The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread (workout on 18th)

[captaincrunk]

i find it ironic that they use iggy has his best case and gerald wallace as his worst case. am i the only one that would take a prime crash over a prime iggy?

any day of the week, yeah.

[captaincrunk]

and really his floor isn't crash, it's brewer

[fatlever]

and really his floor isn't crash, it's brewer

i dont agree with that part. i think he is clearly a superior talent to brewer when brewer was in college. floor somewhere above brewer but below crash. maybe thabo with better handle and better offense, better rebounding and more aggressive offensively.

i dont get the iggy comparisons though. iggy has great handles and great passing instincts and even coming out of college was considered a bit of a point forward.

[captaincrunk]

and really his floor isn't crash, it's brewer

i dont agree with that part. i think he is clearly a superior talent to brewer when brewer was in college. floor somewhere above brewer but below crash. maybe thabo with better handle and better offense, better rebounding and more aggressive offensively.

i dont get the iggy comparisons though. iggy has great handles and great passing instincts and even coming out of college was considered a bit of a point forward.

Just because he looks superior doesn't mean he'll surely be superior. floors are floors for a reason. Thabo was on a all defensive team, are you willing to give that honor to him already?

[fatlever]

all we have to go on right now is that he looks superior, both with the eyeball test and statistically (when comparing the players at the same age). what else do you want me to base my floor opinion on?

watching MKG, i dont see any way he isnt better than corey brewer, therefore i personally have his floor higher than brewer. i dont agree with corey brewer as his floor.

i also don't believe his floor is as high as gerald wallace, therefore i personally have his floor lower than wallace. i dont agree with wallace as his floor.

i think his floor lies in between these two players. i can reasonably convince myself that there is no way he is worse than brewer and i can also reasonably convince myself that its possible he is never as good as wallace.

[captaincrunk]

i think his floor lies in between these two players. i can reasonably convince myself that there is no way he is worse than brewer and i can also reasonably convince myself that its possible he is never as good as wallace.

He doesn't have to be worse than brewer for brewer to be his floor. Just has to equal him in the worst case scenario, so to speak? I dunno, maybe my conception of "floor" is way off

[fatlever]

sorry, let me rephrase, i said "worse than brewer", but i meant, same as = floor. i dont see any way that MKG isnt a better pro than brewer. i just dont see it. just my two cents though.

[TheKingofSting]

Watching those highlights he reminds me of Corey Maggette when he was at Duke. (offensively)

I thought I could remember Maggs hitting a good many 3's but I could be wrong.

[fatlever]

Rick Bonnell: Sounds like Thomas Robinson here in a week. Wouldn't surprise me if Kidd-Gilchrist is here Monday Twitter

[Liver_Pooty]

If Gilchrist' floor was a Gerald Wallace type he would be the consensus number 2 no questions asked.

[HornetJail]

No one's FLOOR is all-star talent. Floor is usually a comparison to what they might be if their career completely flops over.

[BigSlam]

i dont see any way that MKG isnt a better pro than brewer.

Why?

[fatlever]

i dont see any way that MKG isnt a better pro than brewer.

Why?

my feel-o-meter says so. haha.

brewer, even as a junior was never half the rebounder MKG is as a freshman. thats a big edge to MKG. i think MKG has a better motor. probably a better defender (or at least as good as a defender as a freshman as brewer was as a junior, but even that i think is underselling MKGs defense. also appears to have a better handle, allowing him to be better off the dribble and handling the ball in traffic. and then you add all the talk of people who are around MKG on a daily basis and they all say the same thing, that he works harder than anyone they have ever seen. not to say that brewer was a slacker, because i have no evidence to suggest that, but i dont recall anyone talking about brewer being the hardest working, most driven player they have ever seen. so i give the intangible edge to MKG.

similarities, defensive small forwards with broken jumpers and limited offensive skills. but everything brewer was doing as a junior, MKG feels like he is slightly better in all areas as a freshman.

thats just my two cents. you know i dont watch a ton of college hoops anymore, so i could be totally off. but my eyeballs tell me MKG is a much better prospect than brewer.

that being said, i dont think MKG can live up to #2 hype, but then again, i dont think any of the other 4 guys can either. it will probably be somone outside the top 6 who ends up being the 2nd best player (or even best player) in this draft.

for example (lets take davis out of this). here's the bet - in five years who will be the best player in this draft? you can either choose the group of beal, barnes, drummond, thor and MKG or you can take everyone else. i would choose everyone else.

ok i will shut up now. i wish this finals game was more interesting, but its not, so i ramble.

[fatlever]

wait, not done yet... PLUS, MKG is stronger than brewer. brewer was never really strong enough to play small forward. too skinny. this forced brewer to play out of position at sg where he was exposed because he couldnt really dribble or shoot. MKG will be strong enough to guard small fowards. MKG wont get tossed around in the paint. another big edge to MKG.

[fatlever]

more? OK. MKG has 50 lbs on brewer. FIFTY LBS!!!!! thats a pretty enormous difference. brewer 6-8 185, MKG 6-7 233. this means MKG can guard guys like lebron on defense and not get thrown around like a rag doll. also means he can go into the paint, take a beating and not get knocked off balance. and also gives reason to think MKGs great rebounding numbers will translate to NBA.

[fatlever]

good or bad?

The prospect of joining a losing NBA team made Kidd-Gilchrist visibly ill, and he admitted that he would probably “cry some nights” if his team is consistently adding notches to the loss column. Unless a non-playoff team moves up to get him at No. 2, Kidd-Gilchrist is almost assured some rough times – but he doesn’t necessarily believe that is the case if the Wizards select him third overall. “I mean, with John [Wall] and Nene? I think it’s a playoff team,” Kidd-Gilchrist said, matter-of-factly, when asked how he would fit in Washington. Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... _blog.html

[Jaruff]

Red flag imo. Reminds me of Stephen Jackson.

Great when he's happy, a pile of crap when he's not.

[Badd_Intentions]

My godness, he may not want to come here or washington if that's the case.

[Liver_Pooty]

I don't see anything wrong with hating to lose.

But thats just me.

[James Gatz]

I don't see anything wrong with hating to lose.

But thats just me.

Couldn't resist