Barbeque Chicken: The Cody Zeller Thread - Pt 2

[fatlever]

I assume that measurements that get fudged are often in the favor of the player, not the other way around. Seems that if Cody had a better wingspan than reported leading up to the draft his agent would have corrected that info. Eyeball test also pretty clearly shows he at least doesnt have a good wingspan.

[spaceballer]

I assume that measurements that get fudged are often in the favor of the player, not the other way around. Seems that if Cody had a better wingspan than reported leading up to the draft his agent would have corrected that info. Eyeball test also pretty clearly shows he at least doesnt have a good wingspan.

Well, if he had normal arms for his height, but his height was fudged to be greater than it is in reality, then the juxtaposition of that fudge height with his normal non-fudged wingspan would make him appear to have T-Rex arms, when the truth is that it's just normal appropriately proportioned arms.

Though the article does document cases of height being fudge both upwards and downwards, with the funny result that players can change heights whenever they change seasons or teams.

There are of course cases of the heights being fudged upwards, since you might get paid more if you're believed to be taller or have a greater standing reach or vertical.

But contrary to the expectation that height is fudged upwards "in favor" of a player, some players actually request that the height be fudged downwards so that people think they're shorter than they actually are. One such case is Kevin Durant. He didn't want to be listed as too tall, because he was afraid of being pushed into the center spot. So when he first reported to the Thunder, he asked the guy getting everyone's measurements for the announcers and publicity materials to list him as shorter than he actually is. Technically, he didn't lie, since he used his barefoot height while everyone else used their height with shoes.

Anyway, getting back to Cody, perhaps his height was fudged upwards, exacerbating any perspective of having "T-Rex" arms.

[fatlever]

Yeah, I read said article a few weeks ago. I always remember Garnett refusing to admit he was 7 feet tall. I don't know why height has always been such a mystery in basketball. Why not just have the NBA measure every player in bare feet before each season and then use that height for the year. Have 3rd party do it in training camp or something. And stop reporting height in shoes. Just do bare feet like the rest of the world.

I guess its possible Cody is shorter than he says making his wingspan less pathetic, but that seems like a bit of a stretch.

[ChokeFasncists]

He should try to develop some sort of a hook shot, like Kevin Willis

[BeesWax]

I assume that measurements that get fudged are often in the favor of the player, not the other way around. Seems that if Cody had a better wingspan than reported leading up to the draft his agent would have corrected that info. Eyeball test also pretty clearly shows he at least doesnt have a good wingspan.

Well, if he had normal arms for his height, but his height was fudged to be greater than it is in reality, then the juxtaposition of that fudge height with his normal non-fudged wingspan would make him appear to have T-Rex arms, when the truth is that it's just normal appropriately proportioned arms.

Though the article does document cases of height being fudge both upwards and downwards, with the funny result that players can change heights whenever they change seasons or teams.

There are of course cases of the heights being fudged upwards, since you might get paid more if you're believed to be taller or have a greater standing reach or vertical.

But contrary to the expectation that height is fudged upwards "in favor" of a player, some players actually request that the height be fudged downwards so that people think they're shorter than they actually are. One such case is Kevin Durant. He didn't want to be listed as too tall, because he was afraid of being pushed into the center spot. So when he first reported to the Thunder, he asked the guy getting everyone's measurements for the announcers and publicity materials to list him as shorter than he actually is. Technically, he didn't lie, since he used his barefoot height while everyone else used their height with shoes.

Anyway, getting back to Cody, perhaps his height was fudged upwards, exacerbating any perspective of having "T-Rex" arms.

It is likely more the NBA norm vs real norms that really push this. There was an article that said the average difference in wingspan to height is 2.1 but using the draft express database it was 4.4 inches. Cody measured at the combine at even 6'10.75" in both which would put him below average for a man and well below average for a NBA player. Add to that a standing reach measured at 8'10" and I would be that is where it comes from. I tend to only go off the combine stuff because I would assume it is the most consistent from year to year in how it is done.

[spaceballer]

I assume that measurements that get fudged are often in the favor of the player, not the other way around. Seems that if Cody had a better wingspan than reported leading up to the draft his agent would have corrected that info. Eyeball test also pretty clearly shows he at least doesnt have a good wingspan.

Well, if he had normal arms for his height, but his height was fudged to be greater than it is in reality, then the juxtaposition of that fudge height with his normal non-fudged wingspan would make him appear to have T-Rex arms, when the truth is that it's just normal appropriately proportioned arms.

Though the article does document cases of height being fudge both upwards and downwards, with the funny result that players can change heights whenever they change seasons or teams.

There are of course cases of the heights being fudged upwards, since you might get paid more if you're believed to be taller or have a greater standing reach or vertical.

But contrary to the expectation that height is fudged upwards "in favor" of a player, some players actually request that the height be fudged downwards so that people think they're shorter than they actually are. One such case is Kevin Durant. He didn't want to be listed as too tall, because he was afraid of being pushed into the center spot. So when he first reported to the Thunder, he asked the guy getting everyone's measurements for the announcers and publicity materials to list him as shorter than he actually is. Technically, he didn't lie, since he used his barefoot height while everyone else used their height with shoes.

Anyway, getting back to Cody, perhaps his height was fudged upwards, exacerbating any perspective of having "T-Rex" arms.

It is likely more the NBA norm vs real norms that really push this. There was an article that said the average difference in wingspan to height is 2.1 but using the draft express database it was 4.4 inches. Cody measured at the combine at even 6'10.75" in both which would put him below average for a man and well below average for a NBA player. Add to that a standing reach measured at 8'10" and I would be that is where it comes from. I tend to only go off the combine stuff because I would assume it is the most consistent from year to year in how it is done.

The problem is that the combine measurements are fudged. Especially the standing reach measurement, according to the article. Players would come in with ridiculously high shoes for the standing reach measurement, and then change shoes when it came to actually playing or doing other measurements.

The only two combine measurements not prone to fudging would seem to be the barefoot height and wingspan. Everything else would seem to be affected by the type of shoe worn.

[BeesWax]

Well, if he had normal arms for his height, but his height was fudged to be greater than it is in reality, then the juxtaposition of that fudge height with his normal non-fudged wingspan would make him appear to have T-Rex arms, when the truth is that it's just normal appropriately proportioned arms.

Though the article does document cases of height being fudge both upwards and downwards, with the funny result that players can change heights whenever they change seasons or teams.

There are of course cases of the heights being fudged upwards, since you might get paid more if you're believed to be taller or have a greater standing reach or vertical.

But contrary to the expectation that height is fudged upwards "in favor" of a player, some players actually request that the height be fudged downwards so that people think they're shorter than they actually are. One such case is Kevin Durant. He didn't want to be listed as too tall, because he was afraid of being pushed into the center spot. So when he first reported to the Thunder, he asked the guy getting everyone's measurements for the announcers and publicity materials to list him as shorter than he actually is. Technically, he didn't lie, since he used his barefoot height while everyone else used their height with shoes.

Anyway, getting back to Cody, perhaps his height was fudged upwards, exacerbating any perspective of having "T-Rex" arms.

It is likely more the NBA norm vs real norms that really push this. There was an article that said the average difference in wingspan to height is 2.1 but using the draft express database it was 4.4 inches. Cody measured at the combine at even 6'10.75" in both which would put him below average for a man and well below average for a NBA player. Add to that a standing reach measured at 8'10" and I would be that is where it comes from. I tend to only go off the combine stuff because I would assume it is the most consistent from year to year in how it is done.

The problem is that the combine measurements are fudged. Especially the standing reach measurement, according to the article. Players would come in with ridiculously high shoes for the standing reach measurement, and then change shoes when it came to actually playing or doing other measurements.

The only two combine measurements not prone to fudging would seem to be the barefoot height and wingspan. Everything else would seem to be affected by the type of shoe worn.

Right so his barefoot and wingspan matched making him below average for a man and even more so for an NBA player. If he was cheating he has a terrible standing reach for his height and if not he is just bad in that regard. His arms are definately short for a NBA player but how much so might be debatable.

[spaceballer]

It is likely more the NBA norm vs real norms that really push this. There was an article that said the average difference in wingspan to height is 2.1 but using the draft express database it was 4.4 inches. Cody measured at the combine at even 6'10.75" in both which would put him below average for a man and well below average for a NBA player. Add to that a standing reach measured at 8'10" and I would be that is where it comes from. I tend to only go off the combine stuff because I would assume it is the most consistent from year to year in how it is done.

The problem is that the combine measurements are fudged. Especially the standing reach measurement, according to the article. Players would come in with ridiculously high shoes for the standing reach measurement, and then change shoes when it came to actually playing or doing other measurements.

The only two combine measurements not prone to fudging would seem to be the barefoot height and wingspan. Everything else would seem to be affected by the type of shoe worn.

Right so his barefoot and wingspan matched making him below average for a man and even more so for an NBA player. If he was cheating he has a terrible standing reach for his height and if not he is just bad in that regard. His arms are definately short for a NBA player but how much so might be debatable.

Fair point.

[yosemiteben]

Right so his barefoot and wingspan matched making him below average for a man and even more so for an NBA player.

6'11" wingspan and barefoot height is below average for a man? What kind of giant world are you living in?

[yosemiteben]

Right so his barefoot and wingspan matched making him below average for a man and even more so for an NBA player.

6'11" wingspan and barefoot height is below average for a man? What kind of giant world are you living in?

[BeesWax]

Right so his barefoot and wingspan matched making him below average for a man and even more so for an NBA player.

6'11" wingspan and barefoot height is below average for a man? What kind of giant world are you living in?

The average difference for a man has a 2.1" advantage to wingspan so the ratio is below average not the height. The difference is plus 4.2" for an NBA player off the draft express database which means his ratio is even more below average for an NBA player.

[yosemiteben]

The ratio is below average not the height.

Ah, ok, I follow now.

[Mystical Apples]

I can see perimeter players low-balling their SR to "improve" their vertical numbers (the opposite situation) but not big men in 2016. Cody would gladly exchange a few inches from his laboratory rehearsed 35.5" no step vertical for a real life SR improvement.

Additionally, it's not the player's fault basketball institutions like the NBA, Nike Camp, and Team USA lack scientific method and improperly record data. The combine #'s would be controlled and repeatable if they mattered to NBA teams as much as they do to fans, but they don't.

And the very notion of measuring players in shoes recorded as height is silly. Or for that matter, a leveled shoulder SR (lol) subtracted from a non-leveled shoulder Vertec result.

[euphorbus]

Cody was chosen for the USA Select Team. Gregg Popovich will be the coach.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nba/charlotte-hornets/article82268872.html

[Braggins]

So what is this I hear about JDM3 being part of one of those African tribes where even the women are over 7 feet?

[Braggins]

Cody would gladly exchange a few inches from his laboratory rehearsed 35.5" no step vertical for a real life SR improvement.

I love the way you worded that. Similar words come to mind for me whenever I hear football fans hyping up the supposed unrivaled athleticism of NFL players compared to other sports based on their combine tests.

[SWedd523]

Cody would gladly exchange a few inches from his laboratory rehearsed 35.5" no step vertical for a real life SR improvement.

I love the way you worded that. Similar words come to mind for me whenever I hear football fans hyping up the supposed unrivaled athleticism of NFL players compared to other sports based on their combine tests.

Are you saying, on the whole, NFL players are NOT overall much more athletic than other sports?

[Liver_Pooty]

Bold prediction: Cody Zeller makes the Olympic team. Players are dropping left and right, and he'd fit well in the international style of play. I think it would be great

[BeesWax]

So what is this I hear about JDM3 being part of one of those African tribes where even the women are over 7 feet?

But our women don't have little baby arms.

[Braggins]

Well played lol