for Vonleh. He hasn't even gotten started yet, but shows potential to be a quality starting 4. Sub Seller in that deal and I'm in. Noah will develop on pace or faster than Hyphen has.

[LofJ]

Unless Sanders is a DPOY caliber player, which is possible, I don't think the Bucks are nearly good enough defensively to make noise this year. The box score crowd may not like it, but defense matters if you want to be a winning team.

[BeesWax]

Which Henderson trade do you like best?

1) Henderson + Zeller for Jeff Green

2) Henderson + Hairston for Arron Afflalo

3) Henderson + Vonleh + Hairston for Al Horford

4) Henderson + Zeller + Lottery protected 1st for John Henson + Ersan Ilyasova

I'd be all over #3 for sure.
#2 is probably good as well.
I'd do #1 if hendo was replaced with Marvin or if Zell was replaced with a future pick.
No go on #4 though

1 in a heartbeat, then 3 then 2 and no way I touch 4. I like the players we are getting in 4 but I think we are giving up way to much for them. Not a huge fan of AA but I think the value is pretty even there.

[catch20two]

The Bucks need to trade us one of those bigs and stop playing. Watch another team get Henson for like a 2nd rounder and we don't make no move.

[catch20two]

Which Henderson trade do you like best?

1) Henderson + Zeller for Jeff Green

2) Henderson + Hairston for Arron Afflalo

3) Henderson + Vonleh + Hairston for Al Horford

4) Henderson + Zeller + Lottery protected 1st for John Henson + Ersan Ilyasova

#1. Yes
#2. No
#3. No
#4. Yes but I think we could get it done with a 2nd rounder instead.

[Benjamin Linus]

I would do the first two deals but I like #3 the most. Horford is a star and would be a great fit on our team, plus he's only 28. Not much of a fan on giving up Vonleh and Hairston but for Horford, I'd do it. Not sure if Atlanta does that deal though. Don't care for #4 unless you change the 1st to a 2nd.

[BlackOutBuzz]

I don't really like any of those. I get why we'd do 3 though. Don't like 2 at all, I'm not a big Hairston fan but I'd rather keep his cheap rookie deal then rent Afflalo for one year.

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[JDR720]

Yea i dont really like any of those deals

trade 1- meh
trade 2- would rather keep PJ than a rental of Afflalo
trade 3- dont want to take on Al's injury proneness
trade 4- dont like trading pick for Mr.Inconsistency and his contract

[Braggins]

Which Henderson trade do you like best?

1) Henderson + Zeller for Jeff Green

2) Henderson + Hairston for Arron Afflalo

3) Henderson + Vonleh + Hairston for Al Horford

4) Henderson + Zeller + Lottery protected 1st for John Henson + Ersan Ilyasova

I like 1, 3, and 4. I think our shooting and depth at the 2 might be good enough that Afflalo might be more of a luxury than a need or necessity and I would rather see what comes of Hairston than rent Afflalo. I like the Green trade the best because I dont really want either player wed be giving up and it would make us more exciting than the other options (although probably not as good as the Horford trade). For pure value and fit the Henson/Elyasova trade might be the best if it was a second round pick instead. Horford would be the best win now move. 1 would definitely be my pick.

[TheKingofSting]

Maybe we can buy cheap on David West while he is hurt?

[HornetJail]

Maybe we can buy cheap on David West while he is hurt?

His injury isn't long term or anything. Doubt the Pacers are that shortsighted.

[Bravenewworld]

Yeah, I might be alone on this but I think getting Ersan from them would be a coup. He's being wasted there, he's asked to score too much and he's a complementary player. All we'd need him to do is rebound, cover ground on defense and make the occasional open three/jumper and that's exactly what he does.

I cant see the Bucks getting rid of any of their big men. They have depth, long term contracts and they will be wanting to attempt to contend this season or next which will require that depth.
I actually think they could be a surprise team this year.

You act like Jason Kidd knows what to do with big men.

Well, Jason Kidd as the coach does not make trade decisions, he might have some input but thats it. But even if he did the guy has played with fantastic big men over the years and clearly knows their value.
But that does not have anything to do with it really. They are a rebuilding team that goes 3 deep with young bigs, at worst for them they will trade one and i don't think it will be until they figure out they wont be able to keep all three due to salary.