#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

[Liver_Pooty]

ismack Biyombo | C | Charlotte Bobcats

Biyombo
Big men tend to develop more slowly compared to all of the other positions on the court. Now is the time, though, for Biyombo to show he is ready to be at least a "good" NBA player. Charlotte fans might even settle for "average." Even if his offensive game takes another season or two to develop, it's his defensive impact that needs to arrive now. After witnessing how Roy Hibbert and Marc Gasol defend the paint, Biyombo can play similarly. And he could really excel in the overly structured Vegas games. If he can dominate the paint, his coaches may begin to believe he can do similar things and merit their continued investment of time and energy into his career. Otherwise, he's headed to the scrap heap and Cody Zeller will begin to get his minutes, alongside Al Jefferson.

[lmcguir5]

Biz has looked relatively lost in this SL. I was expecting him to start crashing the glass at not quite a T-Rob rate, but something close to it. It seems as if the only times he scored so far are when his teammates just dump it into his lap with a pretty pass leaving him nearly wide open. Unlike most people, I'm not quite ready to give up on Biz, seeing as he's yet to have his full year with Pat Ewing. However, we need to start seeing him adjust better. Still seems at this point the game is moving too fast for biz

[Eoghan]

This year is a little premature to see him have a Larry Sanders turnaround. It might happen but conventionally next year will be his make or break year. Bigs almost always take a year or two but Biz started playing later than most bigs.

[Nanogeek]

This year is a little premature to see him have a Larry Sanders turnaround. It might happen but conventionally next year will be his make or break year. Bigs almost always take a year or two but Biz started playing later than most bigs.

Already looking to 2014-15 eh? Telling when the biggest Biyombo fanboy has already thrown in the towel on this coming season.

[Nanogeek]

Biz has looked relatively lost in this SL. I was expecting him to start crashing the glass at not quite a T-Rob rate, but something close to it. It seems as if the only times he scored so far are when his teammates just dump it into his lap with a pretty pass leaving him nearly wide open. Unlike most people, I'm not quite ready to give up on Biz, seeing as he's yet to have his full year with Pat Ewing. However, we need to start seeing him adjust better. Still seems at this point the game is moving too fast for biz

Biyombo is not developing. Wallace broke out in his third year, we're hoping to see Biyombo have a similar break out. But he's putting up anemic numbers against summer league talent. He's a great athlete. He's just not a good basketball player at all. The Ajinca crows are circling.

[Elden Payton]

@Nanogeek.

It has always been known that Biyombo is a project that will take 4-5 years to develop, calling @BD a fanboy because he mentions that this will most likely not be the season he has a turnaround ala Larry Sanders is blatant trolling since this will be his third season and since the start his turnaround is pegged at season 5.

In regards to your second post the reality is that Biyombo is developing, he is a much better player now than he was in season 1, that much is obvious, whether it's enough improvement is another question entirely.

Picking on a guy who lead our team in rebounds and blocks last season and who has yet to turn 21 is ridiculous.

Comparing him to Ben Wallace at this point is also pretty ridiculous unless you believe that Biyombo will be one of the greatest defensive players of all time?

[TheKingofSting]

ismack Biyombo | C | Charlotte Bobcats

Biyombo
Big men tend to develop more slowly compared to all of the other positions on the court. Now is the time, though, for Biyombo to show he is ready to be at least a "good" NBA player. Charlotte fans might even settle for "average." Even if his offensive game takes another season or two to develop, it's his defensive impact that needs to arrive now. After witnessing how Roy Hibbert and Marc Gasol defend the paint, Biyombo can play similarly. And he could really excel in the overly structured Vegas games. If he can dominate the paint, his coaches may begin to believe he can do similar things and merit their continued investment of time and energy into his career. Otherwise, he's headed to the scrap heap and Cody Zeller will begin to get his minutes, alongside Al Jefferson.

Where is that from insider?

[Nanogeek]

@Nanogeek.

It has always been known that Biyombo is a project that will take 4-5 years to develop, calling @BD a fanboy because he mentions that this will most likely not be the season he has a turnaround ala Larry Sanders is blatant trolling since this will be his third season and since the start his turnaround is pegged at season 5.

You make these utterances like the Basketball God came down and made this proclamation and that proclamation. I'd be fine if it took him 4-5 years to develop but he's displaying painfully little progress een in the areas that are suppose to be his strengths. And disagreeing with someone isn't "blatant trolling." You're just trying to bait me with comments like that. Biyombo has shown some development from his rookie season to year 2 but much less than we'd hope. And his summer league performance shows little development beyond what we saw last season. But don't take my word for it though:

Here's just a sampling:

On the other hand, Biyombo was just plain miserable. He scored three points on 1-of-3 shooting, with his saving grace being an 11-rebound effort.

At no point in the game did Biyombo look like a third-year player on the precipice of realizing his potential. Rather, he often looked like the same guy who came in completely raw in 2011. But we're talking about one game here, and it's possible Biyombo will come right back with an excellent performance in Charlotte's next matchup.

The problem is that Bobcats fans have been waiting for a long while now. Nothing that happened in Vegas on Friday made anyone any more comfortable about the future of this franchise.

Here's a piece written at the start of the Vegas summer league explaining how Biyombo should be displaying more defensive dominance this summer league, especially against crappy summer league talent (hint: he's not):

Big men tend to develop more slowly compared to all of the other positions on the court. Now is the time, though, for Biyombo to show he is ready to be at least a "good" NBA player. Charlotte fans might even settle for "average." Even if his offensive game takes another season or two to develop, it's his defensive impact that needs to arrive now. After witnessing how Roy Hibbert and Marc Gasol defend the paint, Biyombo can play similarly. And he could really excel in the overly structured Vegas games. If he can dominate the paint, his coaches may begin to believe he can do similar things and merit their continued investment of time and energy into his career. Otherwise, he's headed to the scrap heap and Cody Zeller will begin to get his minutes, alongside Al Jefferson.

Last year's summer league Biyombo averaged 8.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, and 1.8 bpg in 5 games. So far this summer league in 4 games he's averaged 7.5 ppg, 7.8 rpg, and 1.5 bpg. And he's continue to looking generally bewildered most of the game - not able to play defense intelligently but just relying on athleticism to be disruptive every now and then. As I said before, Biyombo is a great kid and a great athlete. But he's not showing an ability to play basketball at this level, to learn the game, and develop a basketball IQ and intuition. I'd like to be all cheerleader and pom poms for the guy but its growing more and more likely that this guy is going to be a bust. There, I said it.

[HornetJail]

Last year's summer league Biyombo averaged 8.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, and 1.8 bpg in 5 games. So far this summer league in 4 games he's averaged 7.5 ppg, 7.8 rpg, and 1.5 bpg. And he's continue to looking generally bewildered most of the game - not able to play defense intelligently but just relying on athleticism to be disruptive every now and then. As I said before, Biyombo is a great kid and a great athlete. But he's not showing an ability to play basketball at this level, to learn the game, and develop a basketball IQ and intuition. I'd like to be all cheerleader and pom poms for the guy but its growing more and more likely that this guy is going to be a bust. There, I said it.

Have you ever said anything positive about Bismack? Ever?

[vorbis]

i swear, this exact conversation with the exact same players has played out so many times. none of you are saying anything new. it's the exact same stuff. do you guys really want to spin your wheels on this subject all over again?

[Nanogeek]

i swear, this exact conversation with the exact same players has played out so many times. none of you are saying anything new. it's the exact same stuff. do you guys really want to spin your wheels on this subject all over again?

I'm just presenting new evidence, his summer league performance, to show that what I've been worrying about all along is increasing in its probability. And I got attacked by some, who apparently can't handle an opinion different than their own. But I'm sure as hell not going to avoid posting my view just because there are some behave in such a manner.

[Bassman]

Nanogeek is making a valid point relative to Biz' summer league results. It is worth remembering that we are not that far removed from the end of the regular season, and just a short month into the new coaching regime. To expect a lot more from Biz between the two is probably unrealistic. However, his performance against summer league talent is pedestrian at best. It is indicative of how far he has to go to become "starter" quality in this league.

I have already stated that Biz is, at best, a reserve swing player who will give energy and shot blocking. His defensive awareness is not mature, his BBIQ is still very low, and his offensive capability struggles. I want to see him after a full season with our coaches while playing his appropriate role as 4th or 5th big.

[vorbis]

I'm just presenting new evidence, his summer league performance, to show that what I've been worrying about all along is increasing in its probability.

fair point. i hope you always feel free to post your opinion, because even when you disagree you make a case for your point of view.

[Nanogeek]

Nanogeek is making a valid point relative to Biz' summer league results. It is worth remembering that we are not that far removed from the end of the regular season, and just a short month into the new coaching regime. To expect a lot more from Biz between the two is probably unrealistic. However, his performance against summer league talent is pedestrian at best. It is indicative of how far he has to go to become "starter" quality in this league.

I have already stated that Biz is, at best, a reserve swing player who will give energy and shot blocking. His defensive awareness is not mature, his BBIQ is still very low, and his offensive capability struggles. I want to see him after a full season with our coaches while playing his appropriate role as 4th or 5th big.

Fair point that it has only been 3 months sense the end of the regular season. And I think you make a great point that Biyombo may perform better as a backup big coming off the bench (a la Andersen). Of course we all hope Biyombo develops into something more but if he could give us 15 minutes a game of high energy defense and we can keep him at a reasonable price for the long term then that would at least be something.

[Eoghan]

This year is a little premature to see him have a Larry Sanders turnaround. It might happen but conventionally next year will be his make or break year. Bigs almost always take a year or two but Biz started playing later than most bigs.

Already looking to 2014-15 eh? Telling when the biggest Biyombo fanboy has already thrown in the towel on this coming season.

Uh no. I've only been saying this from pretty much day one:

If Biz crosses the Larry Sanders line next year then he'll be extremely head of the curve and all you Biz haters should eat crow the entire year. Paul Silas thought Biz was 4-5 years from being an NBA player and personally I think we'll more or less know how good Biz can be during year 4 but I'm optimistic that he'll make a noticeable jump next year because besides what you box score stat nerds can tell, Biz has made some remarkable progress as a Bobcat since day one. Maybe not a Larry Sanders type jump (yet) but definitely a "Hmm, maybe he isn't a bust after all" kind of jump.

"But why does Biz get extra time and Sanders doesn't, you're moving the goal posts" you say? Bismack was a bigger project than your typical American born and bred big man. He didn't go to college, he didn't have high-level coaching until practically the NBA, and he's younger than most college players. I'm sorry that some of you are impatient and want instant feedback but some things you just have to wait on.

It takes you a little longer to develop when you learn how to play basketball on this:

[Marvel]

So, by this logic, MKG.....ahhhh forget it.

[mrknowitall215]

Best/worst of Vegas Summer League

Who was the most disappointing veteran at Las Vegas Summer League?

Danny Nowell, Portland Roundball Society: Bismack Biyombo. Lots of veterans are disappointing by virtue of being veterans at summer league, but Biyombo was unable to leverage his experience or strength relative to younger players to stand out in any meaningful way. Third-year 7-footers should look simply too good for summer league talent, but Biyombo blended right in.

[Eoghan]

Best/worst of Vegas Summer League

Who was the most disappointing veteran at Las Vegas Summer League?

Danny Nowell, Portland Roundball Society: Bismack Biyombo. Lots of veterans are disappointing by virtue of being veterans at summer league, but Biyombo was unable to leverage his experience or strength relative to younger players to stand out in any meaningful way. Third-year 7-footers should look simply too good for summer league talent, but Biyombo blended right in.

Biz isn't 7 foot.

[mrknowitall215]

Biz isn't 7 foot.

Aye, his wingspan is

[HornetJail]

Biz isn't 7 foot.

Aye, his wingspan is

His wingspan is longer than that of Shawn Bradley and Yao Ming, doesn't stop the fact he isn't 7 feet tall.