Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread

[Lorenzomax7]

Lin needs to take what's given to him. If he's open for 20 shots, take 20 shots. If he's trapped, then pass out. Steph Curry just scored 53 points and no one is calling him a ball hog because it's within the flow of the game. There's days where Klay will score 50. If Lin is respected as a scorer, then it'll open up space for other players. I feel like Lin tries to force feed his teammates and then turns it up in the 4th quarter. I understand this mentality but it's counterproductive if it's predictable.

I am a HUGE LIN FAN.

BUT...

ARE YOU CRAZY?

LIN IS NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO CURRY.

We can't even trade 4 lottery picks, Jeremy Lin and Kemba Walker for one Stephen Curry.

Curry is a God-like scorer man.

Lin is at best an above average starter, and S.Curry is at best one of the TOP 10 NBA players in the history.

[anthoang]

No one can match Curry's first two games of the season. No one can be Curry.... not even Seth Curry can be Curry.

[Roy Tarpley]

Lin needs to take what's given to him. If he's open for 20 shots, take 20 shots. If he's trapped, then pass out. Steph Curry just scored 53 points and no one is calling him a ball hog because it's within the flow of the game. There's days where Klay will score 50. If Lin is respected as a scorer, then it'll open up space for other players. I feel like Lin tries to force feed his teammates and then turns it up in the 4th quarter. I understand this mentality but it's counterproductive if it's predictable.

I am a HUGE LIN FAN.

BUT...

ARE YOU CRAZY?

LIN IS NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO CURRY.

We can't even trade 4 lottery picks, Jeremy Lin and Kemba Walker for one Stephen Curry.

Curry is a God-like scorer man.

Lin is at best an above average starter, and S.Curry is at best one of the TOP 10 NBA players in the history.[/quote]

Read again. I never said Lin is Curry. I just meant that your volume of shots doesn't matter if it's within the flow of the game and sets up more space. I was just using Curry as an example.

[gafun]

Lin needs to take what's given to him. If he's open for 20 shots, take 20 shots. If he's trapped, then pass out. Steph Curry just scored 53 points and no one is calling him a ball hog because it's within the flow of the game. There's days where Klay will score 50. If Lin is respected as a scorer, then it'll open up space for other players. I feel like Lin tries to force feed his teammates and then turns it up in the 4th quarter. I understand this mentality but it's counterproductive if it's predictable.

I am a HUGE LIN FAN.

BUT...

ARE YOU CRAZY?

LIN IS NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO CURRY.

We can't even trade 4 lottery picks, Jeremy Lin and Kemba Walker for one Stephen Curry.

Curry is a God-like scorer man.

Lin is at best an above average starter, and S.Curry is at best one of the TOP 10 NBA players in the history.[/quote]
Agree. Lin tries to force feed his teammates in all three games.


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[Lorenzomax7]

Read again. I never said Lin is Curry. I just meant that your volume of shots doesn't matter if it's within the flow of the game and sets up more space. I was just using Curry as an example.

He can't create space w/out good picks thou.

Hawes sucks at everything, period.

[Lorenzomax7]

^^^ It looks like I wrote that "crazy" part lol

[Lorenzomax7]

Rating & Comparing these two bigs(Hawes & Cody) with J-Lin's former teammates.

These ratings are solely based on how they fit the game of Jeremy Lin, not their true individual abilities.
Free Jeremy Lin from Hawes...that's all I'm gonna say:

Horrible fit.

Tyson Chandler, A+
- An All-Star center
- Elite roll-man & finisher
- Great PnR defender, rim-protector, rebounder and team leader

Jefferis, B
- Solid rim-protector, great help-defender
- Great leader
- Can knock down the long-2s
- Set solid screens for teammates
- Not a good finisher but solid on the boards

Novak, B
- A great stretch 4
- Can’t play defense

Amar’e Stoudemire, B
- Still a great roll-man
- Solid mid-range shooter, can stretch the floor a lil bit but limited
- Very poor in defending the PnRs
- Lack of a focus on the boards

Omer Asik, B+
- Can play PnR but can’t catch the ball
- Pretty good PnR defender
- Elite rebounder
- Solid rim protector
- Good passer

Marcus Morris (back in his Rockets days), C-
- Can knock down 3s but wildly inconsistent
- Good mobility, can run the floor well
- Poor defender, too many fouls
- Chucker, sometimes try to do too much

Patrick Patterson, C
- Solid PnR defender
- Can know down some of the mid-range jumpers and corner 3s
- But he is inconsistent
- Poor in the Box and never get the rebound against tough match-up
- Unwilling to set a solid screen

Terrence Jones (rookie year), D
- Great in transition offense, can handle the ball quite a bit
- Poor defender
- No box-out
- Can’t shoot from long-range
- Can’t set a good screen
- Not a willing passer

Motiejunas (rookie year), C-
- Can post-up sometimes
- Can play pick & pops but couldn’t knock down most of those shots
- Willing passer
- Not a good defender yet but active on steps

Dwight Howard, B can be A- if he really likes to play PnRs and run the floor every time.
- Great roll-man but not a fan of it
- Great rim-protector but not that great defending the PnRs
- Fantastic on the boards
- Good passer back to the basket
- Below average efficiency on post-up plays

Jordan Hill, C-
- Okay shooter from long-2s but was wildly inconsistent
- Can’t play a lick of defense despite a few blocks
- Not a great rebounder as mentioned
- Unwilling to be a roll-man, doesn’t want to play through contact

Carlos Boozer, D+
- Good mid-range shooter
- Zero D
- Can’t set a solid screen, played SLIP ‘n’ pops/rolls all days
- Can’t shoot from outside the arc at all
- A poor man version of Big Al, unwilling passer

Ed Davis, A-
- Great roll-man, Great finisher, knows how to play PnR with Jeremy Lin from day 1
- Great mobility, Good in transition play
- Average rim-protector

Spencer Hawes, D-
- The only benefit from him is the size
- Weakest defender among these bigs I mentioned
- Lack of mobility, slow as ****, can’t get back on time and can’t run the floor too
- Willing passer but doesn’t know which team he is playing for
- Can’t set a good screen w/out fouling

Cody Zeller, C
- Solid rim-protector but can’t hold it up against mobile bigs and elite guards
- Runs the floor well
- Not a good shooter at all
- Okay finisher under the basket against average defense
- Not a decent PnR guy against good defense due to his average wingspan and vertical explosiveness

Marvin Williams, B
- Stretch the floor well with his 3pt-shooting and hustling on the offensive boards
- Full of energy on both ends
- Solid rebounder but doesn’t box-out whenever he is tired
- Can be too slow against some wing players, just an average defender

Big Al, C
- no need to mention

Kaminsky, rookie, no rating yet.

[kastuul]

Read again. I never said Lin is Curry. I just meant that your volume of shots doesn't matter if it's within the flow of the game and sets up more space. I was just using Curry as an example.

He can't create space w/out good picks thou.

Hawes sucks at everything, period.

Hawes isn't active to play under the rim.

Zeller should play PnR in 2nd Unit.
His PER36 rebound is better than Hawes.
His +/- is terrible. Maybe he is playing out of his position.

Lin/Zeller/Lamb/Daniels/Kaminsky

[sirdeadcat]

https://streamable.com/c7dv

just putting this out there. Credits to reddit. Seems like hornet has no answer when opponents trap the PnR. There was no offball movement at all.

[Roy Tarpley]

https://streamable.com/c7dv

just putting this out there. Credits to reddit. Seems like hornet has no answer when opponents trap the PnR. There was no offball movement at all.

I blame Lin for this possession even though Hawes is the one that looked bad.

Lin should have:

- recognized that Hawes is not agile enough to catch any passes not directly at Hawes's chest
- pushed through the trap, it was only two people and didn't look like an incredibly suffocating trap
- not put himself in that situation in general when Kaminsky and Lamb had more space on the weak side

I don't blame the others for no offball movement, Lin cornered himself on the sideline and there is no "offball movement" that could have saved that situation.

[steady]

https://streamable.com/c7dv

just putting this out there. Credits to reddit. Seems like hornet has no answer when opponents trap the PnR. There was no offball movement at all.

They need a second playmaker on second unit. They should have Batum or Kemba play more minutes with them

If they can't swing that they should at least have Lamb or Kaminsky playing the role Hawes had in that set. Asking Hawes to play that role is just wrong

[steady]

Rating & Comparing these two bigs(Hawes & Cody) with J-Lin's former teammates.

These ratings are solely based on how they fit the game of Jeremy Lin, not their true individual ability.
Free Jeremy Lin from Hawes...that's all I'm gonna say:

Horrible fit.

Tyson Chandler, A+
- An All-Star center
- Elite roll-man & finisher
- Great PnR defender, rim-protector, rebounder and team leader

Jefferis, B
- Solid rim-protector, great help-defender
- Great leader
- Can knock down the long-2s
- Set solid screens for teammates
- Not a good finisher but solid on the boards

Novak, B
- A great stretch 4
- Can’t play defense

Amar’e Stoudemire, B
- Still a great roll-man
- Solid mid-range shooters, can stretch the floor a lil bit but limited
- Very poor in defending the PnRs
- Lack of a focus on the boards

Omer Asik, B+
- Can play PnR but can’t catch the ball
- Pretty good PnR defender
- Elite rebounder
- Solid rim protector
- Good passer

Marcus Morris (back in his Rockets days), C-
- Can knock down 3s but wildly inconsistent
- Good mobility, can run the floor well
- Poor defender, too many fouls
- Chucker, sometimes try to do too much

Patrick Patterson, C
- Solid PnR defender
- Can know down some of the mid-range jumpers and corner 3s
- But he is inconsistent
- Poor in the Box and never get the rebound against tough match-up
- Unwilling to set a solid screen

Terrence Jones (rookie year), D
- Great in transition offense, can handle the ball quite a bit
- Poor defender
- No box-out
- Can’t shoot from long-range
- Can’t set a good screen
- Not a willing passer

Motiejunas (rookie year), C-
- Can post-up sometimes
- Can play pick & pops but couldn’t knock down most of those shots
- Willing passer
- Not a good defender yet but active on steps

Jordan Hill, C-
- Okay shooter from long-2s but was wildly inconsistent
- Can’t play a lick of defense
- Not a great rebounder as mentioned
- Unwilling to be a roll-man, doesn’t want to play through contact

Carlos Boozer, D+
- Good mid-range shooter
- Zero D
- Can’t set a solid screen, played SLIP ‘n’ pops/rolls all days
- Can’t shoot from outside the arc at all
- A poor man version of Big Al, unwilling passer

Ed Davis, A-
- Great roll-man, Great finisher, knows how to play PnR with Jeremy Lin from day 1
- Great mobility, Good in transition play
- Average rim-protector

Spencer Hawes, D-
- The only benefit from him is the size
- Weakest defender among these bigs I mentioned
- Lack of mobility, slow as ****, can’t get back on time and can’t run the floor too
- Willing passer but doesn’t know which team he is playing for
- Can’t set a good screen w/out fouling

Cody Zeller, C
- Solid rim-protector but can’t hold it up against mobile bigs and elite guards
- Runs the floor well
- Not a good shooter at all
- Okay finisher under the basket against average defense
- Not a decent PnR guy against good defense due to his average wingspan and vertical explosiveness

Marvin Williams, B
- Stretch the floor well with his 3pt-shooting and hustling on the offensive boards
- Full of energy on both ends
- Solid rebounder but doesn’t box-out whenever he is tired
- Can be too slow against some wing players, just an average defender

Big Al, C
- no need to mention

Kaminsky, rookie, no rating yet.

Fun to relive those memories LM, thanks for post. Ah- the case of Carlos Boozer.

[kastuul]

Spencer Hawes
% of FGA by Distance (0-3) 30.5 % Career, 19.5% last season, 37.1% carreer high
FG% by Distance (0-3) 61.4 Career, 59.3% last season, 63.7% career high

Ed Davis
% of FGA by Distance (0-3) 71.4 % last season with Lin
FG% by Distance (0-3) 68.7% last season with Lin

Cody Zeller
% of FGA by Distance (0-3) 50.9% last season
FG% by Distance (0-3) 57.4% last season

In recent 3 years, Hawes has over 30% of shots is from 3pt line.
Zeller has 3% of shots only. ED is 0%.

It's not Hawes game to roll with a guard.

Lin need to big who love to finish under the rim.

[AustinPowers]

I try not to be verbose on forums and won't start here. But these TOs by Lin where he gets too deep and ends up in no mans land, can be alleviated somewhat by the floater he said he worked on in the offseason OR by having your shooters move along the arc with the PG.

Football correlation: Jason Witten of the Cowboys is great at sneaking into the zone defense and finding the hole to provide a passing lane. As a PG probes into the interior, the wing shooters can either stand and wait for the pass or shuffle their feet along the arc and keep in a passing lane. It's all part of court awareness. I personally thought Steve Novak was great at this with Lin during Linsanity. Probe probe probe ..... shuffle shuffle shuffle .... kickout... nothing but net. This comes from awareness and familiarity IMO. I also think Wesley Johnson & Nick Young do not have this "shuffle the arc" awareness.

3/4 of the way down Goldsberry's elaborate article today on Westbrook's Assist Efficiency, Ibaka & Morrow talk about how important it is for the shooters to find the right spot & lanes.

http://grantland.com/features/russell-the-creator-westbrook-nba-oklahoma-city-thunder-western-conference-kevin-durant-serge-ibaka-kevin-love/?ex_cid=story-twitter

Again building on this point of shooters having "shuffle the arc" awareness, the top post in reddit r/nba is "SloMo" Anderson of the Spurs getting the immediate hook because he didn't properly provide access to the corner 3.

http://gfycat.com/LastSlimyEider

[Chapelchilla]

I went to the game yesterday and mostly liked what I saw. Lin was especially good. He needs more minutes!

[ChokeFasncists]

Dwight should be included?

[amcoolio]

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[Lorenzomax7]

Dwight should be included?

Oh... I totally forgot about him lolllllllllllll

Dwight Howard, B can be A- if he really likes to play PnRs and run the floor every time.
- Great roll-man but not a fan of it
- Great rim-protector but not that great defending the PnRs
- Fantastic on the boards
- Good passer back to the basket
- Below average efficiency on post-up plays

[anthoang]

https://streamable.com/c7dv

just putting this out there. Credits to reddit. Seems like hornet has no answer when opponents trap the PnR. There was no offball movement at all.

This play shows you how easy it will be for the Hornets to score baskets once the Bigs know how to roll to the basket. In both PnR scenarios, Atlanta doubled on Lin with a trap. That left Hawes and Kamensky wide open to roll to the basket for a dunk or layup... but instead, both the Bigs stood around the three-point line... which resulted in no spacing and small passing windows.

The Hawks see Lin as a threat and it was their game-plan to have him pass the ball. The other players should learn how to see the openings and attack the basket if this happens.

[Watchlist]

I really think jeremy lin should start, eithier at PG or if u don't want kemba of the bench start him at SG, I mean he worked on his shooting over the summer. Look at this video he goes 10 for 10. We need more shooting with big Al on the floor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiPq_RvCjNM