Gurkel: The Brian Roberts Thread

[mrknowitall215]

On topic, if it isn't done before the trade deadline, I hope Cho is prepared to acquire a better backup point guard than Brian Roberts or at least one with a better track record in the NBA of production

Just out of curiosity, do you think he is a below average backup? Can you name 15 backup PGs that would be with trading an asset for?

I could name 15 backup point guards that I'd rather have, but trading for? That depends on what's considered a asset. Should've tried to acquire a better option this past offseason with the cap space and picks. I was disappointed that we settled on Roberts as a immediate backup PG to Kemba

[yosemiteben]

Please do list those 15 backup PGs you'd rather have, I'm curious to see the list.

[mrknowitall215]

Please do list those 15 backup PGs you'd rather have, I'm curious to see the list.

I'll just go alphabetically by team

Dennis Shroeder
Evan Turner
Jarrett Jack
Aaron Brooks
Devin Harris
Jameer Nelson
D.J. Augustin
Isaiah Canaan
Jeremy Lin
Mo Williams
Reggie Jackson
Isaiah Thomas
Ramon Sessions
Cory Joseph
Greivis Vasquez

That's never minding the players like Donald Sloan, Shaun Livingston, Ramon Sessions, and Kendall Marshall that I think are better

*Note: Didn't even realize that I forgot Patty Mills

[HornetJail]

Please do list those 15 backup PGs you'd rather have, I'm curious to see the list.

I'll do it.

Isaiah Thomas
DJ Augustin
Reggie Jackson
Dennis Scroeder
Devin Harris
Jameer Nelson
Andre Miller
Cory Joseph
Jarrett Jack
Mo Williams
Donald Sloan
Patty Mills
CJ Watson
Jerryd Bayless
Greivis Vasquez
Shaun Livingston
Kendall Marshall
Mario Chalmers
Nate Robinson
Steve Blake
Ramon Sessions
Shabazz Napier

I got at least 20

[BlackOutBuzz]

Thomas and Jack are the only obvious upgrades. Then there are guys like Mo Williams, Vasquez, and Reggie Jackson who probably are. Seems like most other options are either comparable or worse.

[thruthefire]

Most of those guys have proven they can step into the starting lineup and do well. Roberts has not.

I'd put the over/under at 20.

[thruthefire]

Well, I guess he did do it for the Pelicans, but not for us.

[mrknowitall215]

Thomas and Jack are the only obvious upgrades. Then there are guys like Mo Williams, Vasquez, and Reggie Jackson who probably are. Seems like most other options are either comparable or worse.

I don't think there's a "probably" to Reggie Jackson, Greivis Vasquez, or Mo Williams (former All-Star) being better than Brian Roberts

Plenty others like Devin Harris, Aaron Brooks, D.J. Augustin, and Jeremy Lin are also unquestionably better

PG is a dime a dozen position to find a player that can be serviceable since the usual height/size of the position is more common. Roberts do not fall into the better half category

Roberts is the type of player that's only going to be successful as either a 3rd string PG on a good team or as the 2nd string PG on a team that has at least two All-Stars on relative to max-contracts so there's little room to add competent players considering the cap

[JDR720]

Greivis Vasquez
Aaron Brooks
C.J. Watson
Jerryd Bayless
Dennis Schroder
Andre Miller
Mo Williams
Patty Mills
Cory Joseph
Beno Udrih
J.J. Barea
Devin Harris
Shaun Livingston

thats 13, didn't count rookies or "starters playing backup" like Isaiah Thomas and Reggie Jackson

[catch20two]

It was easy for Roberts to play safe and try to protect his percentages for the stat gawkers off the bench in limited minutes but now he's getting exposed for the 3rd stringer that he's supposed to be unless you're kinda tanking.

His numbers significantly improved as a starter for NOP. You really need to look up stats before you try to make arguments like this.

Roberts is below average. I'd rather someone else with more skill. Wouldn't mind Roberts in Pargo's former role which is where he belong.

[fatlever]

Ramon Sessions has been awful this year. Nate Robinson is out of the league and hasn't played meaningful minutes in 2 years. Those two should be removed from the list. I also think Beno Udrih shouldn't be on anyone's list.

[catch20two]

Easy to name 15 backups better than Roberts. Langston Galloway might be better than Roberts.

[thruthefire]

Wow, I didn't even realize Nate was out of the league. Sign him up.

[yosemiteben]

I get if you want more production from the backup PG spot, but saying you'd rather have guys like Sessions who are posting worse shooting stats than Roberts or Marshall who ripped his ACL or Turner who isn't even a PG just further supports the point in my mind that people aren't being fair in how they view Roberts. He's a league average backup.

[W_HAMILTON]

Who gives a damn what Sessions is doing in Sacramento? He played alongside these players and in this system and was much better at doing so than Roberts. Sessions is still relatively young, so unless he has some injury that is causing his lowered production, odds are it's the team/system in Sacramento that is the reason why he isn't producing like he was here.

Just because Sessions, or, say, McRoberts (at least to start the season), suck elsewhere doesn't mean that they will suck if they were back on our team. Likewise, just because Stephenson and Neal were good elsewhere doesn't mean that they are good on our team right now. Sometimes certain players just are better fits, and there is no doubt that Sessions is a much better fit here in Charlotte and would be an upgrade to Roberts.

[thruthefire]

Who gives a damn what Sessions is doing in Sacramento? He played alongside these players and in this system and was much better at doing so than Roberts. Sessions is still relatively young, so unless he has some injury that is causing his lowered production, odds are it's the team/system in Sacramento that is the reason why he isn't producing like he was here.

Just because Sessions, or, say, McRoberts (at least to start the season), suck elsewhere doesn't mean that they will suck if they were back on our team. Likewise, just because Stephenson and Neal were good elsewhere doesn't mean that they are good on our team right now. Sometimes certain players just are better fits, and there is no doubt that Sessions is a much better fit here in Charlotte and would be an upgrade to Roberts.

Right on.

Anytime someone would mention losing Tolliver, all some would point to is his production in Phoenix. Well, look at what he's doing now for Detroit...

[HornetJail]

GOOD RIDDANCE MR. 2K

[euphorbus]

I thought Roberts did a good job for the team this season. In fact, so did everyone on the "third team," so despised by Coach Clifford. He was 7th in WS/48, 6th in FG%, and had a decent 4.1 assists per 36 minutes. That is a decent showing for a guy coming off the bench at haphazard times, with little chance to develop a rhythm.

[fatlever]

Hats off to Roberts, he was solid this year. Its not his fault that last year our front office thought he was good enough to be a #2 PG.

[ChokeFasncists]

BRob had a promising run with Lin in the preseason. Didn't get much chance but I thought he was pretty good at hitting tough shots. Not a very good PG tho. So long.