#Spacing - Steve Clifford Thread

mrknowitall215 · Post #181 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu May 30, 2013 6:31 pm

The newest addition to the Charlotte Bobcats (soon to be Hornets) family.

Logander · Post #182 » by **Logander** » Thu May 30, 2013 6:34 pm

IDK if anyone else noticed yesterday in the press conference the telepromter guy/girl spelled Rod Higgens and Rich Sho.....lol, I was glad they got Clifford right though.

JT2006 · Post #183 » by **JT2006** » Fri May 31, 2013 1:00 am

BrotherDave wrote:Please bring Ewing in to mentor Biz. We haven't had a good big man coach, ever.

I'm digging it and count me in with the many that like Silas remaining as an asst.

charles oakley would like to speak with you

SWedd523 · Post #184 » by **SWedd523** » Fri May 31, 2013 1:16 am

This guy has a big ass watermelon head. And I'm going to miss Dunlap's snazzy suits.

Oh well. Here's to hoping this vague/random guy works out!

BeesWax · Post #185 » by **BeesWax** » Fri May 31, 2013 1:22 am

Not really vague or random. He is from the same coaching tree as Thibideaux. There have been some promising guys from there. He has been in the NBA for a long time and was being interviewed for almost every open job there was this summer.

Post #186 » by **Diop** » Fri May 31, 2013 1:52 am

SWedd523 wrote:This guy has a big ass watermelon head. And I'm going to miss Dunlap's snazzy suits.

Oh well. Here's to hoping this vague/random guy works out!

How do you rate his smile to Dunlap's though?

I think it might edge him out, just.

SWedd523 · Post #187 » by **SWedd523** » Fri May 31, 2013 2:18 am

jdm3 wrote:Not really vague or random.

Just stop. Whichever "coaching tree" he comes from does not determine how vague or random he is. Just ask some dude named Mike Wilhelm, who also worked with Thibodeau (not Thibideaux) tree and has 16 years of NBA experience. I know what you're saying, "who?"

There is no need to justify this guy to make ourselves feel better. I'm sure he was a fine assistant under the Van Gudy Bros. and I'm sure he knows he stuff. But a guy who has no head coaching experience other than 4 years at a D2 school and was not one of the "hot name" guys like Budenholzer, Shaw, Malone, and the like is going to be considered a vague or random hire.

Especially when the general reaction was "I need to look this guy up".

BeesWax · Post #188 » by **BeesWax** » Fri May 31, 2013 2:21 am

SWedd523 wrote:
jdm3 wrote:Not really vague or random.

Just stop. Whichever "coaching tree" he comes from does not determine how vague or random he is. Just ask some dude named Mike Wilhelm, who also worked with Thibodeau (not Thibideaux) tree and has 16 years of NBA experience. I know what you're saying, "who?"

There is no need to justify this guy to make ourselves feel better. I'm sure he was a fine assistant under the Van Gudy Bros. and I'm sure he knows he stuff. But a guy who has no head coaching experience other than 4 years at a D2 school and was not one of the "hot name" guys like Budenholzer, Shaw, Malone, and the like is going to be considered a vague or random hire.

Especially when the general reaction was "I need to look this guy up".

If everyone is interviewing him he is not RANDOM. Dunlap was random. He is not vague if he is noted as an interest for so many teams. I think you need to stop and grab a dictionary.

Elden Payton · Post #189 » by **Elden Payton** » Fri May 31, 2013 2:25 am

Sachmo wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:This guy has a big ass watermelon head. And I'm going to miss Dunlap's snazzy suits.

Oh well. Here's to hoping this vague/random guy works out!

How do you rate his smile to Dunlap's though?

I think it might edge him out, just.

Dunlap smiled?

:-?

SWedd523 · Post #190 » by **SWedd523** » Fri May 31, 2013 2:26 am

jdm3 wrote:If everyone is interviewing him he is not RANDOM. Dunlap was random. He is not vague if he is noted as an interest for so many teams. I think you need to stop and grab a dictionary.

Did you (or the general public) know who he was before we hired him?
Did you (or the general public) know he coached under the Van Gundy Bros. before we hired him?
Did you (or the general public) consider him a hot name among the coaching hopefuls?

BeesWax · Post #191 » by **BeesWax** » Fri May 31, 2013 2:30 am

SWedd523 wrote:
jdm3 wrote:If everyone is interviewing him he is not RANDOM. Dunlap was random. He is not vague if he is noted as an interest for so many teams. I think you need to stop and grab a dictionary.

Did you (or the general public) know who he was before we hired him?
Did you (or the general public) know he coached under the Van Gundy Bros. before we hired him?
Did you (or the general public) consider him a hot name among the coaching hopefuls?

Way to find one. Now look up random and vague.

SWedd523 · Post #192 » by **SWedd523** » Fri May 31, 2013 2:32 am

Are you avoiding the questions?

BeesWax · Post #193 » by **BeesWax** » Fri May 31, 2013 2:35 am

I considered him a hot name when it was in every single opening. The Suns, Bucks and Bobcats all had him in. I don't follow the assistants thoroughly so I personally did not know him no. Does not mean he is a random or vague. The people who hire and know coaching all were interested in him.

SWedd523 · Post #194 » by **SWedd523** » Fri May 31, 2013 2:39 am

Oh garsh, looks like the defense for this guy is very strong already.

Here's to hoping he works out better than the random-but-less-random-than-the-last-random guy we brought in

Elden Payton · Post #195 » by **Elden Payton** » Fri May 31, 2013 2:51 am

Some of us choose to look on the brightside SWedd, who are you to rain on people's parade?

@jdm3 is correct though, he's not a random from within NBA circles, does that mean that because you don't know who he is that he is a "nobody"? maybe it is your knowledge that is lacking.

SWedd523 · Post #196 » by **SWedd523** » Fri May 31, 2013 3:07 am

Sik Infant wrote:Some of us choose to look on the brightside SWedd, who are you to rain on people's parade?

I'm not saying he sucks and I'm not raining on any parade. I want him to work out. I really, really, really do! I'm just saying he's random. Because he is.

he's not a random from within NBA circles

I feel like you made that same statement last year regarding Dunlap. People can justify whichever hire in whichever way they want, but there's a reason such a "highly regarded" guy didn't get a job until now and even then it's with the team owning by far the worst reputation in the league.

does that mean that because you don't know who he is that he is a "nobody"? maybe it is your knowledge that is lacking.

Oh you got me there! Please, regale me with some of your personal Clifford anecdotes.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPkDUO6hiEM[/youtube]

SWedd523 · Post #197 » by **SWedd523** » Fri May 31, 2013 3:09 am

I just found some positive. Apparently the BRD has a degree in special education.

Looks like we found a perfect fit

Eoghan · Post #198 » by **Eoghan** » Fri May 31, 2013 3:13 am

JT2006 wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:Please bring Ewing in to mentor Biz. We haven't had a good big man coach, ever.

I'm digging it and count me in with the many that like Silas remaining as an asst.

charles oakley would like to speak with you

Oakley, the guy with terrible back pain and had to quit after one year on the job? Yeah, I'm sure he was teaching guys a lot. "Okay Biz, go do some drills for an hour, I have to go lay down."

JMAC3 · Post #199 » by **JMAC3** » Fri May 31, 2013 3:32 am

SWedd523 wrote:I feel like you made that same statement last year regarding Dunlap. People can justify whichever hire in whichever way they want, but there's a reason such a "highly regarded" guy didn't get a job until now and even then it's with the team owning by far the worst reputation in the league.
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You do realize that every coach in the league had to wait to get their first coaching job at some point. Mike Malone, Hornacek, Budenholzer and Clifford are all going to be first time head coaches in the league. Under your logic they all are bad coaches because they are just now getting a job.

Are you just hating to hate. I have not heard you say what you would of wanted instead. If we would of hired a veteran like Scott, Skiles or Gentry you would probably be clamoring about them not being successful and that they are jobless for a reason.

To me I would want to take a chance on a guy, who is going to give this his all and grow with the team. He may be the next Thibs, Pop, or great coach, whereas Scott or Gentry are unlikely to become a perenial coach of the year contender at this point in their careers.

vorbis · Post #200 » by **vorbis** » Fri May 31, 2013 3:51 am

guys, what does it matter if he's a random or vague hire or not. look at his qualifications, his history, relationships with players. it's not the great american novel here.