Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3

[TTNN]

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2016/01/18/20160118-mtc-flagrant-two.nba/

Here is a video by NBA earlier this year "What the NBA Referees use to determine a hard foul, Flagrant 1 or Flagrant 2."

Very interesting to watch this side by side with Lin's flagrant foul video.

I can't believe NBA would concluded after review，

While some of the plays in the video involved hard contact, none was subsequently deemed a Flagrant Foul given the full circumstances, angles and comparables from past games.

So basically NBA determined that clothline and upper cut move are not excessive and necessary.

[TTNN]

IMO that data on common fouls definitively proves that JLin gets as many fouls called as any other attacking guard.

What is still ridiculous, however, is that the NBA still can't admit the Melo and Kobe fouls were flagrant. All the other stuff, doesn't really bother me, I just chalk it up to cherry picking fouls as well as Lin being the type that does not flop or campaign for fouls. But, its crazy that the NBA can review the Melo/Kobe fouls and still consider them common.

It has to be called a flagrant 1 so we can review it, but since we didn't we can't review the play and since we didn't review it, it is not a flagrant foul. 100% Logic.

No, that's not true, as according to the response NBA issued:

Following the game, contact that is deemed flagrant by referees and other hard contact (whether called or not) is reviewed by NBA Basketball Operations. As part of that review, Basketball Operations uses that same set of criteria, multiple video angles and enhancements, and its comparable database to calibrate its judgment. When deemed appropriate, a foul can be upgraded or downgraded and applicable penalties can be assessed.

And regarding Lin's issue, they made that decision AFTER REVIEW.

[razsan]

What is still ridiculous, however, is that the NBA still can't admit the Melo and Kobe fouls were flagrant. All the other stuff, doesn't really bother me, I just chalk it up to cherry picking fouls as well as Lin being the type that does not flop or campaign for fouls. But, its crazy that the NBA can review the Melo/Kobe fouls and still consider them common.

It has to be called a flagrant 1 so we can review it, but since we didn't we can't review the play and since we didn't review it, it is not a flagrant foul. 100% Logic.

No, that's not true, as according to the response NBA issued:

Following the game, contact that is deemed flagrant by referees and other hard contact (whether called or not) is reviewed by NBA Basketball Operations. As part of that review, Basketball Operations uses that same set of criteria, multiple video angles and enhancements, and its comparable database to calibrate its judgment. When deemed appropriate, a foul can be upgraded or downgraded and applicable penalties can be assessed.

And regarding Lin's issue, they made that decision AFTER REVIEW.

My issue is more with the ridiculous ticky-tack calls on guys like Harden, who will literally alter his path and run into a defender, yet Lin and others get knocked around like a rag doll and hey swallow the whistle. My other favorite is the foul call AFTER the shooter releases and the defender taps the forearm.

[spaceballer]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/living/liv-columns-blogs/theoden-janes/article72065122.html

Charlotte Hornets’ Jeremy Lin is a mystery to everyone but himself

This Théoden Janes article was considered interesting enough to get reprinted by SFGate (San Francisco Chronicle). This is what happens when The Charlotte Observer assigns someone other than Bonnell to cover the Hornets. You end up with a quality piece that other newspapers actually want to carry.

[Vae Victus]

I didnt watch the game earlier today as i was slammed with errands and family obligations.

How did Lin look? Were the Heat trapping him much, or did he not do much at all, judging from the box score while got some foul calls he didnt seem to be aggressive with his offense. While following the box scores here and there i saw Lin picked up a coupla charges. I personally find charges much more preferable to stupid passing TOs (charges meant he was aggressively attacking), did the charges impact Lin's game much in that he stopped attacking after the 2nd charge call?

Overall it looked like the starters got massacred, how did the bench unit look before complete garbage time occurred?

[phillycheese]

Lin was basically ignored for much of the game. He didn't get a lot of touches. The touches that he managed to get, he got some assists. They got the ball deep a few times but the big did not attack the basket and passed it out. Miami did a great job closing out our perimeter shooters. Lack of assists so it seemed like guys were not moving the ball fast enough but credit Heat for rotating very well. The Heat were killing us for offensive rebounds, but not the close to basket, highly contested ones - the ball seemed to jump off hard and many of the off rebounds were long bounces that found the heat player. Marvin did not commit to defending Deng and he toasted us. Wade made a number of tough turnaround jumpers - turned back the clock. Our front court was vastly overmatched. I think Lamb, with his athleticism, needed more burn. Despite Zeller's limitations he needs to play more minutes as well for his defense.

[Roy Tarpley]

I thought Lin was generally playing in control, although a bit passive -- much in the same way Dragic seemed to be a bit passive. This being said, Lin did pick his moments and drew a few fouls to get to the line. There was much ado about nothing regarding two rotations where Wade got on Lin and Wade backed Lin down to shoot a couple gimme 6 footers. That's not on Lin, he did the best he could, I think the blame here lies with Clifford for poor management and poor weakside help. There was another situation where Whiteside got a mismatch on Lin, but that was Zeller's fault for not staying back on the rollman -- if Lin wasn't there, Whiteside would've had an uncontested dunk rather than a somewhat contested dunk. Otherwise, Lin's D on Dragic was excellent.

Deng, Whiteside, and Wade killed us -- which seems to point to sub-par defense by Marvin, Zeller/Al/Frank, and Lee.

[phillycheese]

Lee had the most contested shots. I think the Wade cuts caused a lot of confusion, making Marv come off of Deng too much, leaving him open for the shots which he made.

[spaceballer]

So the Hornets held an "optional" practice session, and the ESPN guy spotted Jeremy there. Can't really identify any other players in the picture frame (is that Marv or MKG in the white T-Shirt?). I wonder which teammates showed up or decided to skip the "optional" practice. I'm hoping we don't already have guys too banged up from last game to show up for optional practice, in favor of resting and healing up instead. Or maybe they're blowing off steam from the loss and hanging out around town instead of going to the optional practice. Can't fault JLin's perfectionist gym rat work ethic.

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[yosemiteben]

They showed a clip earlier on the Hornets feed and it looked like a full practice.

[Snidely FC]

Known for developing talent, Atkinson worked closely with former Knicks guard Jeremy Lin during his breakout 2011-12 season, and was regularly credited by Lin and others for the former Harvard star’s success in New York.

so apparently the press has Lin already signed with BKN this summer since the hiring of Atkinson

[phillycheese]

That's the NYK press for you. They need the hits that Lin will bring in. Lin got a lot of press in Charlotte. Imagine that level times 100 and you get NYK.

[renmei]

I wouldn't put too much stock into that, NY media gonna do what they do. Lin's name often gets brought up wherever MDA gets a gig as well, gotta feed that rumor mill.

[fatlever]

Lin finished 7th in voting for 6th Man of Year. He was behind Crawford, Iggy, Kanter, Barton, Turner and Anderson.

[fatlever]

[spaceballer]

Rick Bonnell voted for Lin in 2nd place.

Dell Curry and Eric Collins did not vote for Lin at all.

Dell: Iggy, Kanter, Crawford
Collins: Thompson, Davis, Kanter

[Hank7]

Crawford at 36-years old still ball'in at a high level.

[spaceballer]

Who wants to sit next to Holly for Game 4?

https://www.reddit.com/r/CharlotteHornets/comments/4ff6kc/paying_it_forward_to_a_hornets_fan/

[Roy Tarpley]

Lin finished 7th in voting for 6th Man of Year. He was behind Crawford, Iggy, Kanter, Barton, Turner and Anderson.

If you look at Crawford's stats this year, and Lou Williams's last year, they're not that different from Lin's except that they basically shoot more (whether actual FGA or FTA).

[2k15]

Lin finished 7th in voting for 6th Man of Year. He was behind Crawford, Iggy, Kanter, Barton, Turner and Anderson.

If you look at Crawford's stats this year, and Lou Williams's last year, they're not that different from Lin's except that they basically shoot more (whether actual FGA or FTA).

how many of these sports guys really get to watch every NBA game that is played? at some point, you just look at the stat sheets and pick the one with the highest numbers.

even if your point holds, that if lin shot more he wouldve gotten the same numbers, fact is that he hasn't and these other guys have.

i guess if we really care about things other than scoring, we need stats for those softer things.