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Re: The Brandon Miller Thread 

Post#181 » by wilson115 » Fri May 26, 2023 9:12 pm

JMAC3 wrote:That along with his playmaking flashes and apg #s are on the same pace as the best facilitating wings in the NBA when compared to how far along they were as Fresh/Soph in college.

2.1 assists with the same number of turnovers per game as a 20 y.o. in his one-and-done season tracks with NBA playmaking wings? Giddey entering the NBA as an 18 y.o. and Wagner at 19 y.o. had both averaged better than double Miller's assist/turnover ratio over their (NBL and NCAA) careers.

#s-wise Miller's closer to Jalen Green who (at 18 y.o. with GLI) had about the same ATO (1.05) as Miller's coming into the league.

https://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/brandon-miller-5-player-stats
https://deanondraft.com/2021/07/03/jalen-green-vs-franz-wagner-how-much-should-creation-be-valued/
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/kings/2021-nba-draft-how-michigans-franz-wagner-fits-warriors-kings
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Re: The Brandon Miller Thread 

Post#182 » by JMAC3 » Fri May 26, 2023 9:20 pm

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JMAC3 wrote:That along with his playmaking flashes and apg #s are on the same pace as the best facilitating wings in the NBA when compared to how far along they were as Fresh/Soph in college.

2.1 assists with the same number of turnovers per game as a 20 y.o. in his one-and-done season tracks with NBA playmaking wings? Giddey entering the NBA as an 18 y.o. and Wagner at 19 y.o. both averaged better than double Miller's assist/turnover ratio and this is over their careers.

#s-wise Miller's closer to Jalen Green who (at 18 y.o. with GLI) had about the same ATO (1.05) as Miller's coming into the league.

https://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/brandon-miller-5-player-stats
https://deanondraft.com/2021/07/03/jalen-green-vs-franz-wagner-how-much-should-creation-be-valued/
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/kings/2021-nba-draft-how-michigans-franz-wagner-fits-warriors-kings


huh? these are some truly awful dudes to compare him to.
One is a pg in a pro league, one is a sg in a pro league and the other is a sf who averaged 1 apg as a freshman.
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Re: The Brandon Miller Thread 

Post#183 » by wilson115 » Fri May 26, 2023 9:40 pm

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Post#184 » by KingCat » Fri May 26, 2023 9:41 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
wilson115 wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:That along with his playmaking flashes and apg #s are on the same pace as the best facilitating wings in the NBA when compared to how far along they were as Fresh/Soph in college.

2.1 assists with the same number of turnovers per game as a 20 y.o. in his one-and-done season tracks with NBA playmaking wings? Giddey entering the NBA as an 18 y.o. and Wagner at 19 y.o. both averaged better than double Miller's assist/turnover ratio and this is over their careers.

#s-wise Miller's closer to Jalen Green who (at 18 y.o. with GLI) had about the same ATO (1.05) as Miller's coming into the league.

https://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/brandon-miller-5-player-stats
https://deanondraft.com/2021/07/03/jalen-green-vs-franz-wagner-how-much-should-creation-be-valued/
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/kings/2021-nba-draft-how-michigans-franz-wagner-fits-warriors-kings


huh? these are some truly awful dudes to compare him to.
One is a pg in a pro league, one is a sg in a pro league and the other is a sf who averaged 1 apg as a freshman.


Lol you beg for folks to back up their arguments with data but once they do, you slap it away when it doesnr fit your preferred narrative.

Miller being a playmaker at the next level is far from a guarantee. A lot of guys can look like point forwards in college, but then end up dribbling the ball off their foot in the big leagues
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Re: The Brandon Miller Thread 

Post#185 » by JMAC3 » Fri May 26, 2023 10:32 pm

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Brandon Miller is a wing in college basketball that has thousands of comps that you could compare him against.

Idk why you are choosing a PG who played in Australia, a SG who played in Gleague and a SF who as a freshman was their 4th leading scorer and a sub 20% usage rate 3rd-5th on team depending where you cut min played barrier.

Brandon Miller was their leading scorer by a fat margin, led the team in usage % at over 26% and averaged 2x the assists as Franz did as a freshman.

Even if you use Franz sophomore year he again was 3rd leading scorer and 3rd in usage at sub 20%, I would expect his turnovers to be lower if he is scoring and having the ball less.

Thousands of options, but if you think these three players are the best ones to compare then okay.
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Re: The Brandon Miller Thread 

Post#186 » by JMAC3 » Fri May 26, 2023 10:47 pm

Personally I think these make more sense, but who knows.
Brandon Ingram 2 apg, 11.4 assist %, 11.3 turnover %, 25.5 Usage %, 17.3 ppg
Jayson Tatum 2.1 apg, 12.4 assist %, 15% turnover %, 26.2 Usage %, 16.9 ppg
Brandon Miller 2.1 apg, 12.9 assist %, 12% turnover%, 26.2 usage %, 18.8 ppg
Kawhi (2 yr avg) 2.2 apg, 14.4 ass %, 13.7% turnover %, 26 usage, 14.1 ppg

Instead of the two dudes playing in other leagues and this.
Franz Wagner Fresh 1 apg, 5.9 assist%, 12.7% turnover %, 19.6 usage, 11.6 ppg
Franz Wagner Soph 3 apg, 17.4 assist%, 10.8% turnover %, 19.7 usage, 12.5 ppg
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Re: The Brandon Miller Thread 

Post#187 » by wilson115 » Sat May 27, 2023 2:50 am

JMAC3 wrote:Personally I think these make more sense, but who knows.
Brandon Ingram 2 apg, 11.4 assist %, 11.3 turnover %, 25.5 Usage %, 17.3 ppg
Jayson Tatum 2.1 apg, 12.4 assist %, 15% turnover %, 26.2 Usage %, 16.9 ppg
Brandon Miller 2.1 apg, 12.9 assist %, 12% turnover%, 26.2 usage %, 18.8 ppg
Kawhi (2 yr avg) 2.2 apg, 14.4 ass %, 13.7% turnover %, 26 usage, 14.1 ppg

Instead of the two dudes playing in other leagues and this.
Franz Wagner Fresh 1 apg, 5.9 assist%, 12.7% turnover %, 19.6 usage, 11.6 ppg
Franz Wagner Soph 3 apg, 17.4 assist%, 10.8% turnover %, 19.7 usage, 12.5 ppg

So how many prospects with an assist-to-turnover ratio nearing parity (1.0) turned into Kawhi and how many turned into Jalen Green or ended up playing in Europe or China or in another career?

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Re: The Brandon Miller Thread 

Post#188 » by Liver_Pooty » Sat May 27, 2023 6:53 am

wilson115 wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:Personally I think these make more sense, but who knows.
Brandon Ingram 2 apg, 11.4 assist %, 11.3 turnover %, 25.5 Usage %, 17.3 ppg
Jayson Tatum 2.1 apg, 12.4 assist %, 15% turnover %, 26.2 Usage %, 16.9 ppg
Brandon Miller 2.1 apg, 12.9 assist %, 12% turnover%, 26.2 usage %, 18.8 ppg
Kawhi (2 yr avg) 2.2 apg, 14.4 ass %, 13.7% turnover %, 26 usage, 14.1 ppg

Instead of the two dudes playing in other leagues and this.
Franz Wagner Fresh 1 apg, 5.9 assist%, 12.7% turnover %, 19.6 usage, 11.6 ppg
Franz Wagner Soph 3 apg, 17.4 assist%, 10.8% turnover %, 19.7 usage, 12.5 ppg

So how many prospects with an assist-to-turnover ratio nearing parity (1.0) turned into Kawhi and how many turned into Jalen Green or ended up playing in Europe or China or in another career?



Lol not going to lie I'm all about Brandon Miller but the star trek thing made me giggle.
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Re: The Brandon Miller Thread 

Post#189 » by wilson115 » Sat May 27, 2023 12:06 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Lol not going to lie I'm all about Brandon Miller but the star trek thing made me giggle.

I respect that. I'm almost 50/50 at this point myself. I'm not sure but I think that was the OG animator for the cartoon.
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Re: The Brandon Miller Thread 

Post#190 » by Liver_Pooty » Sat May 27, 2023 4:22 pm

So per WT during interviews he is refusing to answer any questions about what took place that night and just handing teams a document from his lawyer. Not sure how to feel about that.
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Re: The Brandon Miller Thread 

Post#191 » by SWedd523 » Sat May 27, 2023 4:50 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:So per WT during interviews he is refusing to answer any questions about what took place that night and just handing teams a document from his lawyer. Not sure how to feel about that.

Well duh

That's pretty standard for ongoing or potential legal cases. Don't say anything that can or will be used against you in a court of law and all that.

I wouldn't expect him to say anything without his lawyer present or speaking for him
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Re: The Brandon Miller Thread 

Post#192 » by vexco » Sat May 27, 2023 5:12 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:So per WT during interviews he is refusing to answer any questions about what took place that night and just handing teams a document from his lawyer. Not sure how to feel about that.


this is quite literally all he can do, i believe?
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Post#193 » by bravor » Sat May 27, 2023 5:33 pm

Just joking, but imagine drafting miller and having both of your young forwards suspended to start the 23/24 season :lol:

At least, there is a chance he could be trigger happy on the court

Bad jokes aside, i don't think the off court issue is that big of a deal. I have more concern about his flaws and real motor/competitiveness
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Re: The Brandon Miller Thread 

Post#194 » by JMAC3 » Sat May 27, 2023 10:11 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:So per WT during interviews he is refusing to answer any questions about what took place that night and just handing teams a document from his lawyer. Not sure how to feel about that.


Givony reporting on it again, there is a theory gaining steam that Givony is doing Mike Schmitz, his guy from their Draft Express days, a favor trying to get Miller to fall to 3 now that he is with Portland. If Portland actually wants to build around Dame still then taking Scoot makes almost no sense, but adding a wing to a team that hasn't had a good win in the last decade makes too much sense.

Even hearing the rumor that Indy would want to move up for Miller is interesting. Very very little rumors of teams dying to move up for Scoot. Apparently, Brooklyn has no interest in Scoot + Simons for Bridges.
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Re: The Brandon Miller Thread 

Post#195 » by cornchip » Sun May 28, 2023 12:39 am

bravor wrote:Just joking, but imagine drafting miller and having both of your young forwards suspended to start the 23/24 season :lol:

At least, there is a chance he could be trigger happy on the court

Bad jokes aside, i don't think the off court issue is that big of a deal. I have more concern about his flaws and real motor/competitiveness


Tbh I was more appalled by the "grown-ups" than by Miller (obviously if everything said is true).

Miller should've at least been suspended until he was thoroughly cleared. And the comments and responses by Oats were all sorts of distasteful.

I think that does legit send a terrible message to a 20 year old that can affect that person going forward.
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Post#196 » by Snidely FC » Sun May 28, 2023 12:03 pm

I don't know why they're reporting again about Miller not giving info. This isn't new insight. It was all already reported after the combine. On May 23rd Givony and Woo wrote on ESPN+:
Team executives present at interviews said Miller arrived holding a legal brief written by his attorneys informing teams that he will not be able to comment on specific details regarding the shooting.

Teams that interviewed Miller in Chicago have privately expressed some concern regarding fallout that might still come in the form of a potential lawsuit or follow-up investigation with yet-to-be-released details and were hoping to get more information directly from him.

Miller was also asked by reporters at the draft combine about what message he was hoping to convey to teams regarding the shooting, and he said the following: "The message I've presented to them is just it's all a lesson learned. You always have to be aware of your surroundings and know what you're surrounded by. I feel like the night could've changed my career in less than a heartbeat. So always be aware of your surroundings."

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Jackson (his agent) reiterated there is no pending investigation into Miller, he did not break any laws and that he is "free and clear" of any wrongdoing. "The case is still open, and Brandon has had limited communication for that reason," Jackson said. "He's been cleared from day one. We were told by the attorneys not to speak about the situation. At the right time we can have that conversation, but for now, we're leaving it alone and will let the process complete itself."

-- Jonathan Givony

There is nothing new in yesterday's "news".

Miller's agent points out that Miller was cleared by the police and has not been charged. From day 1 he has been characterized as a corroborating witness not a suspect.

I am not absolving him of anything I am simply pointing out that there is nothing new about recent "news" that he is stonewalling.

As previously posted, the Hornets are doing their due diligence "Charlotte is planning on sending its attorneys to Tuscaloosa this week to conduct their own investigation into Miller's involvement in the Jan. 6 shooting, Jackson told ESPN, and Miller plans to fly to Charlotte in mid-June for a workout and follow-up interview."
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Re: The Brandon Miller Thread 

Post#197 » by amcoolio » Sun May 28, 2023 4:06 pm

Snidely FC wrote:I don't know why they're reporting again about Miller not giving info. This isn't new insight. It was all already reported after the combine. On May 23rd Givony and Woo wrote on ESPN+:
Team executives present at interviews said Miller arrived holding a legal brief written by his attorneys informing teams that he will not be able to comment on specific details regarding the shooting.

Teams that interviewed Miller in Chicago have privately expressed some concern regarding fallout that might still come in the form of a potential lawsuit or follow-up investigation with yet-to-be-released details and were hoping to get more information directly from him.

Miller was also asked by reporters at the draft combine about what message he was hoping to convey to teams regarding the shooting, and he said the following: "The message I've presented to them is just it's all a lesson learned. You always have to be aware of your surroundings and know what you're surrounded by. I feel like the night could've changed my career in less than a heartbeat. So always be aware of your surroundings."

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Jackson (his agent) reiterated there is no pending investigation into Miller, he did not break any laws and that he is "free and clear" of any wrongdoing. "The case is still open, and Brandon has had limited communication for that reason," Jackson said. "He's been cleared from day one. We were told by the attorneys not to speak about the situation. At the right time we can have that conversation, but for now, we're leaving it alone and will let the process complete itself."

-- Jonathan Givony

There is nothing new in yesterday's "news".

Miller's agent points out that Miller was cleared by the police and has not been charged. From day 1 he has been characterized as a corroborating witness not a suspect.

I am not absolving him of anything I am simply pointing out that there is nothing new about recent "news" that he is stonewalling.

As previously posted, the Hornets are doing their due diligence "Charlotte is planning on sending its attorneys to Tuscaloosa this week to conduct their own investigation into Miller's involvement in the Jan. 6 shooting, Jackson told ESPN, and Miller plans to fly to Charlotte in mid-June for a workout and follow-up interview."


Yeesh, vibes are way off for me on Miller from that interview. Doesn't sound remorseful... I mean a woman died. Very similar to Miles Bridges' and Morant's post incident

He better nail the Charlotte workout
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Post#198 » by JDR720 » Sun May 28, 2023 8:54 pm

Right after he came back to the team, his game introduction was him being pat down.

Read on Twitter


So yeah, I don't think he takes it too seriously.
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Post#199 » by LofJ » Sun May 28, 2023 9:06 pm

I get Monk vibes from Miller, both good and bad. It's probably the primary reason why I'd rather we draft Scoot or Anthony Black.
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Post#200 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun May 28, 2023 9:14 pm

JDR720 wrote:Right after he came back to the team, his game introduction was him being pat down.

Read on Twitter


So yeah, I don't think he takes it too seriously.


To be fair he had been doing that all season.

Also to be fair he probably should've known to immediately put that to a halt.
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