2015-16 Fake Trade Thread

HornetJail · Post #181 » by **HornetJail** » Fri May 22, 2015 6:35 pm

I've always liked Troy Daniels. I don't think there's any question I'd rather see him out there than PJ or Taylor, mainly because he's simply a much better shooter. With that said, unless our draft pick is as one-dimensional as Jimmer, our pick will probably see floor time before Daniels.

BeesWax · Post #182 » by **BeesWax** » Sat May 23, 2015 12:58 am

yosemiteben wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:I don't think Hairston and Daniels are any less capable then Booker would be if we drafted him.

Oh I agree there, but I think it's foolish to expect Booker to be able to play a meaningful role this year or maybe even the next.

Are you really that confident in a wing rotation that relies heavily on PJ and Daniels? I like them both, but that makes me nervous.

I have no problem with either of them playing big minutes on a normal team. I think both can get shots and knock them down in a structured offense.

Braggins · Post #183 » by **Braggins** » Sat May 23, 2015 6:39 am

Who would do this for Hezonja?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l5eggdp

Charlotte gets: Jason Thompson, Nik Stauskus, 6th pick

Sacramento gets: Cody Zeller, Brian Roberts, 9th pick, future 1st(lottery protected)

Sacramento already has a good young SG prospect in Mclemore. Stanley Johnson and WCS would be just as good fits for them as Hezonja. They could could start Collison, Mclemore, Johnson, Gay, Cousins; or Collison, Mclemore, Gay, WCS, Cousins. In both cases they would have Zeller coming off the bench as a PF/C combo that fits pretty well with all their forward/centers. They get a pick for even more additional value. They could also potentially swing the extra pick and Collison for Ty lawson and be looking pretty good.

For us, we get Hezonja and another good shooting prospect. Alternatively, we could throw in Daniels or PJ and possibly make the pick a 2nd rounder. Thompson could essentially replace the production Zeller gives us, but has more experience, and we greatly improve our shooting and wing rotation. Vonleh should be the future at PF anyways, so as much as I'd hate to see Zeller go, it might be worth it. The real question would be whether a rotation/core of:

Kemba/Mo
Hezonja/Stauskus
MKG/Lance
Thompson/Vonleh
Al/Biz

is better than:

Kemba/Mo
Johnson (or Booker)/Lance
MKG/Hairston
Zeller/Vonleh
Al/Biz

and if so, by how much and is it worth giving up Zeller and middling 1st round pick? If we have confidence in Vonleh and the buzz seems to indicate Hezonja not being available at 9, I think I might do this. I honestly don't see the downside for the Kings. Seems like the worst case scenario is that they are forced to take Porzingis at 9. They just don't need a shooter like Hezonja as much as we do and they need defense more than anything.

Kobe System · Post #184 » by **Kobe System** » Sat May 23, 2015 7:50 am

How do you guys feel about this: Jordan Hill/27/34 for Lance/9

EDIT: Reading this thread, I don't think you'll trade that pick to dump Lance's contract.

Hugo The Hornet · Post #185 » by **Hugo The Hornet** » Sat May 23, 2015 7:56 am

Kobe System wrote:How do you guys feel about this: Jordan Hill/27/34 for Lance/9

It wasn't bad idea until you mentioned our 9th pick. We need a post player like Jordan Hill who will can fill Cody Zeller spot in the start of the next season (Zeller is out for some months, recovering from shoulder operation) and to send Lance to Lakers after his bad last year in Charlotte it's not so bad idea, but I don't think Charlotte will want to lose their 9th pick.

Kobe System · Post #186 » by **Kobe System** » Sat May 23, 2015 7:59 am

Hugo The Hornet wrote:
Kobe System wrote:How do you guys feel about this: Jordan Hill/27/34 for Lance/9

It wasn't bad idea until you mentioned our 9th pick. We need a post player like Jordan Hill who will can fill Cody Zeller spot in the start of the next season (Zeller is out for some months, recovering from shoulder operation) and to send Lance to Lakers after his bad last year in Charlotte it's not so bad idea, but I don't think Charlotte will want to lose their 9th pick.

Fair enough. Thanks!

DY_nasty · Post #187 » by **DY_nasty** » Sat May 23, 2015 9:54 am

Hugo The Hornet wrote:
Kobe System wrote:How do you guys feel about this: Jordan Hill/27/34 for Lance/9

It wasn't bad idea until you mentioned our 9th pick. We need a post player like Jordan Hill who will can fill Cody Zeller spot in the start of the next season (Zeller is out for some months, recovering from shoulder operation) and to send Lance to Lakers after his bad last year in Charlotte it's not so bad idea, but I don't think Charlotte will want to lose their 9th pick.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #188 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Sat May 23, 2015 10:25 am

Braggins wrote:Who would do this for Hezonja?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l5eggdp

Charlotte gets: Jason Thompson, Nik Stauskus, 6th pick

Sacramento gets: Cody Zeller, Brian Roberts, 9th pick, future 1st(lottery protected)

It's too much from Charlotte IMHO. There are trades with Sactown that I think would work, but this one doesn't do it for me.

Braggins · Post #189 » by **Braggins** » Sat May 23, 2015 10:44 am

You have to overpay a little to move up and I don't think the value is off by much. Losing Cody really would suck but if we realistically want to add a wing with size who is a good shooter, versatile, and can defend, this is the only way we are doing that before Al and Lance come off the books. When they do there is no guarantee we will be able to sign that player in free agency. It will depend a lot on workouts, but it seems Hezonja could be the ideal player we need and I think we should push hard for him. I could see our front office really liking Hezonja. Compare his size and skill-set to the guy we just threw a max contract at in free agency last year, Gordon Hayward. He is nearly identical in size and has all the same skills Hayward does but with a lot more athleticism and upside imo. The Kings have incentive to move back in this draft as well. I really think we should try to make this happen. Hopefully he just falls to us though.

What about Zeller + Hairston + Roberts + 9th pick + 2nd round pick for Landry + Stauskus + Macullum + 6th pick?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lk7wl45

I'm not sure if they'd still be interested but it still seems like good value for them. It is slightly worse for us in the short term than the first proposal since Thompson would be better than Landry but we don't give up a 1st round pick.

stinger14 · Post #190 » by **stinger14** » Sat May 23, 2015 11:53 am

Was asked this last night by a friend. Would you do this trade right now?

Hornets get Calderon and #4 pick
Knicks get Kemba, #9 pick, protected future 1st

I mean a lot happens between now and draft night. What if Mudiay impressess Philly enough that they choose him over Russell? Things like this happen almost every year. If not, we still have our choice of Winslow or Hezonja

Post #191 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat May 23, 2015 3:50 pm

jdm3 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:I don't think Hairston and Daniels are any less capable then Booker would be if we drafted him.

Oh I agree there, but I think it's foolish to expect Booker to be able to play a meaningful role this year or maybe even the next.

Are you really that confident in a wing rotation that relies heavily on PJ and Daniels? I like them both, but that makes me nervous.

I have no problem with either of them playing big minutes on a normal team. I think both can get shots and knock them down in a structured offense.

Daniels didn't get any real PT in Minny or in Houston, other than a couple playoff games. PJ's rookie season was just like Stauskas and McLemore's - he might have done better with a lot more time but I don't think we as a team would have been better.

Eoghan · Post #192 » by **Eoghan** » Sat May 23, 2015 5:53 pm

Braggins wrote:What about Zeller + Hairston + Roberts + 9th pick + 2nd round pick for Landry + Stauskus + Macullum + 6th pick?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lk7wl45

I'm not sure if they'd still be interested but it still seems like good value for them. It is slightly worse for us in the short term than the first proposal since Thompson would be better than Landry but we don't give up a 1st round pick.

I like your first proposal but I like this one a lot more. We'd have a ton of wings and have to shake the bushes for bigs in FA though.

HornetJail · Post #193 » by **HornetJail** » Sat May 23, 2015 6:25 pm

9 and Zeller for 6 would be awesome. Fully on board with trading anything that doesn't involve Kemba, MKG, or Vonleh for that 6th pick.

Post #194 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat May 23, 2015 6:42 pm

I definitely would't trade Cody with the 9 to get up to 6.

Liver_Pooty · Post #195 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat May 23, 2015 7:03 pm

Zeller and the 9th pick to move up 3 spots? Lol. Pass on that idea.

BeesWax · Post #196 » by **BeesWax** » Sat May 23, 2015 7:38 pm

I think the value of Zeller and 9 for 6 is about right but I do not like it. I do not think the guy we take at 6 is going to be much ahead of the guy we take at 9 for our purposes. If we are going to move up we need to get to 4.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #197 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Sat May 23, 2015 8:36 pm

Remember how we moved up 12 spots by only trading Jack and Liv for Bad Porn? That deal also involved Sacramento moving back 3 spots. Let's do something like that again, maybe trade Marvin for Thompson who has an extra year on his deal.

What a terrible trade that was in hindsight. Cats and Kings have a shot at Kawhi and Klay and take Biyombo (Sorry Biz) and the Jimmer. Then Milwaukee ends up with the best player in the deal in Tobias Harris only to trade him as spare parts for a JJ Redick rental.

HornetJail · Post #198 » by **HornetJail** » Sat May 23, 2015 9:39 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Zeller and the 9th pick to move up 3 spots? Lol. Pass on that idea.

If it's the difference between getting Hezonja and having to settle for RJ Hunter or Devin Booker? I think giving up Zeller is probably worth it.

Braggins · Post #199 » by **Braggins** » Sat May 23, 2015 9:43 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Zeller and the 9th pick to move up 3 spots? Lol. Pass on that idea.

Thompsons stats are nearly identical. He doesnt have the upside but could give us most of what Cody does while Vonleh develops. I actually want Vonleh to get decent minutes next season anyways. We also pick up Stauskas. Id obviously try to give up less but I think I would do it if its what it takes.

Post #200 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat May 23, 2015 11:57 pm

BizGilwalker wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Zeller and the 9th pick to move up 3 spots? Lol. Pass on that idea.

If it's the difference between getting Hezonja and having to settle for RJ Hunter or Devin Booker? I think giving up Zeller is probably worth it.

Why on earth are we talking about taking Hunter at 9? Do folks really see that as the alternative?