Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

[SeanBobcats]

Could Kemba for Fultz + Bayless and the Lakers/Kings pick be possible? I doubt Philly would wanna give up on Fultz yet but this could be a deal to lure Lebron. Imagine a lineup of Kemba/Covington/Simmons/Lebron/Embiid

For us, we're just trying to get as good value as possible. Fultz is a risk but definitely worth taking. Plus that Lakers/Kings pick could be gold

[Belf]

Trade #1
Bulls get:
Kemba, Batum (and Kaminsky?)

Honets get:
Niko Mirotic, Kris Dunn, Quincy Pondexter, Paul Zipster (and a lottery protected 1st next year?)

PG: Dunn | Carter-Williams | Stone
SG: Lamb | Monk
SF: Kidd-Gilcrest | Williams
PF: Mirotic| O'Bryant
C: Howard | Zeller

Now here me out. The Bulls aren't good so I'd forgive ya'll for not knowing much about them. Now we've been amazing since Mirotic returned from injury to start the season. we started the season 3-20 without Niko, but we are 15-8 since he came back. He's playing lights out and really spaces the floor well. He's also under contract for next year at 12.5m which is a steal compared to his current production. He'll be even better as a starter because you can flow your offense through him. Kris Dunn is having a breakout season (after being rookie ruined by Thibs in Minnesota). He's a good young guard who is really picking up the game quickly. He's also hit some clutch game winner's for the Bulls this season. He's being compared to a young John Wall by some of our fans. The other guys can be cut for salary or roster space.
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Trade #2
Bulls get:
Kemba Walker, Dwight Howard, and Kaminsky

Honets get:
Robin Lopez, Kris Dunn, Q. Pondexter, P. Zipster, and Bobby Portis

PG: Dunn | Carter-Williams | Stone
SG: Batum | Lamb | Monk
SF: Kidd-Gilcrest | Williams
PF: O'Bryant | Portis
C: Lopez | Zeller

Hornets would rather keep Batum to build around in this scenario. Ya'll can move Lopez's expiring contract next year for a 2nd if you want. He's a solid player and a great teammate. A fan favorite in Chicago. Portis might have to go from the Bulls if we keep Niko because they got into a practice fight and reportedly don't want to play together. I could see them trying to swap Portis for Kaminsky in that case. Portis is also playing well off the bench, knocking down shots and spacing the floor well. Portis is still on his rookie contract and should continue to improve. The Bulls want to keep him, but politics might not allow it.
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Trade #3 (going bigger!)
Bulls get:
Kemba Walker, Dwight Howard, Nicholas Batum

Honets get:
Mirotic, Lopez, Dunn, Felicio, Pondexter, Zipster

PG: Dunn | Carter-Williams | Stone
SG: Lamb | Monk
SF: Kidd-Gilcrest | Williams
PF: Mirotic | O'Bryant
C: Lopez | Zeller | Felicio

Ya'll do it because you manage to get rid of 2 big contracts! Felicio's contract sucks (3.5 more years, $8m/yr). But it needed to be added to make the $$ work. Maybe ya'll can stomach that better than Howard at $23m??? Felicio is at least young and has some upside. He got paid for a reason after all, but he came into training camp overweight and has been struggling to get back into shape. He's on our G league team now.
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Trade #4
Bulls get:
Kemba Walker, Micahel Kidd-Gilcrest, Nicolas Batum, and Kaminsky

Honets get:
Niko, Lopez, Dunn, Pondexter, Zipster, (Felicio can be added in here too, but I don't think the Hornets want him)

PG: Dunn | Carter-Williams | Stone
SG: Lamb | Monk
SF: Williams | Bacon | Zipster
PF: Mirotic | O'Bryant | Zeller
C: Howard | Lopez | Zeller

If you decide to ride out Howards' 2 year contract and get rid of a 3 year contract in Kidd-Gilcrest and the 4 years of Batum, then this is the deal for you! You end up with a log jam at Center next year, but both Howard and Lopez drop off the books after next season. Also, again, Lopez can probably net you a 2nd rounder from a playoff team next year for his services.

All these trades are centered around the upside of Kris Dunn (and Niko Mirotic for some of the deals) and clearing cap space for ya'll. We can include some 2nd rounders or protected 1st rounders and be fine too since we would presumably make the playoffs next season with Kemba so losing a pick in the 20's isn't that bad for us. Thoughts?

[bravor]

How would people here feel about a Batum for Danilo Gallinari trade straight up?

i'd probably take it. His contract is a year shorter, and he's better when he plays (even if that is less often). Not a bad trade to consider. He'd probably average 20+ here if we traded Kemba and we'd be able to sell him off this time next year if we played up his trade value that way.

They don't play at same position. Nowadays, Gallo is much more a pf than a sf (and he still struggles to defend pf's..). At this point, Gallo's trade value must be quite low because of injury history (unless he could interest the Suns and their magical medical staff).

If you wish to get another euro, a much better trade could be done around the Hill/Batum swap, involving Bogdanovic (the serb, the "good" one)
This would work for example (with Frank)
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ychzervg

It would not be ideal (compare to a Bradley/Butler like sg), but G. Hill + Bogdanovic is much beter than Batum/Lamb at sg. You lose slighty offensively (and that remains to be seen) but defensively you get major upgrades.

[HornetJail]

Could Kemba for Fultz + Bayless and the Lakers/Kings pick be possible? I doubt Philly would wanna give up on Fultz yet but this could be a deal to lure Lebron. Imagine a lineup of Kemba/Covington/Simmons/Lebron/Embiid

For us, we're just trying to get as good value as possible. Fultz is a risk but definitely worth taking. Plus that Lakers/Kings pick could be gold

I think Lakers/Kings 1st + a lesser asset for Kemba has its merits. Fultz and that pick would be a best case scenario, but I highly doubt the Sixers go that far.

None of those trades are remotely attractive.

[HornetJail]

How would people here feel about a Batum for Danilo Gallinari trade straight up?

i'd probably take it. His contract is a year shorter, and he's better when he plays (even if that is less often). Not a bad trade to consider. He'd probably average 20+ here if we traded Kemba and we'd be able to sell him off this time next year if we played up his trade value that way.

They don't play at same position. Nowadays, Gallo is much more a pf than a sf (and he still struggles to defend pf's..). At this point, Gallo's trade value must be quite low because of injury history (unless he could interest the Suns and their magical medical staff).

If you wish to get another euro, a much better trade could be done around the Hill/Batum swap, involving Bogdanovic (he serb, the "good" one)
This would work for example (with Frank)
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ychzervg

It would not be ideal (compare to a Bradley/Butler like sg), but G. Hill + Bogdanovic is much beter than Batum/Lamb at sg. You lose slighty offensively (and that remains to be seen) but defensively you get major upgrades.

Based on the Woj report from the other day, I think even a Hill/Batum swap may be a little optimistic. They definitely wouldn't throw Bogdanovic on top. Gallo's position doesn't matter. Our 2s, 3s, and 4s can all coexist.

[stinger14]

Hornets get BKN pick, IT, and Frye
Cavs get Kemba and Johnny O'Bryant

Cavs add Kemba hopeful to gain what they are missing from Kyrie

Hornets get Frye who is expiring, add a potential top 10 pick, and IT whom they should send off for anot her pick or combine him with a contract


Then
Hornets get Omer Asik and 1st round pick
Pelicans get MKG

Pelicans need help on the wing, and this reunites MKG with AD and she'd the Asik contract

Hornets get a pick in the high teens to take the contract while shipping a starter to the Pelicans

[HornetJail]

Let's play a game:

Rank these assets or asset packages that have been thrown around in Kemba trades over the last few days:
LAL/SAC pick from Philly
BRK pick from Cleveland
Frank Ntilikina + 2019 NY 1st
Markelle Fultz
2018 MIL 1st + 2021 MIA 1st from Phoenix

[youngthegiant]

Would Faried or Darrell Arthur + a 1st rd pick be something you are interested in for MKG???

[stinger14]

Would Faried or Darrell Arthur + a 1st rd pick be something you are interested in for MKG???

If the pick is this year, then I would pull the trigger

[SeanBobcats]

Could Kemba for Fultz + Bayless and the Lakers/Kings pick be possible? I doubt Philly would wanna give up on Fultz yet but this could be a deal to lure Lebron. Imagine a lineup of Kemba/Covington/Simmons/Lebron/Embiid

For us, we're just trying to get as good value as possible. Fultz is a risk but definitely worth taking. Plus that Lakers/Kings pick could be gold

I think Lakers/Kings 1st + a lesser asset for Kemba has its merits. Fultz and that pick would be a best case scenario, but I highly doubt the Sixers go that far.

None of those trades are remotely attractive.

I don't think so either, but if Lebron is on their mind this has to spark at least some interest. They'd likely negotiate us down, but I'd probably stand firm if there are other decent offers on the table

[stinger14]

Let's play a game:

Rank these assets or asset packages that have been thrown around in Kemba trades over the last few days:
LAL/SAC pick from Philly
BRK pick from Cleveland
Frank Ntilikina + 2019 NY 1st
Markelle Fultz
2018 MIL 1st + 2021 MIA 1st from Phoenix

For me it's either Fultz or the BKN pick.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Kind of hard to rebuild without extra picks.

[Benjamin Linus]

So only ranking those options...

1. Brooklyn's pick - Upside is that it is completely unprotected. The draft lottery makes things interesting. Long shot odds, but we could potentially end up with two top-3 picks.

2. Lakers/SAC pick. We'd only get the Lakers pick if it's 1st overall or 6 on down. SAC's 2019 unprotected sounds nice and all but the lottery reform going into effect might make this pick a little less appealing.

[huge gap - I don't have much interest in these]

3. Fultz. Risky, but there's more upside here than the last two options IMO
4. MIL & MIA picks. Likely non-lotto picks.
5. Ntilikina & NYK pick. Ntilikina does nothing for me. I would immediately flip him for another pick.

[316Hornets]

Probably been mentioned before, but this trade is the most logical to me.



To Charlotte: Noah, Lee, French Frank & 2019 1st
To NYK: Kemba, Batum


If we wanted to, we could stretch Noahs contract out and just waive him, so we'd lose like 7 mil a year in cap for the next 5 years. This way we avoid a complete rebuild and get another opportunity to compete in the next few years.

[Eoghan]

So only ranking those options...

1. Brooklyn's pick - Upside is that it is completely unprotected. The draft lottery makes things interesting. Long shot odds, but we could potentially end up with two top-3 picks.

2. Lakers/SAC pick. We'd only get the Lakers pick if it's 1st overall or 6 on down. SAC's 2019 unprotected sounds nice and all but the lottery reform going into effect might make this pick a little less appealing.

[huge gap - I don't have much interest in these]

3. Fultz. Risky, but there's more upside here than the last two options IMO
4. MIL & MIA picks. Likely non-lotto picks.
5. Ntilikina & NYK pick. Ntilikina does nothing for me. I would immediately flip him for another pick.

Probably the same although I might rank Fultz last. I don't rate him much at all.

[the_process]

I don’t think the Sixers would move either Fultz or the Lakers pick for Kemba unless LeBron told them straight out to do that and he’ll sign. Chances of LeBron in Philly are 1% at best, so it’s highly unlikely. It’s completely off the table as far as this deadline goes IMO. However if you want a couple future 1sts for Walker and to dump Batum for expirings at the same time... I think that’s a possibility.

[Belf]

None of those trades are remotely attractive.

I think you're going to find that you won't be able to get anywhere near what you want for Kemba. The Bulls gave up Butler last off season and we only got:
- A dude with a torn ACL
- Historically one of, if not, the worst rookie to ever play
- The right to move up 9 spots in the 1st round of the draft

And Butler might be the best player in the NBA right now. http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/WINS 1st by win shares, 3rd by real plus minus behind Curry and Harden. Paul George was traded for the bust that was Victor Olidipo, and the 11th pick of the previous draft Domantas Sabonis (who was supposed to be the real prize in return). Granted both those deals look fine now, but go back to draft night and read some of the things experts were saying about those trades. Both were considered robbery at the time. Add in the fact that Charlotte wants to weigh down Kemba's value by including some bad contracts in the trade and you might just find that he goes for shockingly less than you think.

Keep that in mind when your deal gets made, and I was offering an avenue to take away Batum, and Howard's (or MKG's) albatross of contracts plus giving a lottery protected 1st and a decent young player in Dunn for Kemba and Kaminsky. I don't think ya'll are getting the Nets' pick.

Also another way to look at my offers would be to trade the pieces you get from the Bulls. Mirotic already had an offer of Derrick Favors expiring contract and Utah's 1st rd pick. Lopez could easily get you a 2nd rd pick next year. If you really wanted to embrace the tank, you could maybe take Favors and trade him to a contender for some bad contracts and another 1st rd pick. That would make my offer:

Bulls get: Kemba, Howard, Batum
Hornets get: Kris Dunn, C Felicio, (2018 Utah 1st rd pick:Mirotic trade), (2019 1st rd pick:From Bulls), (2019 2nd rd pick:Lopez trade), $50m in cap space (Howard/Batum), and the flexibility to try to flip Favors for another pick if you wanted to.

[Roddy B for 3]

Would you trade2018+2019 2nds+ Kaminsky + Batum + MKG + Williams for Shumpert(21 M over 2 years) + Fry(exp) + Koufos(16M over 2years) + Malachi Richardson (owed16Million over 2years)+ Kyle Korver(21M over 3years)?

I usually am not well received on this board, so I'll preemptively defend my suggestion.

-You save (literally) 90Million on cap.
-Your roster is thrown out of whack so you can tank hard, in a good draft year (the last year before the tanking is less rewarded)
-You don't trade Kemba

You go into the offseason with
Howard/Zeller/Koufos
???/???
Korver/Shumpert
Lamb/Richardson
Kemba/Monk
+2018 1st
+8 million in cap(&exemptions)

It saves 30Million off next year's cap

You can do a proper rebuild with very little money committed and if you still wish to move Kemba you can do so in a calmer environment.[/quote]

[BuzzCity]

Would you trade2018+2019 2nds+ Kaminsky + Batum + MKG + Williams for Shumpert(21 M over 2 years) + Fry(exp) + Koufos(16M over 2years) + Malachi Richardson (owed16Million over 2years)+ Kyle Korver(21M over 3years)?

I usually am not well received on this board, so I'll preemptively defend my suggestion.

-You save (literally) 90Million on cap.
-Your roster is thrown out of whack so you can tank hard, in a good draft year (the last year before the tanking is less rewarded)
-You don't trade Kemba

You go into the offseason with
Howard/Zeller/Koufos
???/???
Korver/Shumpert
Lamb/Richardson
Kemba/Monk
+2018 1st
+8 million in cap(&exemptions)

It saves 30Million off next year's cap

You can do a proper rebuild with very little money committed and if you still wish to move Kemba you can do so in a calmer environment.

[/quote]

Uh yesssss please

[stinger14]

Would you trade2018+2019 2nds+ Kaminsky + Batum + MKG + Williams for Shumpert(21 M over 2 years) + Fry(exp) + Koufos(16M over 2years) + Malachi Richardson (owed16Million over 2years)+ Kyle Korver(21M over 3years)?

I usually am not well received on this board, so I'll preemptively defend my suggestion.

-You save (literally) 90Million on cap.
-Your roster is thrown out of whack so you can tank hard, in a good draft year (the last year before the tanking is less rewarded)
-You don't trade Kemba

You go into the offseason with
Howard/Zeller/Koufos
???/???
Korver/Shumpert
Lamb/Richardson
Kemba/Monk
+2018 1st
+8 million in cap(&exemptions)

It saves 30Million off next year's cap

You can do a proper rebuild with very little money committed and if you still wish to move Kemba you can do so in a calmer environment.

[/quote]

Yes