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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#181 » by Soul Rebel » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:16 pm

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Soul Rebel wrote:On the Westbrook trade talk, if a scenario like this played out, would you still not want him?

The draft goes Ball/Edwards or Edwards/Ball at 1 and 2, and we select Wiseman at 3.

Then, we trade Rozier & Batum to Houston for Westbrook, 16 and a future first round pick.

We would still have the 16th and 30th pick to add more assets.

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RW puts us back in the 7-10 seed range. 2021 is noted to be one of the best drafts especially at the top in recent memory. We could get a franchise changer at pick 5. I don't want to pass that up to see RW lose his speed and bounce for the cost of 50 mil.


I too feel that concern and that would be the gamble I suppose.

I also would say that as our roster is constructed and with adding a top-3 selection this year, plus some good depth at 32, as well as an extra year's worth of growth from our current roster, I don't see us selecting in the top-5 next year. We were 8th this year and if the year continued for the full-82, could have knocked on the door of the 8th seed.

We lucked into the 3rd pick, and I am grateful for that. I see us picking possibly late lottery or maybe even mid-teens next year without Westbrook. We would miss out on the studs that everyone is drooling over in the top-8.

I truly am on the fence with Westbrook and feel that we've come this far in our rebuild, why not just wait it out one more year...especially with how empty arenas will be next year due to Covid. It's not like having a superstar like RW is going to pack more fans in Charlotte.

However, if the deal to get us RW is only losing Rozier and Batum/Zeller, while also adding the 16th pick plus perhaps another sweetener, it's hard to also say no. IMO, we would be more in the 5 or 6 range in the East too. As long as we are bringing back more assets and not losing any of our young core or draft picks, I would def listen.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#182 » by JDR720 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:45 pm

Been thinking more about WB trades, I think I am far more in the "no" camp than the "yes" camp.

He wouldn't be that expensive to get, from an asset perspective, but he doesn't make us contenders. We'd be back in the 6-8 seed range.

I don't think he fits very well with some of our young players. He is too ball dominate and isn't a good shooter.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#183 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:45 pm

Harden about to go to the Nets. So you can toss in pick 17 with 16 attached to Westbrook to the Hornets.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260297/Report-Nets-Rockets-Nearing-James-Harden-Trade
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#184 » by Rich4114 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:54 pm

Anxious to see what they give up for Harden. I also can't wait to see what happens in Brooklyn with 3 ball dominant guys on the cusp of their twilights in the biggest market in the world.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#185 » by Soul Rebel » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:01 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Harden about to go to the Nets. So you can toss in pick 17 with 16 attached to Westbrook to the Hornets.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260297/Report-Nets-Rockets-Nearing-James-Harden-Trade


What would fair value be going back to Houston considering we are the recipient of the salary dump? Could we get away with only giving away 2 of Rozier/Batum/Zeller? Would we have to throw in 32?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#186 » by BlackOutBuzz » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:10 pm

From Marc Stein, feels like projection:

In the Hornets’ case, there is a belief in some corners of the league that their appetite for a Westbrook trade increases significantly if Charlotte does not land LaMelo Ball with the No. 3 overall pick in Wednesday’s draft. Michael Jordan, Charlotte’s owner, is a known Westbrook admirer. Should the playmaking Ball be drafted before the Hornets’ turn at No. 3, according to the theory, there is a much stronger case to be made for trading for Westbrook in spite of the cost and attendant risk.


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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#187 » by stinger14 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:10 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Harden about to go to the Nets. So you can toss in pick 17 with 16 attached to Westbrook to the Hornets.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260297/Report-Nets-Rockets-Nearing-James-Harden-Trade


It's actually picks 16 and 19, but yeah if we could get both picks and RW for two of Batum, Rozier, or Cody then I probably change my mind.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#188 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:24 pm

stinger14 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Harden about to go to the Nets. So you can toss in pick 17 with 16 attached to Westbrook to the Hornets.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260297/Report-Nets-Rockets-Nearing-James-Harden-Trade


It's actually picks 16 and 19, but yeah if we could get both picks and RW for two of Batum, Rozier, or Cody then I probably change my mind.


Yeah I think Batum + Rozier for Westbrook + 16 + 19 would be a solid deal for us. We could then maybe flip Zeller for Horford + 21 + future 1st.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#189 » by driveandkick » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:30 pm

BlackOutBuzz wrote:From Marc Stein, feels like projection:

In the Hornets’ case, there is a belief in some corners of the league that their appetite for a Westbrook trade increases significantly if Charlotte does not land LaMelo Ball with the No. 3 overall pick in Wednesday’s draft. Michael Jordan, Charlotte’s owner, is a known Westbrook admirer. Should the playmaking Ball be drafted before the Hornets’ turn at No. 3, according to the theory, there is a much stronger case to be made for trading for Westbrook in spite of the cost and attendant risk.


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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#190 » by stinger14 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:34 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
stinger14 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Harden about to go to the Nets. So you can toss in pick 17 with 16 attached to Westbrook to the Hornets.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260297/Report-Nets-Rockets-Nearing-James-Harden-Trade


It's actually picks 16 and 19, but yeah if we could get both picks and RW for two of Batum, Rozier, or Cody then I probably change my mind.


Yeah I think Batum + Rozier for Westbrook + 16 + 19 would be a solid deal for us. We could then maybe flip Zeller for Horford + 21 + future 1st.


That would be a great scenario, except I think Houston would want Batum and Zeller since both expire, and Houston doesn't have a true Center right now. Rozier is a great fit on Philly. He could be listed as the starting PG, but play off the ball with Simmons as the main facilitator.

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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#191 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:41 pm

stinger14 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
stinger14 wrote:
It's actually picks 16 and 19, but yeah if we could get both picks and RW for two of Batum, Rozier, or Cody then I probably change my mind.


Yeah I think Batum + Rozier for Westbrook + 16 + 19 would be a solid deal for us. We could then maybe flip Zeller for Horford + 21 + future 1st.


That would be a great scenario, except I think Houston would want Batum and Zeller since both expire, and Houston doesn't have a true Center right now. Rozier is a great fit on Philly. He could be listed as the starting PG, but play off the ball with Simmons as the main facilitator.

Rozier
Richardson
Simmons
Harris
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Makes sense. We add Westbrook + Horford + 16 + 19 + 21. Kupchak scouted 86 players for this draft.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#192 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:43 pm

We would have a hard time attracting a free agent like Westbrook or even Horford. And to add picks 16 + 19 + 21 to pick 3 + 32 + Devonte' + Washington + Bridges + Monk gives us a solid foundation of youth. Plus we have all our future picks and a GM good at scouting talent.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#193 » by LofJ » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:48 pm

The coaching and training staff only have so much time. Three picks in a single draft is enough (the higher the better obviously). Beyond that it would be preferable to have future picks.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#194 » by stinger14 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:54 pm

LofJ wrote:The coaching and training staff only have so much time. Three picks in a single draft is enough (the higher the better obviously). Beyond that it would be preferable to have future picks.


Was just thinking that we should trade a couple for future picks..... 2021 and 2022 drafts look to be special
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#195 » by Braggins » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:03 pm

I doubt we'll be getting picks if we take Westbrook. If they are trading Harden to go into rebuild mode it doesn't really make sense for them to use picks to offload a bad contract. Also, if its a deal MJ is pushing for then you should expect it to be dumb. We'll probably be lucky to get a pure salary dump with no picks involved and could easily end up losing future picks in the deal.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#196 » by Braggins » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:06 pm

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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#197 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:45 pm

Braggins wrote:
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Just dropped. Please let this happen.

This is the Rockets attempting to drive the price up for everyone.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#198 » by LofJ » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:48 pm

Mitch needs to find someone to setup a two week getaway to a private island for MJ to sideline him so he doesn't do something stupid.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#199 » by BigSlam » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:16 am

MasterIchiro wrote:We would have a hard time attracting a free agent like Westbrook or even Horford. And to add picks 16 + 19 + 21 to pick 3 + 32 + Devonte' + Washington + Bridges + Monk gives us a solid foundation of youth. Plus we have all our future picks and a GM good at scouting talent.

You honestly think Mitch and/or especially Coach B wants to add 5 rookies at the same time to the roster?

More so; You honestly think that’d be a good idea?


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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#200 » by 316Hornets » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:37 am

Westbrook had the 13th highest jersey sales playing for Houston. He has a huge cult following. That is the reason I don't think Houston is going to give up assets in a Westbrook trade. While I personally feel like he is declining and not a star, there's Owners out there with money in their eyes who will take a chance on a former MVP. If we trade for him, it's going to be something like Rozer, Batum, #32 for Westbrook.
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