Fake Trade Thread 2014-15

Braggins · Post #1881 » by **Braggins** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:11 am

Klay Thompson is overrated and if the TWolves couldn't get him for K Love we have no chance and anything that might get them interested would be a terrible trade for us anyways.

MasterIchiro · Post #1882 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:41 am

Braggins wrote:Klay Thompson is overrated and if the TWolves couldn't get him for K Love we have no chance and anything that might get them interested would be a terrible trade for us anyways.

How do you know it wasn't the other way around and the Warriors couldn't get K Love by offering Thompson? For all we know the ultimate return (Wiggins + Bennett) suggests the Wolves totally worked the Cavs and could easily have been using the Warriors as a price driver all along. Thompson's contract must have been an issue all along. Would he have signed with the Wolves? Doubt it. Did the Warriors hope to sign him for less than his current demands? We don't know any of that stuff.

As far as Thompson being "overrated". LMAO at that. That's debatable. He's an elite talent who makes us a legit contender.

Post #1883 » by **JDR720** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:56 am

Im not really a fan of Klay, he doesn't rebound despite being 6'7" and he isn't a good playmaker either.

Post #1884 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:10 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
JDR720 wrote:They dont need MKG tho? They already have Barnes and Green/Iggy at SF

Well Barnes is a 6th man and Iggy can play SG.

They'd still have shooting with Curry, Barnes and someone like Hairston. They'd just have a lockdown perimeter defense to go with it.

No chance GSW makes that trade IMO. Did you really just argue that they'd still have shooting with Barnes, like he can come anywhere close to what they'd lose in Thompson? I love MKG, but IMO they miss the playoffs this season if they make that move. Not going to happen.

They almost knocked off LAC last playoffs with Bogut injured. They could be a legitimate threat to win it all if they have everyone healthy. Why would they trade Thompson and miss that opportunity?

LofJ · Post #1885 » by **LofJ** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:56 pm

Iggy is Golden State's MKG. They don't need another player in his mold. It's not a coincidence that Denver had its best season with Iggy and Golden State's defense went from average to top 5 after he signed with them. That's why so many of us (myself included) are very happy to have MKG on this team. To contend for a championship in a league where Durant, Lebron, Carmelo, George, soon to be Parker/Wiggins, etc. are the premier scorers you have to have someone like MKG on your team in order to have a chance.

Who do the Wizards and Clippers have that can slow down those guys? They don't have anyone and it's why I don't see either getting past the Cavaliers/Thunder respectively. The Warriors are a different matter though, if everyone is healthy I would not be surprised at all to see them in the Finals.

Eoghan · Post #1886 » by **Eoghan** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:19 pm

JDR720 wrote:Im not really a fan of Klay, he doesn't rebound despite being 6'7" and he isn't a good playmaker either.

Allan Houston 2.0

MasterIchiro · Post #1887 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:34 pm

Ok so the arguments I'm seeing here are difficult to reconcile

1) Klay Thompson is overrated, Allan Houston, can't do this or that yet

2) Warriors would NEVER trade him, Warriors would rather dump their whole team except for Steph Curry in order to keep him, Warriors are championship contenders if everyone stays healthy, Warriors would miss the playoffs without Klay Thompson

Can somebody help me out here?

This is some bull ****.

Bravenewworld · Post #1888 » by **Bravenewworld** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:49 pm

Braggins wrote:Klay Thompson is overrated and if the TWolves couldn't get him for K Love we have no chance and anything that might get them interested would be a terrible trade for us anyways.

TWolves could have pulled the trigger and had Klay, they simply waited to long.
You don't have unlimited time to make trades, good GMs and coaches dont want to have their roster and team in question for very long. If you cant be decisive and get a trade done, dont wait around expecting others to do the same.

MasterIchiro · Post #1889 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:54 pm

Bravenewworld wrote:
Braggins wrote:Klay Thompson is overrated and if the TWolves couldn't get him for K Love we have no chance and anything that might get them interested would be a terrible trade for us anyways.

TWolves could have pulled the trigger and had Klay, they simply waited to long.
You don't have unlimited time to make trades, good teams dont want to have their roster and team in question for very long. If you cant be decisive and get a trade done, dont wait around expecting others to do the same.

TWolves hesitated pulling the trigger because of Thompson's contract situation which we see is reaching an impasse with the Warriors. They wanted the high end talent of the cost controlled variety. They engaged the Warriors to drive up the price on the Cavs and it worked. My opinion.

Bravenewworld · Post #1890 » by **Bravenewworld** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:54 pm

That being said, i would not trade for Klay.

He is a good player but i think MKG holds higher value as a 3 and Lance as a 2.

Bravenewworld · Post #1891 » by **Bravenewworld** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:56 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:TWolves hesitated pulling the trigger because of Thompson's contract situation which we see is reaching an impasse with the Warriors. They wanted the high end talent of the cost controlled variety. They engaged the Warriors to drive up the price on the Cavs and it worked. My opinion.

Right.
It was the same situation the Warriors would have had with Love.
Seems fair to me.
Star for star, neither signed long term, both questionable if resigning to those teams.

I mean, it would have been a stupid move to do for both teams, but in terms of trades its a fair deal.

mrknowitall215 · Post #1892 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:58 pm

I would trade Lance Stephenson & Noah Vonleh for Klay Thompson if the Warriors would oblige. I really like Thompson's game and what he brings to the table. As far as next generation shooting guards, Thompson is arguably the best all-around considering that James Harden isn't interested playing defense

MasterIchiro · Post #1893 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:00 pm

Bravenewworld wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:TWolves hesitated pulling the trigger because of Thompson's contract situation which we see is reaching an impasse with the Warriors. They wanted the high end talent of the cost controlled variety. They engaged the Warriors to drive up the price on the Cavs and it worked. My opinion.

Right.
It was the same situation the Warriors would have had with Love.
Seems fair to me.
Star for star, neither signed long term, both questionable if resigning to those teams.

I mean, it would have been a stupid move to do for both teams, but in terms of trades its a fair deal.

The Wolves smartly unloaded Love for Wiggins and Bennett or else they would be in the same situation as the Warriors are with Thompson. The Hayward deal set a precedent for Thompson and his agent. I don't think the Warriors were prepared to commit that kind of money to Thompson but now they have to if they want to keep him and it won't be easy. I'm anxious to see if the 2 sides reach an extension by Friday. Klay Thompson is a rare commodity and he would be a target for a team on the fringe of contention who wants to make a big splash and go all-in. I'll be watching.

Bravenewworld · Post #1894 » by **Bravenewworld** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:01 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:I would trade Lance Stephenson & Noah Vonleh for Klay Thompson if the Warriors would oblige. I really like Thompson's game and what he brings to the table. As far as next generation shooting guards, Thompson is arguably the best all-around considering that James Harden isn't interested playing defense

The Hornets clearly have the best two way shooting guard in the game right now.

MasterIchiro · Post #1895 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:06 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:I would trade Lance Stephenson & Noah Vonleh for Klay Thompson if the Warriors would oblige. I really like Thompson's game and what he brings to the table. As far as next generation shooting guards, Thompson is arguably the best all-around considering that James Harden isn't interested playing defense

I would definitely do that deal but prefer alternate versions of which I'm not at liberty to be too specific considering a certain wager :wink:

mrknowitall215 · Post #1896 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:11 pm

Bravenewworld wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:I would trade Lance Stephenson & Noah Vonleh for Klay Thompson if the Warriors would oblige. I really like Thompson's game and what he brings to the table. As far as next generation shooting guards, Thompson is arguably the best all-around considering that James Harden isn't interested playing defense

The Hornets clearly have the best two way shooting guard in the game right now.

It's arguable like I stated, but I think Klay Thompson is the best two-way SG in the game right now (withstanding the declining Hall Of Fame careers of Kobe Bryant & Dwyane Wade)

mrknowitall215 · Post #1897 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:13 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:I would trade Lance Stephenson & Noah Vonleh for Klay Thompson if the Warriors would oblige. I really like Thompson's game and what he brings to the table. As far as next generation shooting guards, Thompson is arguably the best all-around considering that James Harden isn't interested playing defense

I would definitely do that deal but prefer alternate versions of which I'm not at liberty to be too specific considering a certain wager

The Warriors wouldn't even entertain that deal if it included the wink-worthy player that you speak of instead of Stephenson. They probably wouldn't even consider it as I originally proposed. The Warriors have a great thing brewing in Golden State with the 'Splash Brothers' whereas if I was a GM I wouldn't break them up just yet regardless

Bravenewworld · Post #1898 » by **Bravenewworld** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:15 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
Bravenewworld wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:I would trade Lance Stephenson & Noah Vonleh for Klay Thompson if the Warriors would oblige. I really like Thompson's game and what he brings to the table. As far as next generation shooting guards, Thompson is arguably the best all-around considering that James Harden isn't interested playing defense

The Hornets clearly have the best two way shooting guard in the game right now.

It's arguable like I stated, but I think Klay Thompson is the best two-way SG in the game right now (withstanding the declining Hall Of Fame careers of Kobe Bryant & Dwyane Wade)

I wouldnt suggest a swap.
Klay will put up two or three pts more then Lance, but Lance is twice the defender and really pisses off his opponent. A healthy Lance/MKG can deal with the Cavs, i dont think a healthy Klay/MKG could.

EDIT: I think Lance has a higher offensive skill set then Klay as well.

Post #1899 » by **JDR720** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:20 pm

I wouldn't trade Lance + Noah for Klay

-Klay wants a ridiculous contract
-Lance is on a very team friendly deal
-Noah has a ton of potential

and last season Lance was better than Klay

-Lance had close to double the amount of rebounds per game
-Double the assists
-More win shares
-shot higher % including true shooting % and effective FG%
-Did better in playoffs (and he has legit deep playoff experience)

Bravenewworld · Post #1900 » by **Bravenewworld** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:30 pm

JDR720 wrote:I wouldn't trade Lance + Noah for Klay

-Klay wants a ridiculous contract
-Lance is on a very team friendly deal
-Noah has a ton of potential

and last season Lance was better than Klay

-Lance had close to double the amount of rebounds per game
-Double the assists
-More win shares
-shot higher % including true shooting % and effective FG%
-Did better in playoffs (and he has legit deep playoff experience)

Agree.
Its also worth noting that Lance has an offensive skill set that Klay does not have and in terms of production was only limited by being a third/fourth option on a contend team

And the potential difference in that 2 for 1 is ridiculous. Noah actually has the potential to solve the Hornets PF issues. Even if he does not become a starting quality PF, he will still most likely at least be a defensive energy bench 4/5. Which given the tiny difference between Lance and Klay, is not worth it (assuming one values Klay more than Lance in the first place).
But IMO Noah will eventually be the same as he was in college (2,3 yrs down the road) which is a great fit next to a 20/10 center.