Fake Trade Thread #4

[fatlever]

PJ and Jalen are both useful players. Who can we sign who are better or cheaper?

They're the kinds of players we need more of, 3&D guys who fit with Melo.

its not that i dont want to keep both, just a cap thing.
sf/pf
hayward 31
miles 25?
pj 20?
jalen 10?
cody 8
kai 3
thor 2?
rookie ?

id also like to see hornets target a free agent vet forward who plays hard, defends and is great mentor

[fatlever]

i would prioritize dsj over jalen
i'd target both over oubre

[Diop]

i want to keep Theo, but I can see him going elsewhere after the squeeze. very solid backup

[JDR720]

PJ and Jalen are both useful players. Who can we sign who are better or cheaper?

They're the kinds of players we need more of, 3&D guys who fit with Melo.

its not that i dont want to keep both, just a cap thing.
sf/pf
hayward 31
miles 25?
pj 20?
jalen 10?
cody 8
kai 3
thor 2?
rookie ?

id also like to see hornets target a free agent vet forward who plays hard, defends and is great mentor

All that means is we need to dump Gordon, Rozier and Oubre. For age, fit and injury reasons. Plumlee too, since Mark and Nick need to play.

[JDR720]

PJ on a 4/80M contract is better than Rozier's contract.
Jalen is a good 3&D player, 10M isn't much for him.
Miles is an All-Star if he isn't being insane.

Need to get rid of Gordon's 31M. Thankfully he is expiring after this season.
Rozier's contract is terrible, might not have many options to dump him.
Need to trade Plumlee for something, that clears out 9M to pay Nick.
Get rid of Oubre.
Get rid of Bouknight.

Plenty of ways to both retain younger talent, while clearing out some cap space.

[fatlever]

in addition to dumping our vets, retaining youth... hornets have to find some hard working, tough, no bull, role model vets to add to lockerroom. terry, kelly, mason and gordom just arent those dudes.

[JMAC3]

I wouldn't trade Jalen for a small asset. At least a late 1st, IMO.

McDaniels is a tweener not only on the court but also in trade value. He is about to be 25, which is really young for productive players to change teams. We typically see most guys stay with same team through second contract. That is partly why I am sure teams are interested in Jalen.

Also, he has a mini cap hold of under 2 million, which is like gold for teams holding his bird rights. The suns for instance, are about to blow all their money on Cam Johnson leaving them no room to sign McDaniels unless they can get him for MLE, which will be super competitive dollar amount most teams can offer. If they acquire him now it makes it super easy for them retain him which is why I am sure they are interested. That would allow them to use MLE on another player.

The question is, does McDaniels fetch a first in return? I am not sure, but if I am Hornets I am not moving him for a couple of seconds because he still is young cheap and improving. Hornets aren't going to give him away to help a playoff team supplement their bench for the next 2-3 years.

[Diop]

yeah id rather gamble can achieve something in the offseason than lose one of our young players for a 2nd round pick.

2nd round picks are pretty much worth little to nothing in my eyes

[HornetJail]

yeah id rather gamble can achieve something in the offseason than lose one of our young players for a 2nd round pick.

2nd round picks are pretty much worth little to nothing in my eyes

this. I'd trade Jalen for a 1st but if the top offer is a 2nd or two, pass and try to re-sign him

[Diop]

in addition to dumping our vets, retaining youth... hornets have to find some hard working, tough, no bull, role model vets to add to lockerroom. terry, kelly, mason and gordom just arent those dudes.

Joe Ingles, Aaron Baynes and Patty Mills.

[JMAC3]

Suns are a playin team now so their fans will sell us that their pick is too high... Even though they are 2 games back from 5 seed.

While missing Booker for 12 games, CP3 for 15, Cam Johnson for 33...

They are starting Torrey Craig, Cam Payne... Josh Okogie, Damion Lee and Jock Landale play real minutes for them.

Can see it now though... Rozier, McDaniels and Oubre are probably only worth 1 first combined.... even though they would play 80 minutes a night for them haha.

[shrink]

If a player is so valuable that his half season rental (plus rfa matching rights EDIT: He’s a UFA? Come on) is worth a 1st, you can’t simultaneously assume that in free agency, the most any team will offer him is just $10 mil, and you’ll just match a reasonable offer. This is especially true next summer, with not much talent in free agency and a lot of buyers. Keeping Jalen’s rights, or any RFA, are likely to simply give a team the right to match an expensive offer from one of the other 29 teams.

If you want him to keep him, offer him an extension. If you can’t reach a number now and you’re on the fence, good luck in free agency when 29 teams are allowed to make him offers. I’d get something in trade for the development you put in - even small progress that might help down the line. His production the rest of the season doesn’t have much value to a tanking team, so right now, he’s more valuable to others than to you.

[Braggins]

They shouldnt trade McDaniels (unless someone wants to overpay) and they should resign him.

[NCHeels2008]

yeah id rather gamble can achieve something in the offseason than lose one of our young players for a 2nd round pick.

2nd round picks are pretty much worth little to nothing in my eyes

this. I'd trade Jalen for a 1st but if the top offer is a 2nd or two, pass and try to re-sign him

I'd take a top 5 2nd if paired with something else

[bubowskee]

FWIW having two quality forwards for less than 30 million isn't bad. Jalen and PJ both have shown they are outstanding bench players who also can start when needed. Getting that level of versatility and skill is hard to do so we should try to keep them. No reason to trade one or the other just cause they overlap in one of the most important role player archetypes

[JMAC3]

Decent chance this is Gordons last year with team. I do not think we will be able to move him at deadline.

However, heading into next season as an expiring I could see a team taking a chance on him. I just wouldn't make any long term decisions on other players because Hayward is in the fold still.

[bubowskee]

If his play this season is anything to go by, it's more likely that we waive and stretch Hayward than a team actively giving up stuff to trade for him

[bubowskee]

Also, I can't help but think we should try to be buyers at the deadline. We are so far under water that any improvements won't hurt our lottery odds too much. Plus, we should be looking to build around LaMelo. I'm thinking specifically about Gary Trent and how he is on the market. He is younger and less of a ball hog than Oubre while still being a good shooter and scorer. He would be a nice 2 guard for LaMelo to play off.

I think Toronto would rather pay Oubre 12-15 a year than give Trent 18-20 so there's a chance we can do Oubre and a second for him.

It would be a way for us to build for the future while not just trading our veterans for a second or two, something Mitch has always refused to do

[fatlever]

Suns "we will give you a 2023 1st round pick for Jalen"
Mitch "hmm... how about, instead of a 1st round pick, you give us three 2nd round picks in 2027?"
Suns "Done!"
[Mitch, hangs up phone, leans over to Jordan's cousins in the war room]
Mitch "i just got us 3 more 2nds. thats like 12 we have now. am i good, or what?"
Jordan's cousins "whatever dude, we dont care. we're just here because uncle mike gave us jobs"

i basically view the hornets front office as the basketball version of Succession, where everyone is cousin Greg.

[JDR720]

Even better, Jalen for 3 2nds + Bismack.