Fake Trade Thread #4

NCHeels2008 · Post #1761 » by **NCHeels2008** » Tue Jan 3, 2023 7:24 am

JMAC3 wrote:Pretty funny on the trade board.

Every other proposal has us trading one of Hayward, Rozier, Oubre or PJ. Followed by a trade that argues they have no value.

Especially PJ Washington, who apparently is good enough to start for every team trading for him but apparently isn't worth anything in a trade.

I don't get around RealGM much, has anyone floated PJ for Wiseman? I like our two center prospects but almost just for value I think it's a good dice roll.

NCHeels2008 · Post #1762 » by **NCHeels2008** » Tue Jan 3, 2023 7:26 am

Did anyone like Bill Simmons idea of the Lakers attaching the 27 1st (top 1?2? protected) along with Westbrook and Beverly to basically hollow out the Hornets older core? (Hayward, Rozier, Plumlee and Oubre).

I think it would be foolish of the Lakers because the team is too dependent on a 38 yr old and a broken down 30 year old. But curious if you guys think that's getting enough back to get a reset at the end of the year.

Braggins · Post #1763 » by **Braggins** » Wed Jan 4, 2023 12:49 am

NCHeels2008 wrote:Did anyone like Bill Simmons idea of the Lakers attaching the 27 1st (top 1?2? protected) along with Westbrook and Beverly to basically hollow out the Hornets older core? (Hayward, Rozier, Plumlee and Oubre).

I think it would be foolish of the Lakers because the team is too dependent on a 38 yr old and a broken down 30 year old. But curious if you guys think that's getting enough back to get a reset at the end of the year.

The deal I thought of was...

Charlotte gets: Russell Westbrook + Kendrick Nunn or Patrick Beverly + Juan Toscano Anderson + 2026 LAL 1st + 2023 CHI 2nd
LA gets: Gordon Hayward + Terry Rozier + Kelly Oubre + 2023 BOS 2nd

Oubre getting surgery takes this off the table. You can swap out Oubre for Plumlee, but I don't think LAL would actually have much use for Plumlee since they are trying to play AD at the 5 and they have Thomas Bryant. You can simplify it to Rozier/Hayward for Westbrook/Nunn too, though (maybe remove the 2nd swap).

My ideal would be to find a deal for a 1st round pick for Rozier by himself or with Plumlee/Oubre and keep Hayward as a stopgap glue guy that can potentially be traded at next years deadline as a huge expiring, or just ride out the contract. My worry with this Lakers deal is that I would be terrified of Mitch/MJ going into this terrible free agency class with max cap space. If I knew they were going to use the salary to resign their own younger players and keep future flexibility then I would be fine with a deal like this if there weren't any better Rozier offers on the table.

LAL w/ Oubre option

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LAL w/ Plumlee option

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LAL w/ no Oubre or Plumlee

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amcoolio · Post #1764 » by **amcoolio** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 3:03 pm

How much you want to bet that Mitch waits too long and is unable to trade the vets because Toronto, Chicago, Washington, San Antonio, and Utah do it first? Then he'll have a press conference at the deadline and say "we couldn't find good deals" and "we are happy with our team going forward"?

Post #1765 » by **fatlever** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 3:39 pm

My honest guess...We will end up waiving oubre and Mason after the deadline once Mitch snoozes thru next 6 weeks without a trade. Buyout, they go sign for contenders, Mitch sells it as keeping cap space and giving youngsters playing time.

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SWedd523 · Post #1766 » by **SWedd523** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 3:43 pm

amcoolio wrote:How much you want to bet that Mitch waits too long and is unable to trade the vets because Toronto, Chicago, Washington, San Antonio, and Utah do it first? Then he'll have a press conference at the deadline and say "we couldn't find good deals" and "we are happy with our team going forward"?

I love us

Bassman · Post #1767 » by **Bassman** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 4:15 pm

What the f*** does Mitch do anyway? Seriously…we never hear from him. No action, no activity. I bet he saunters in to the office on occasion, mutters a word to the folks, maybe peeks in to practice to show his face, then retreats to his closed door office to binge watch Netflix.

NCHeels2008 · Post #1768 » by **NCHeels2008** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 4:34 pm

I think Mitch has drafted decently, especially with later picks. Kinda sucks on trades though minus the Graham fleecing.

SWedd523 · Post #1769 » by **SWedd523** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 5:01 pm

Bassman wrote:What the f*** does Mitch do anyway? Seriously…we never hear from him. No action, no activity. I bet he saunters in to the office on occasion, mutters a word to the folks, maybe peeks in to practice to show his face, then retreats to his closed door office to binge watch Netflix.

He got Matlock: The Complete Series on VHS for Christmas so he's been binging in his office

Post #1770 » by **fatlever** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 9:38 pm

Watch on YouTube

video of Mitch hard at work

Post #1771 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Jan 7, 2023 12:10 pm

On Zach Lowe's latest podcast, they talked about a PJ + Mason for Wiseman + Moody trade. Anyone interested? I think they included a 1st to Charlotte but don't quote me on that.

JMAC3 · Post #1772 » by **JMAC3** » Sat Jan 7, 2023 11:17 pm

What I think we should do? It is obvious.

Everyone keeps telling me that we should trade Rozier or PJ for a late first because that is all they are worth...

We should trade the Denver pick for a starter who can score 15-21ppg. We will make it fair though, they have to be between ages of 24-28 so no super young prospects allowed.

Leaves about 15 players to choose from.. here they are sorted by position.

1- DLO, Jamal Murray, FVV, Dejounte, Brunson
2- Huerter, Brooks, Trent Jr
3- Hunter, Mikal,
4- Wood, Aaron Gordon, Sabonis
5 Turner, Ayton

Which one should we get?

Hornet Mania · Post #1773 » by **Hornet Mania** » Sun Jan 8, 2023 5:46 pm

yosemiteben wrote:On Zach Lowe's latest podcast, they talked about a PJ + Mason for Wiseman + Moody trade. Anyone interested? I think they included a 1st to Charlotte but don't quote me on that.

I'd 100% be down for that trade. Mason isn't a part of the our future and if PJ expects a big payday he needs to be sent out too. Two young prospects coming back plus a 1st for guys who I wouldn't even have on the team next year if I were GM sounds lovely.

I'd prefer to get a 1st for both PJ and Mason individually, but don't have much faith in Mitch as a wheeler and dealer. Half the reason I'm so positive about that proposal is it likely prevents us from giving Plumdog a new deal or overpaying PJ. (Now that I say that watch this trade happen then Mitch sign Plumlee for 3/30 in free agency)

Post #1774 » by **JDR720** » Sun Jan 8, 2023 9:14 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/269931/Kelly-Oubre-Jr-Drew-Trade-Interest-From-Cavs-Suns-Raptors-Before-Hand-Injury

NCHeels2008 · Post #1775 » by **NCHeels2008** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 6:29 am

JDR720 wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/269931/Kelly-Oubre-Jr-Drew-Trade-Interest-From-Cavs-Suns-Raptors-Before-Hand-Injury

Mitch won't be able to get 3 2nds for him now

bubowskee · Post #1776 » by **bubowskee** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 8:16 pm

Unless Mitch resigns, I don't see us making a trade. Before the season, he said this was a playoff team and the expectations are to win. That fits MJ's entire tenure here. In addition, Cliff just did an interview with Rod Boone where he said this is a top 4/5 team in the East when healthy.

Read on Twitter

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I think management and coaches would rather do nothing and hope to sneak into the playin again instead of shed long term contracts to build around LaMelo. So unless Mitch quits and we have a mandate to teardown so the next GM wont be handicapped by long term money, I think it's gonna be a quiet deadline

Bassman · Post #1777 » by **Bassman** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 10:14 pm

bubowskee wrote:Unless Mitch resigns, I don't see us making a trade. Before the season, he said this was a playoff team and the expectations are to win. That fits MJ's entire tenure here. In addition, Cliff just did an interview with Rod Boone where he said this is a top 4/5 team in the East when healthy.

Read on Twitter
?s=46&t=NCR7tmJVNlGLlZd6YFYMwA

I think management and coaches would rather do nothing and hope to sneak into the playin again instead of shed long term contracts to build around LaMelo. So unless Mitch quits and we have a mandate to teardown so the next GM wont be handicapped by long term money, I think it's gonna be a quiet deadline

VERY SAD. Clifford is either delusional or smoking what Mitch tokes in mass quantities. “Healthy” wouldn’t even include Bridges as he is not signed. This team has mostly turnstile guards (defensively calling them guards only works if they can actually guard someone). Our youngin’s are too raw, our starting center is dull average, and our forwards are not strong rebounders. SPIN MACHINE!

Braggins · Post #1778 » by **Braggins** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 11:15 pm

Hopefully thats just PR talk, but damn thats depressing if thats really how upper management views this team.

Post #1779 » by **Diop** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 11:37 pm

if all players including Hayward played 80 games and Miles didn't become a felon, sure top 4/5 was an argument to make.

Braggins · Post #1780 » by **Braggins** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 11:42 pm

and if Atkinson was their coach