Fake Trade Thread 2014-15

[JDR720]

Maybe the Noah at C and Zeller at PF thing will happen one day...so lets trade Biz!

Biz, Jeff and MIA 2nd (in 2019) to Memphis for Koufos and Jarnell Stokes

Memphis's crazy stat people will love Bis and his defensive stats

[Bravenewworld]

Pretty sure hes only been suggested for backups. Unless you count us throwing in a first with him for an upgrade. Personally id like to see Biyombo and a 2nd for his brother, but Celts wouldn't bite.

Even with that trade Zeller has to be the highlight. An 18+ pick is not very attractive for a starting quality player. The only way they could pull this off is by going after rebuilding teams. Celtics, Magic, TWolves, maybe maybe maybe Jazz, etc.

Tell that to these guys who put him in e very single trade situation imaginable. I find it humorous how some Hornet fans are patient as can be with everyone we draft, except Zeller. But it is what it is.

I simply ask that people be realistic.
Understand a players offense, a players defense, their ceiling, how reasonably close they are to that ceiling, what another teams objectives are, etc.

The reason they suggest trading Zeller is because they (at least) subconsciously understand who and what he is as a player. Knowing that the best he is going to be, is most likely a back up 4/5 that gives energy off the bench, can quickly score and will nab up half the rebounds a near 7 footer should.
Now, there is nothing wrong with that, not every player can be a superstar and IMO everyone has a role to play on a team. However, they tend to overvalue this and pretend they dont seem to understand that this is exactly what Zeller is, when they suggest trading him to another team. When it comes to another team they feel that team should give the earth moon and stars. The perfect example is that Taj suggestion. I mean, if im the bulls who are contending this year as long as Rose is healthy, im not making a Taj trade for anything less then either MKG OR Zeller, Vohnel (whatever his name is), BB and a first.

[Liver_Pooty]

If Zeller was starting I prolly wouldn't want him traded but since Clifford insist on Messy Marv starting and I view Vonleh as the future starting PF we might as well get a headstart on what should be inevitable before Zeller's value dwindle anymore than it already has.

The Zeller+Hendo package is like anthrax because nobody wanna sniff it but I'm sure we'll sucker some dumb GM into giving us something for it.

Way things are going Zeller will be starting sooner than later. Zeller overall outplayed him in the preseason. I wouldn't give up on Zeller just yet, but thats just me.

Edit: Plus Clifford always mentions positive things about him in every other interview.

I hope so. I would feel much better about our team and chemistry if Zeller was starting. We didn't skip a beat when Zeller started in place of Mcbob. We'll skip a whole song with Marv starting because he's so mediocre it's ridiculous that we guaranteed him the starting job before competition and paid him 7 mil a year.

I was actually very down on Zeller until he had that 18 point game draining 18-20 foot jumpers left and right like its nothing. He probably hit as many jumpers in that game as he did the first 35 games last season (I think he hit a total of 7?). That is significant progress. I really don't want to trade a player away while he is progressing. Thats just me though.

[catch20two]

I find it humorous how some Hornet fans are patient as can be with everyone we draft, except Zeller. But it is what it is.

This is what it is. Zeller or Vonleh? I choose Vonleh. Together they are redundant and not a solid PF/C duo so one of them have to go. I thought maybe we could start Zeller to see what he really has during this year's playoff run while slowly grooming Vonleh with limited minutes but that's not the case because of Clifford's infatuation with spacing from his Magic days of surrounding Dwight with shooters and Lakers days with D'Antoni where everybody gotta shoot a 3 or they're worthless.

Why not keep both and have really, really good depth? Maybe Vonleh becomes a center? The man already looks like hes 25 years old and sculpted from stone.

Edit: Bulls have had Gibson coming off the bench for years. Not saying Zeller or even Vonleh will ever be as good as Gibson, but you don't see them giving him up just because he comes off the bench do you? Both of them would give us great depth.

There's nothing wrong with depth but when your last 2 lottery picks play the same position and are 2nd and 3rd string instead of 1st and 2nd string then it's a redundant logjam.

[Liver_Pooty]

Even with that trade Zeller has to be the highlight. An 18+ pick is not very attractive for a starting quality player. The only way they could pull this off is by going after rebuilding teams. Celtics, Magic, TWolves, maybe maybe maybe Jazz, etc.

Tell that to these guys who put him in e very single trade situation imaginable. I find it humorous how some Hornet fans are patient as can be with everyone we draft, except Zeller. But it is what it is.

I simply ask that people be realistic.
Understand a players offense, a players defense, their ceiling, how reasonably close they are to that ceiling, what another teams objectives are, etc.

The reason they suggest trading Zeller is because they (at least) subconsciously understand who and what he is as a player. Knowing that the best he is going to be, is most likely a back up 4/5 that gives energy off the bench, can quickly score and will nab up half the rebounds a near 7 footer should.
Now, there is nothing wrong with that, not every player can be a superstar and IMO everyone has a role to play on a team. However, they tend to overvalue this and pretend they dont seem to understand that this is exactly what Zeller is, when they suggest trading him to another team. When it comes to another team they feel that team should give the earth moon and stars. The perfect example is that Taj suggestion. I mean, if im the bulls who are contending this year as long as Rose is healthy, im not making a Taj trade for anything less then either MKG OR Zeller, Vohnel (whatever his name is), BB and a first.

if we were to trade what you mentioned for Gibson I will take a samurai sword chop my arm off and then beat myself to death with it.

[Bravenewworld]

The Zeller+Hendo package is like anthrax because nobody wanna sniff it but I'm sure we'll sucker some dumb GM into giving us something for it.

Again i think i have to highlight that this is probably because of the asking price. Fact is theres probably about 8 teams who would love him on their team. As an OKC fan, id love to have him in our starting line up. But two current back up players does not equal a starter in value. Especially with Zeller as a big question mark.
So lets say you wanted to package that deal to us, keeping in mind that Zeller at best would be a 12 minute third string. What would you be asking for?

[Liver_Pooty]

This is what it is. Zeller or Vonleh? I choose Vonleh. Together they are redundant and not a solid PF/C duo so one of them have to go. I thought maybe we could start Zeller to see what he really has during this year's playoff run while slowly grooming Vonleh with limited minutes but that's not the case because of Clifford's infatuation with spacing from his Magic days of surrounding Dwight with shooters and Lakers days with D'Antoni where everybody gotta shoot a 3 or they're worthless.

Why not keep both and have really, really good depth? Maybe Vonleh becomes a center? The man already looks like hes 25 years old and sculpted from stone.

Edit: Bulls have had Gibson coming off the bench for years. Not saying Zeller or even Vonleh will ever be as good as Gibson, but you don't see them giving him up just because he comes off the bench do you? Both of them would give us great depth.

There's nothing wrong with depth but when your last 2 lottery picks play the same position and are 2nd and 3rd string instead of 1st and 2nd string then it's a redundant logjam.

Agreed, but we have no idea what we have in Vonleh yet. Hell, he just sprained his ankle again and couldn't play last night. So far hes had a below average SL, got hurt, didn't look good at all in limited minutes in his first game (I give him a pass for that though), then got hurt again. If I knew right now what we had in Vonleh I wouldn't mind trading Zeller for help elsewhere, but none of us know what we have other than another raw big man that needs to be molded into a good player and thats risky business.

[Bravenewworld]

Tell that to these guys who put him in e very single trade situation imaginable. I find it humorous how some Hornet fans are patient as can be with everyone we draft, except Zeller. But it is what it is.

I simply ask that people be realistic.
Understand a players offense, a players defense, their ceiling, how reasonably close they are to that ceiling, what another teams objectives are, etc.

The reason they suggest trading Zeller is because they (at least) subconsciously understand who and what he is as a player. Knowing that the best he is going to be, is most likely a back up 4/5 that gives energy off the bench, can quickly score and will nab up half the rebounds a near 7 footer should.
Now, there is nothing wrong with that, not every player can be a superstar and IMO everyone has a role to play on a team. However, they tend to overvalue this and pretend they dont seem to understand that this is exactly what Zeller is, when they suggest trading him to another team. When it comes to another team they feel that team should give the earth moon and stars. The perfect example is that Taj suggestion. I mean, if im the bulls who are contending this year as long as Rose is healthy, im not making a Taj trade for anything less then either MKG OR Zeller, Vohnel (whatever his name is), BB and a first.

if we were to trade what you mentioned for Gibson I will take a samurai sword chop my arm off and then beat myself to death with it.

Well the first one i would not do at all. Just because the point of Taj is to solidify the starting line up and to move forward.
The second one is actually a good trade. The Hornets wont have a long window to contend with Al Jefferson (even if he resigns) and they need to take advantage of it.

[catch20two]

The Zeller+Hendo package is like anthrax because nobody wanna sniff it but I'm sure we'll sucker some dumb GM into giving us something for it.

Again i think i have to highlight that this is probably because of the asking price. Fact is theres probably about 8 teams who would love him on their team. As an OKC fan, id love to have him in our starting line up. But two current back up players does not equal a starter in value. Especially with Zeller as a big question mark.
So lets say you wanted to package that deal to us, keeping in mind that Zeller at best would be a 12 minute third string. What would you be asking for?

Lamb+PJ3+a heavily protected 1st rounder or 2nd rounder for Zeller+Hendo?

[Liver_Pooty]

I simply ask that people be realistic.
Understand a players offense, a players defense, their ceiling, how reasonably close they are to that ceiling, what another teams objectives are, etc.

The reason they suggest trading Zeller is because they (at least) subconsciously understand who and what he is as a player. Knowing that the best he is going to be, is most likely a back up 4/5 that gives energy off the bench, can quickly score and will nab up half the rebounds a near 7 footer should.
Now, there is nothing wrong with that, not every player can be a superstar and IMO everyone has a role to play on a team. However, they tend to overvalue this and pretend they dont seem to understand that this is exactly what Zeller is, when they suggest trading him to another team. When it comes to another team they feel that team should give the earth moon and stars. The perfect example is that Taj suggestion. I mean, if im the bulls who are contending this year as long as Rose is healthy, im not making a Taj trade for anything less then either MKG OR Zeller, Vohnel (whatever his name is), BB and a first.

if we were to trade what you mentioned for Gibson I will take a samurai sword chop my arm off and then beat myself to death with it.

Well the first one i would not do at all. Just because the point of Taj is to solidify the starting line up and to move forward.
The second one is actually a good trade. The Hornets wont have a long window to contend with Al Jefferson (even if he resigns) and they need to take advantage of it.

I want nothing to do with Gibson at all to be honest.

[catch20two]

Why not keep both and have really, really good depth? Maybe Vonleh becomes a center? The man already looks like hes 25 years old and sculpted from stone.

Edit: Bulls have had Gibson coming off the bench for years. Not saying Zeller or even Vonleh will ever be as good as Gibson, but you don't see them giving him up just because he comes off the bench do you? Both of them would give us great depth.

There's nothing wrong with depth but when your last 2 lottery picks play the same position and are 2nd and 3rd string instead of 1st and 2nd string then it's a redundant logjam.

Agreed, but we have no idea what we have in Vonleh yet. Hell, he just sprained his ankle again and couldn't play last night. So far hes had a below average SL, got hurt, didn't look good at all in limited minutes in his first game (I give him a pass for that though), then got hurt again. If I knew right now what we had in Vonleh I wouldn't mind trading Zeller for help elsewhere, but none of us know what we have other than another raw big man that needs to be molded into a good player and thats risky business.

I wouldn't trade Zeller today or tomorrow looking at our injuries situation on top on shaky starting PF issue but if we do make a trade down the road later in the season then Zeller is probably the best piece we can dangle without losing a big key part of our team.

[BlackOutBuzz]

No way in hell we give up our rookie we just took in the top 10, MKG, AND add a first for Gibson. Just no.

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[Bravenewworld]

The Zeller+Hendo package is like anthrax because nobody wanna sniff it but I'm sure we'll sucker some dumb GM into giving us something for it.

Again i think i have to highlight that this is probably because of the asking price. Fact is theres probably about 8 teams who would love him on their team. As an OKC fan, id love to have him in our starting line up. But two current back up players does not equal a starter in value. Especially with Zeller as a big question mark.
So lets say you wanted to package that deal to us, keeping in mind that Zeller at best would be a 12 minute third string. What would you be asking for?

Lamb+PJ3+a heavily protected 1st rounder or 2nd rounder for Zeller+Hendo?

With the second i think i would be okay with that.
And the only reason i would not want to give up a first is because of how well Presti drafts in the first round.

[Bravenewworld]

if we were to trade what you mentioned for Gibson I will take a samurai sword chop my arm off and then beat myself to death with it.

Well the first one i would not do at all. Just because the point of Taj is to solidify the starting line up and to move forward.
The second one is actually a good trade. The Hornets wont have a long window to contend with Al Jefferson (even if he resigns) and they need to take advantage of it.

I want nothing to do with Gibson at all to be honest.

Ya i know, you've mentioned that before.
But i dont think you understand what that would do for your defense, while still giving you a qualified and capable stretch 4 with ECFs experience.
You would then have A defenders at the 2, 3 and 4. You could deal with the Cavs, Bulls, maybe even Detroit.

[Liver_Pooty]

Well the first one i would not do at all. Just because the point of Taj is to solidify the starting line up and to move forward.
The second one is actually a good trade. The Hornets wont have a long window to contend with Al Jefferson (even if he resigns) and they need to take advantage of it.

I want nothing to do with Gibson at all to be honest.

Ya i know, you've mentioned that before.
But i dont think you understand what that would do for your defense, while still giving you a qualified and capable stretch 4 with ECFs experience.

Hes not exactly a spring chicken, though.

[Bravenewworld]

I want nothing to do with Gibson at all to be honest.

Ya i know, you've mentioned that before.
But i dont think you understand what that would do for your defense, while still giving you a qualified and capable stretch 4 with ECFs experience.

Hes not exactly a spring chicken, though.

In basketball years (considering age, minutes played, etc.) he still has 5-7 years in him. Even if we went the low end of 4 (which would be 31-32, reasonable for even high mileage players), there is a 50% you retain him for the same time as Vdub (my new name for him since i can never remember it). The only difference being you have a serious addition to actually contend with instead of 4 years spent developing to probably go to another team.

[Liver_Pooty]

Ya i know, you've mentioned that before.
But i dont think you understand what that would do for your defense, while still giving you a qualified and capable stretch 4 with ECFs experience.

Hes not exactly a spring chicken, though.

In basketball years (considering age, minutes played, etc.) he still has 5-7 years in him. Even if we went the low end of 4 (which would be 31-32, reasonable for even high mileage players), there is a 50% you retain him for the same time as Vdub (my new name for him since i can never remember it). The only difference being you have a serious addition to actually contend with instead of 4 years spent developing to probably go to another team.

In my opinion we aren't a contender with him, and we aren't a contender without him. Id rather keep the assets and picks and see what becomes of them.

[Eoghan]

Maybe the Noah at C and Zeller at PF thing will happen one day...so lets trade Biz!

Biz, Jeff and MIA 2nd (in 2019) to Memphis for Koufos and Jarnell Stokes

Memphis's crazy stat people will love Bis and his defensive stats

Koufos is a ****. Nobody liked him at Ohio St. Would much rather have Leuer.

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I'd like Gibson but we'd have to give too much for him.

[Bravenewworld]

In my opinion we aren't a contender with him, and we aren't a contender without him. Id rather keep the assets and picks and see what becomes of them.

When i say contending team i mean the ability to make the conference finals and/or win the conference. Fact of the matter is there's no team in the East that is going to beat a western team within the next two, maybe three seasons. I know people dislike hearing that but the best chances for the East are the Cavs and they are completely inexperienced, which really really really matters.
So its really about the conference.

Right now, the addition of Stephenson fast tracks this team a year. So instead of round 1 loss, round 2 loss, ECFs loss, Finals. We are going to fast forward a skip a round, Stephenson is that much of an impact player. Taj, has the same effect. THIS season (not sure about next) if this team had Taj i would put money on them before anyone else to come out of the East.

[yosemiteben]

The second one is actually a good trade. The Hornets wont have a long window to contend with Al Jefferson (even if he resigns) and they need to take advantage of it.

Are you saying we should trade Biz, MKG, AND Vonleh for Gibson?

Cause, you know, that's stupid.