Fake Trade Thread #3

[MasterIchiro]

Agreed. The roster is well built. It's missing one final nudge. But because an above average center would cost a core piece, Kupchak has to target guys before they break out. He did this beautifully with Terry Rozier. Forecasting talent poised to break out is one of the hardest feats of scouting.

One fan on the trade board proposed PJ Washington + the Pelicans pick for Jaxson Hayes. I'd do it. The team may have to wait a couple years for Hayes and Kai Jones to emerge but I prefer this route to suffering teams asking for Miles Bridges or James Bouknight for guys like Myles Turner or Christian Wood.

That said, shame on some of you for mocking me for targeting Zach LaVine years ago. He is going to challenge for an NBA scoring title and because of it, the Bulls went all-in on the LaVine window. He will be a handful.

How's Cole Anthony and Deni Avdija working out?

(or the million or so other players you stated as being sure things over the years?)

How's Wisemanosaurus Rex and his ailing knee? How's MKG-DNP-CD?

[SWedd523]

Agreed. The roster is well built. It's missing one final nudge. But because an above average center would cost a core piece, Kupchak has to target guys before they break out. He did this beautifully with Terry Rozier. Forecasting talent poised to break out is one of the hardest feats of scouting.

One fan on the trade board proposed PJ Washington + the Pelicans pick for Jaxson Hayes. I'd do it. The team may have to wait a couple years for Hayes and Kai Jones to emerge but I prefer this route to suffering teams asking for Miles Bridges or James Bouknight for guys like Myles Turner or Christian Wood.

That said, shame on some of you for mocking me for targeting Zach LaVine years ago. He is going to challenge for an NBA scoring title and because of it, the Bulls went all-in on the LaVine window. He will be a handful.

How's Cole Anthony and Deni Avdija working out?

(or the million or so other players you stated as being sure things over the years?)

How's Wisemanoaurus Rex and his ailing knee? How's MKG-DNP-CD?

who is the one tooting their own horn to hitting on a prognostication?

[MasterIchiro]

How's Cole Anthony and Deni Avdija working out?

(or the million or so other players you stated as being sure things over the years?)

How's Wisemanoaurus Rex and his ailing knee? How's MKG-DNP-CD?

who is the one tooting their own horn to hitting on a prognostication?

Me, dude. Me.

[SWedd523]

and now we circle back to the point

[MasterIchiro]

and now we circle back to the point

Yup. I'm for trading for Jaxson Hayes. I think he's a breakout candidate. I could be wrong though lol

[yosemiteben]

and now we circle back to the point

Yup. I'm for trading for Jaxson Hayes. I think he's a breakout candidate. I could be wrong though lol

The point is scoreboarding is **** annoying.

[MasterIchiro]

and now we circle back to the point

Yup. I'm for trading for Jaxson Hayes. I think he's a breakout candidate. I could be wrong though lol

The point is scoreboarding is **** annoying.

PJ Washington is not a core piece in my opinion. So if Kupchak can add a core piece before he breaks out like Jaxson Hayes I'm all for it! Hopefully he doesn't end up like Deni Avdija, Nik Stauskus or Cole Anthony. Not to mention, Ben McLemore!

[Diop]

Yup. I'm for trading for Jaxson Hayes. I think he's a breakout candidate. I could be wrong though lol

The point is scoreboarding is **** annoying.

PJ Washington is not a core piece in my opinion. So if Kupchak can add a core piece before he breaks out like Jaxson Hayes I'm all for it! Hopefully he doesn't end up like Deni Avdija, Nik Stauskus or Cole Anthony. Not to mention, Ben McLemore!

I think most of us have been saying that since last season, Washington will occasionally put up stats that make him look like a decent developing player but then you watch him being ineffective around the basket and wonder how he’s ever going to work as a 4/5

[MasterIchiro]

The point is scoreboarding is **** annoying.

PJ Washington is not a core piece in my opinion. So if Kupchak can add a core piece before he breaks out like Jaxson Hayes I'm all for it! Hopefully he doesn't end up like Deni Avdija, Nik Stauskus or Cole Anthony. Not to mention, Ben McLemore!

I think most of us have been saying that since last season, Washington will occasionally put up stats that make him look like a decent developing player but then you watch him being ineffective around the basket and wonder how he’s ever going to work as a 4/5

I hope (and suspect) Kupchak knows by now he's not gonna work out. The question is his trade value. I think he's a starting 4 on a good number of teams. I just see a clash with the Hornets full court advantages. He's really more of a half-court role player who's really not a great playmaker for a team that shares the ball as its trademark. He reminds me of Marvin Williams. Catch and shoot. Please don't dribble. Don't pass in motion. Don't try to score in traffic. You're not getting fouled. Etc. etc. A good GM is not going to spend good money on a role player who restricts spending on a starting center. Given Miles is the 4, Hornets need to swap PJ for a 5.

[Bassman]

Agreed Master Ichiro. Hornets weren’t able or willing to take a bigger risk in free agency with Holmes (whom I wanted), nor make a deal for Myles Turner (I’d been down with that but many here would not…I understand why). Trying to get a young player prior to breakout is a great strategy, especially if it costs PJ and one of our stiffs at center not named Plumlee.

[MasterIchiro]

Agreed Master Ichiro. Hornets weren’t able or willing to take a bigger risk in free agency with Holmes (whom I wanted), nor make a deal for Myles Turner (I’d been down with that but many here would not…I understand why). Trying to get a young player prior to breakout is a great strategy, especially if it costs PJ and one of our stiffs at center not named Plumlee.

Yeah management accounted for raises to Rozier and Miles. They couldn't add Allen or Holmes (or Graham or Monk) while staying comfortably below the luxury tax absent playoff revenues to offset the penalty. They used future draft capital to acquire Kai Jones as part of the solution. But they haven't yet fortified the position with someone more expensive who fits the pre-playoff revenue budget while providing more immediate help. Someone like Hayes is a necessity. Gafford or Wendell Carter Jr. would have fit. Those are comps for Hayes for his next contract. The Pelicans just extended Val and have to stay below the luxury tax. They already lost Lonzo Ball.

Let's hope Kupchak got a read on their internal valuation of Jaxson Hayes while negotiating the Graham trade.

[Diop]

Agreed Master Ichiro. Hornets weren’t able or willing to take a bigger risk in free agency with Holmes (whom I wanted), nor make a deal for Myles Turner (I’d been down with that but many here would not…I understand why). Trying to get a young player prior to breakout is a great strategy, especially if it costs PJ and one of our stiffs at center not named Plumlee.

Yeah management accounted for raises to Rozier and Miles. They couldn't add Allen or Holmes (or Graham or Monk) while staying comfortably below the luxury tax absent playoff revenues to offset the penalty. They used future draft capital to acquire Kai Jones as part of the solution. But they haven't yet fortified the position with someone more expensive who fits the pre-playoff revenue budget while providing more immediate help. Someone like Hayes is a necessity. Gafford or Wendell Carter Jr. would have fit. Those are comps for Hayes for his next contract. The Pelicans just extended Val and have to stay below the luxury tax. They already lost Lonzo Ball.

Let's hope Kupchak got a read on their internal valuation of Jaxson Hayes while negotiating the Graham trade.

i mean, Harry Giles hasn't signed with anyone yet, talk about low risk.

[LofJ]

LaMelo has been trying to get the MBx2 thing going with him and Miles. I think it's a winning marketing brand, but 3 is better than 2. So here are some guys we should target in trade to bring in the dollars:

Mo Bamba - top target, fills a need and salary matching isn't an issue.

Malcolm Brogdon - he should have been a Hornet from day one, he'd fit our system like a glove.

Malik Beasley - We need more shooting on our bench, he doesn't have ideal size, but I'd still prefer him to Oubre.

Mo Bamba is probably the only guy above that I could realistically see Kupchak going after. He'd probably love to have Brogdon, but the cost to get him likely wouldn't be worth it. Beasley is another guy the team would probably like to have, but since he isn't an ideal fit I doubt Kupchak would target him in a trade.

I think our best chance to get Bamba could come this summer. This is a big heavy draft and the Magic just paid Wendell Carter. They can afford to extend Bamba, but if they land Banchero, Holmgren, Nzosa, Duren, etc. I doubt they will want to do that. We would have to pull off a sign and trade like the Pelicans did with Graham.

[HornetJail]

LaMelo has been trying to get the MBx2 thing going with him and Miles. I think it's a winning marketing brand, but 3 is better than 2. So here are some guys we should target in trade to bring in the dollars:

Mo Bamba - top target, fills a need and salary matching isn't an issue.

Malcolm Brogdon - he should have been a Hornet from day one, he'd fit our system like a glove.

Malik Beasley - We need more shooting on our bench, he doesn't have ideal size, but I'd still prefer him to Oubre.

Mo Bamba is probably the only guy above that I could realistically see Kupchak going after. He'd probably love to have Brogdon, but the cost to get him likely wouldn't be worth it. Beasley is another guy the team would probably like to have, but since he isn't an ideal fit I doubt Kupchak would target him in a trade.

I think our best chance to get Bamba could come this summer. This is a big heavy draft and the Magic just paid Wendell Carter. They can afford to extend Bamba, but if they land Banchero, Holmgren, Nzosa, Duren, etc. I doubt they will want to do that. We would have to pull off a sign and trade like the Pelicans did with Graham.

Marvin Bagley lol

[LofJ]

LaMelo has been trying to get the MBx2 thing going with him and Miles. I think it's a winning marketing brand, but 3 is better than 2. So here are some guys we should target in trade to bring in the dollars:

Mo Bamba - top target, fills a need and salary matching isn't an issue.

Malcolm Brogdon - he should have been a Hornet from day one, he'd fit our system like a glove.

Malik Beasley - We need more shooting on our bench, he doesn't have ideal size, but I'd still prefer him to Oubre.

Mo Bamba is probably the only guy above that I could realistically see Kupchak going after. He'd probably love to have Brogdon, but the cost to get him likely wouldn't be worth it. Beasley is another guy the team would probably like to have, but since he isn't an ideal fit I doubt Kupchak would target him in a trade.

I think our best chance to get Bamba could come this summer. This is a big heavy draft and the Magic just paid Wendell Carter. They can afford to extend Bamba, but if they land Banchero, Holmgren, Nzosa, Duren, etc. I doubt they will want to do that. We would have to pull off a sign and trade like the Pelicans did with Graham.

Marvin Bagley lol

I originally had him listed, but I figured there's no reason to bother trading for a player making $11 million whose team has benched him because he graded out as the worst defender in the entire league last season.

And as you said earlier in this thread, we all saw it with our own eyes when PJ dropped 42 against him. PJ is a solid player, but he isn't that good.

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[Diop]

heck I'd take 26 year old Noah Vonleh on the end of the bench as an emergency backup.

[yosemiteben]

Let's say we are in the hunt come trade deadline and we want to trade for a long term 5 using PJ + 1 as the core of the trade, and let's assume we find someone that bumps Mason to backup 5.

What does our PF rotation look like after that trade? If Miles goes down, who would play 4 either as a starter or backup?

Was just toying with ideas and realized I don't know the answer to that question. McDaniels?

[Chapelchilla]

Let's say we are in the hunt come trade deadline and we want to trade for a long term 5 using PJ + 1 as the core of the trade, and let's assume we find someone that bumps Mason to backup 5.

What does our PF rotation look like after that trade? If Miles goes down, who would play 4 either as a starter or backup?

Was just toying with ideas and realized I don't know the answer to that question. McDaniels?

I think if Miles and PJ go down or are gone, it’s over.
But, I guess Hayward plays PF and Oubre SF.
Hopefully Thor Kulboka Jones can play some by then too.

[Benjamin Linus]

Oubre's got some experience at the 4. He played 25% of his minutes there last season and 37% of his minutes there in Phoenix the year before

So I'm guessing he would start at PF in the Bridges role with McDaniels backing him up while Bouknight takes over Oubre's wing minutes