2013 NBA draft prospects chatter

[SWedd523]

So then he's not a SF either. He's a PF playing out of position and we're hurting his development, right?

He is a great ballhandler for a SF which allows him to draw fouls, also he lacks ideal hieght for a PF, MKG should become what prime Shawn Marion was, a guy who utlilizes his athleticism to score inside at will while also being an elite defender- except MKG has better handles and more speed. That stated its important to have range in your starting 5 so that teams cant shut them down with zone consistently, if we were to shift MKG into the 2 slot and put Alex P. (too lazy to spell that awesome last name) at the 3 we would have no 3pt threat in our starting 5...

So basically you're agreeing that having a certain position is pointless when guys have different skillsets than what those positions dictate. All I was looking for

[JMAC3]

Alright Time for me to get in on the fun of this thread.

Top 10 Prospects right now

1. Cody Zeller- A complete player. Can rebound, block shots, post up, shoot, good free throw shooter, high bball IQ, and a winner. Not an elite athlete and pretty average wingspan.

2. Shabazz Muhammad- Just a born scorer, he is gonna fill it up, but he does not impact game in other areas. Needs to work on his range, going to his right, and not relying on his strength so much.

3. Archie Goodwin- This kid has exploded onto my radar, he is the definition of a scorer. He has good size at 6'5'' and is extremely athletic. He has a very good midrange game off the dribble, gets to the rim at will, and has shot the three very well so far 5 of 7 from deep. His shot looks good and seems like he has the stroke to be a great shooter. Also, has been elite at getting to the free throw line thus far averaging over 9 attempts a game. Is playing some point so far, but seems more like a 2 guard. Seems to be a Dwayne Wade type player.

4. Nerlens Noel- I have been impressed with him so far this year. Is he Anthony Davis? No. but he is extremely fluid athlete for his size, seems to have great hands catching the ball, and can finish with either hand. Also, is showing great shot blocking abilities. Havent seen him take too many jumpshots to know what that projects to be like longterm, but struggles from the freethrow line. I think he is a better version of Biz already.

5. James Michael Mcadoo- This marks the start of the second tier players for me. Mcadoo seems to want to be more a small forward then a power forward to me. He takes tough shots for no reason too much. I get a Marcus Morris Vibe from him. Not always engaged in the game, a Tweener, and seems a bit selfish. Hasn't shown much shot blocking, but is a solid rebounder.

6. Alex Poythress- Seems like a Terrence Jones type player to me. He is a tweener, who can do a bit of everything and has a great NBA body. I think he will be compared to MKG, but to me they are different players. Poythress uses his athleticism on the offensive boards for highlight plays, whereas I think MKG is more of a scrapper and will do whatever the team needs. Poythress hasnt done much outside of score and rebound thus far. Averaging under 1 assist, block and steals per game.

7. Rudy Gobert- Needs to add weight, but he is a legit 7-1 at least and his wingspan is 7-9. He is basically Biz but taller and longer. His offensive game reminds me of Brandon Wright with little floaters in the lane. When he hangs from the rim his feet are nearly on the ground.

8. Alex Len- Another 7 footer with decent offensive post game. Needs to work on his toughness and defense. He could be a Roy Hibbert type player in the league. Had a great game against Kentucky and you always like to see players raise play for big games.

9. Steven Adams- Another 7 footer who has great timing on shot blocks. He is not as athetic as Noel or Gobert, but he may have the best offensive game of the three. It will be interesting how he holds up in the Big East this year.

10. Tony Mitchell- Gets compared to Thomas Robinson too much, because they both were seen as tweeners and out muscled their opponent. I am not too impressed with Robinson so far in the league so this turns me off Mitchell some. Especially since he is shorter, plays against week competition, and his numbers are less impressive.

Sorry for the long read. First time I have really wrote anything on these guys this year.

[catch20two]

I really dislike this upcoming 2013 draft class. I don't even want to waste my time trying to pick a star out of this bunch. Only probably Shabazz Muhammad has a higher ceiling than borderline all-star and Alex Poythress has potential to become something special but I wouldn't bank on it. This is the type of draft that I'd be happy with drafting somewhere in the mid-to-late 1st round and find a serviceable role player with less expectations.

[HornetJail]

Lots of big men. Whatever happens, we have to pick an offensive-minded big man (or equal off. and def.-minded). I will be very disappointed if that doesn't happen.

[SWedd523]

Hope guys are watching the ACC B10 challenge tonight with tons of interesting players in both games.

Michigan currently playing NC State
UNC playing Indiana directly after


Purvis, Leslie, Howell, Warren for State
Hardaway Jr, Robinson III, Burke, McGary for Michigan

McAdoo, Hairston, Bullock, Johnson for UNC
Zeller, Watford for Indiana

[countryboi]

Alex Poythress, Archie Goodwin and Shabazz Muhammad are the only guys i like....if we walk away from this draft with poythress i wouldnt be mad at all

[SWedd523]

Zeller has looked really good tonight. He's put on a good bit of upper body muscle in the offseason, which should bode well for his continued weight gain

[KembaWalker]

not to sold on this draft class at all. Zeller, Poythress, Shabazz may be pretty good tho i don't see any stars. wouldn't draft McAdoo in the first round

[lmcguir5]

I think that this draft is going to have a lot of foreigners fill in the gaps. It wouldn't be unreasonable to hear about a Jan Vesely, or a Jonas Valunciunas come into the picture late in the agenda. Besides that, we shouldn't be jumping off the cliff about the strength of this draft already. We're all of 5-6 games into a 31-33 game season. There's plenty of time for someone to prove they deserve consideration as well as guys to lose draft stock

[mrknowitall215]

Rudy Gobert is the foreigner that's already in the picture as a top 10 pick

[They_Them_Hatin]

My dream scenario we draft shabazz, mkg and biz grow 2 inches over the summer.
In summer league we have a starting roster of
Pg kemba
Sg shabazz
Sf Jeff Taylor
Pf mkg
C biz

And we suck enough or get lucky to land jabari parker who would be another scorer for us next year while mkg learns to play pf and biz adjust with starter minutes.

[lmcguir5]

My dream scenario we draft shabazz, mkg and biz grow 2 inches over the summer.
In summer league we have a starting roster of
Pg kemba
Sg shabazz
Sf Jeff Taylor
Pf mkg
C biz

And we suck enough or get lucky to land jabari parker who would be another scorer for us next year while mkg learns to play pf and biz adjust with starter minutes.

Now granted you did say that it was the summer league roster, but it's still wildly inappropriate to consider playing MKG at the 4. The guy is 6-7 and doesn't play like that much of a big. I like Bazz as a talent, I'm just wondering if he really fits our team or not.

[Kembastockton]

My rankings right now

Shabazz- He is a star in the making. He may not be a true franchise player, but he might be good enough to with along with MKG and Kemba begin to generate serious free agent interest in Charlotte.

Zeller- I know. I have been trashing him ever since I found out about the 6'8 wing span, but I can never discount a seven footer who runs, shoots, and hustles like he does. I keep getting this image of young Kevin Mc Hale.

Poythress- To much of an athlete. He is a double double waiting to happen.


Nerlens- Funny name, Funny hair cut, but nothing funny at all about his defensive potential. Like someone else already said he is better than Biz right now.

Archie Goodwin- JMac said what I have been thinking, but wasn't near ready to say. This kidd is scarily reminiscent of DWade.

Rudy Gobert- 7'9 wing span

Mason Plumley- Potential throw back blue collar four. Nothing fancy just put him down for 10 and 10 every night.

My dream scenario we draft shabazz, mkg and biz grow 2 inches over the summer.
In summer league we have a starting roster of
Pg kemba
Sg shabazz
Sf Jeff Taylor
Pf mkg
C biz

And we suck enough or get lucky to land jabari parker who would be another scorer for us next year while mkg learns to play pf and biz adjust with starter minutes.

Ok Wakey Wakey. MKG, Shabazz, and Jabari Parker? Why don't you just wish for a block buster trade that lands Harden, Lebron, and Carmelo. The chances are about equal.

[Eoghan]

idk but at 2014 draft we must draft james birsen guy, he is hedo turkoglu on steroids and i predict him a grant hill like peak cuz i watch him turkish basketball league he plays significant minutes while he is still 17.

Right on, thanks for the insight on the foreign tip.


Stylistically, in terms of need, I think Noel or Muhammed is at the top of my draft board right now. Shabazz obviously b/c of scoring but Noel over guys like Zeller, Gobert, etc b/c Noel absolutely loves to bang on people. The only big we have that likes to or can dunk on people is Mullens, Biz has that Euro-finesse mindset and Woody is too old. Noel brings his lunch pail into the paint every game and his aggressiveness will greatly behoove our rebounding and interior scoring. Zeller isn't athletic enough/plays too small, Plumlee isn't athletic enough/too small, Adams is just super raw and foreign so who knows, Len is too slight and unathletic.

If I can come out of this draft with a bigger, younger Faried with upside I am running away laughing.

[Kembastockton]

Stylistically, in terms of need, I think Noel or Muhammed is at the top of my draft board right now. Shabazz obviously b/c of scoring but Noel over guys like Zeller, Gobert, etc b/c Noel absolutely loves to bang on people.

I can dig that. We could definitely use a bruiser. I like the fact that he hustles too. That means garbage points.

Zeller isn't athletic enough/plays too small, Plumlee isn't athletic enough/too small,

You know they said the same thing about Kevin Love right?

I don't know what you are talking about anyway. These two are the most dominating big men in the NCAA right now. 22 and 17 last night. How the heck is that playing small?

[SWedd523]

Plumlee is a fantastic athlete. He set the Duke record for career dunks last night. Just under 7 feet, right around 250lb, and not at all afraid to bang or dunk on people. Averaging 20/10/2 this year as well. I think you have the wrong guy in mind. (Not that I'm a fan of his, because I'm not)

Zeller is definitely more finesse, but he's packed on a surprising amount of muscle already and didn't have any trouble against a muscle dude in McAdoo or the rest of UNC's front line. As long as his arms aren't really T-Rex then I can see him being an Aldridge type of guy which would fit perfectly with what we're building.

Not quite seeing the Noel/Faried comparison personally.


If you want a Faried type... big, nasty, bruising post player out of a small school who enjoys knocking people around, dunking on them, blocking shots, and attacking the boards, while being one of the best athletes in all of college then you should be salivating over Tony Mitchell. A little short and much more an athlete than a true basketball player, but Dunlap is just the type of coach to knock out many of his weaknesses and develop him into a scary NBA player. (not a huge fan of his either, but he's more in line with the bruiser type than Noel)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpZGKZA5ges[/youtube]

[countryboi]

I can ride with Tony Mitchell....yea he is super raw but the kid is a walking double double and can jump with anyone. i am a fan add him to the list with Poythress

edit: on a second look his weakness are troubling... inconsistent motor and dumb as a brick...yay

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6tNGmh3ieE[/youtube]

[SWedd523]

Yeah he seems like a mix between Drummond and Robinson. Don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing.


Also, watched Kentucky lose to Notre Dame tonight and other than that being a game Kentucky wants to completely forget happened, Poythress looks more like a wing than a post to me. Drafting him is fine by me as long as we plan on playing him at the three with MKG at the 2 going forward

[They_Them_Hatin]

My dream scenario we draft shabazz, mkg and biz grow 2 inches over the summer.
In summer league we have a starting roster of
Pg kemba
Sg shabazz
Sf Jeff Taylor
Pf mkg
C biz

And we suck enough or get lucky to land jabari parker who would be another scorer for us next year while mkg learns to play pf and biz adjust with starter minutes.

Now granted you did say that it was the summer league roster, but it's still wildly inappropriate to consider playing MKG at the 4. The guy is 6-7 and doesn't play like that much of a big. I like Bazz as a talent, I'm just wondering if he really fits our team or not.

You missed the part when I said I hope he grows 2 inches in the off season like Paul George.

[Stun704]

Plumlee is a fantastic athlete. He set the Duke record for career dunks last night. Just under 7 feet, right around 250lb, and not at all afraid to bang or dunk on people. Averaging 20/10/2 this year as well. I think you have the wrong guy in mind. (Not that I'm a fan of his, because I'm not)

Zeller is definitely more finesse, but he's packed on a surprising amount of muscle already and didn't have any trouble against a muscle dude in McAdoo or the rest of UNC's front line. As long as his arms aren't really T-Rex then I can see him being an Aldridge type of guy which would fit perfectly with what we're building.

Not quite seeing the Noel/Faried comparison personally.


If you want a Faried type... big, nasty, bruising post player out of a small school who enjoys knocking people around, dunking on them, blocking shots, and attacking the boards, while being one of the best athletes in all of college then you should be salivating over Tony Mitchell. A little short and much more an athlete than a true basketball player, but Dunlap is just the type of coach to knock out many of his weaknesses and develop him into a scary NBA player. (not a huge fan of his either, but he's more in line with the bruiser type than Noel)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpZGKZA5ges[/youtube]

Seems like a Portland pick target, hopefully they make the playoffs