Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

[lin is ok]

yeah oladipo is a tough cover...except bryan roberts, (3rd string backup pg) was doing a fantastic job on him in the 4th when it mattered. Playing the D like lin should have.. Last month his shot has been awful. No player I know has crap shooting from a sprained ankle for so long. Usually, 1 to 2 weeks and the ankle is fully healed, even while playing through it. To me it just sounds like an excuse for his god awful performances, awful shooting percentages, awful 3 point percentages. Lin is NOT a superstar, if you need a good example of what a superstar is, look at kemba.

Lin and Lin only fans need to look in the mirror and accept the TRUTH. Lin is a bench player, a GOOD bench player, but still a bench player all the same. Its crazy, I got banned from both lin fan sites for telling it like it is. Guys on jlinportal called it "trolling" and banned me for pointing out that lin sucked last night. Bunch of crazy fanatics over there at jlinportal and jeremylin.net. Even though lin obviously sucked last night, there is so many delusional posts, giving so many excuses, blaming other players and the coach. Absolutely disgusting, and I would stop going there if it wasn't so entertaining. Its a damn cult, and anybody who is even suspected of saying anything that is opposite their "beliefs" is put on the blacklist and banned. If lin retired after this season, it might be for the best, his ridiculous fans are just ruining him.

Who said Lin is a superstar or any other type of star? Lin's finishing around the hoop was good in some games, not so good in others. His jump shot has been off pretty much the whole season, that's not due to his injury. What is due to his injury is explosiveness and steadiness on his feet. Last night was one of those nights where he had neither. And it affected his D too, he didn't really play Oladipo that well and did better in the first meeting against them.

On jlinportal I'm consider a Lin critic and not a true Lin fan and all that garbage. I get tired of the whining and putting down Kemba there and Lin can't play unless he is a point guard stuff. I point out that his handles are holding him back from PG and they act as if it is some other reason, some plot on Kemba and Batum's part to make Lin look bad which is ludicrous. Kemba and Batum want Lin to do well and like it when he does. So I'm in agreement with you about those sites. I stay on there hoping for some saner responses sometimes but it gets tiring all of the everyone is against Lin junk on them. Or not respecting the fact that Kemba has been mostly above his regular level of play and sometimes spectacular and not responsible for Lin not playing as well as he could.

I think Lin is a Ginobili-lite player. So his coming off the bench is fine with me. But he isn't just a backup either. But he seriously needs to work on his ball-security if he wants to be counted on to do the offensive things he's capable of doing. And he needs to fine-tune his passing timing and angles and stuff like that as well. He's playing below his skill level this season in my opinion.

Don't go to jLinportal! It's a Lin worshipping shrine there! One bad word about Lin and you're a child of Satan.
Site is filled with delusional lunatics with only the main admin being the logical one. His child mods are a bunch of fangirls starting up theories that NBA are purposely tying down Lin.

Give them break, they are just a little too christian evangelical for the most folks (includes me). You guys know.

[tonman]

Lin hasn't played poorly the last few games. He played poorly last night, but played fine the two games prior. He isn't right physically, some nights he's better than other nights. He has to handle pressure defenders better. If I were Lin's advisers and coaches, I'd have that be the number one priority to work on. Whether it is passing faster or just flat out dribbling with more purpose and skill to handle ball-pressure defenders better. I'm not worried about his shooting. He can still get in the paint and hit shots, he just has to figure out different ways to do it. And he is good at creating off the dribble-drive which is his game. His defense wasn't great last night but Oladipo is a tough cover for a lot of players and Oladipo was hitting his perimeter shot which isn't always the case.

yeah oladipo is a tough cover...except bryan roberts, (3rd string backup pg) was doing a fantastic job on him in the 4th when it mattered. Playing the D like lin should have.. Last month his shot has been awful. No player I know has crap shooting from a sprained ankle for so long. Usually, 1 to 2 weeks and the ankle is fully healed, even while playing through it. To me it just sounds like an excuse for his god awful performances, awful shooting percentages, awful 3 point percentages. Lin is NOT a superstar, if you need a good example of what a superstar is, look at kemba.

Lin and Lin only fans need to look in the mirror and accept the TRUTH. Lin is a bench player, a GOOD bench player, but still a bench player all the same. Its crazy, I got banned from both lin fan sites for telling it like it is. Guys on jlinportal called it "trolling" and banned me for pointing out that lin sucked last night. Bunch of crazy fanatics over there at jlinportal and jeremylin.net. Even though lin obviously sucked last night, there is so many delusional posts, giving so many excuses, blaming other players and the coach. Absolutely disgusting, and I would stop going there if it wasn't so entertaining. Its a damn cult, and anybody who is even suspected of saying anything that is opposite their "beliefs" is put on the blacklist and banned. If lin retired after this season, it might be for the best, his ridiculous fans are just ruining him.

Not a whole lot of folks here saying he is a superstar. Try looking at the stats for the hornets players. You say his percentages sucks. Well guess the whole team sucks. Kemba isn't close to a superstar so don't go down that road. Lin fans are no better or worse than any other fanatic fan of players. You went to a Lin site. What do you expect. Remember people are free to believe what they believe. Let me introduce you to politics..... like you admitted you go there for entertainment then come here and expect us to agree with you.... just continue with the discussions here and leave other sites out of this thread.

And I guess the toe is a worse injury than an ankle. Small sample size but your bench player is averaging 18 ppg mostly playing out of position in 8 starts.

[lin is ok]

Lin hasn't played poorly the last few games. He played poorly last night, but played fine the two games prior. He isn't right physically, some nights he's better than other nights. He has to handle pressure defenders better. If I were Lin's advisers and coaches, I'd have that be the number one priority to work on. Whether it is passing faster or just flat out dribbling with more purpose and skill to handle ball-pressure defenders better. I'm not worried about his shooting. He can still get in the paint and hit shots, he just has to figure out different ways to do it. And he is good at creating off the dribble-drive which is his game. His defense wasn't great last night but Oladipo is a tough cover for a lot of players and Oladipo was hitting his perimeter shot which isn't always the case.

yeah oladipo is a tough cover...except bryan roberts, (3rd string backup pg) was doing a fantastic job on him in the 4th when it mattered. Playing the D like lin should have.. Last month his shot has been awful. No player I know has crap shooting from a sprained ankle for so long. Usually, 1 to 2 weeks and the ankle is fully healed, even while playing through it. To me it just sounds like an excuse for his god awful performances, awful shooting percentages, awful 3 point percentages. Lin is NOT a superstar, if you need a good example of what a superstar is, look at kemba.

Lin and Lin only fans need to look in the mirror and accept the TRUTH. Lin is a bench player, a GOOD bench player, but still a bench player all the same. Its crazy, I got banned from both lin fan sites for telling it like it is. Guys on jlinportal called it "trolling" and banned me for pointing out that lin sucked last night. Bunch of crazy fanatics over there at jlinportal and jeremylin.net. Even though lin obviously sucked last night, there is so many delusional posts, giving so many excuses, blaming other players and the coach. Absolutely disgusting, and I would stop going there if it wasn't so entertaining. Its a damn cult, and anybody who is even suspected of saying anything that is opposite their "beliefs" is put on the blacklist and banned. If lin retired after this season, it might be for the best, his ridiculous fans are just ruining him.

Not a whole lot of folks here saying he is a superstar. Try looking at the stats for the hornets players. You say his percentages sucks. Well guess the whole team sucks. Kemba isn't close to a superstar so don't go down that road. Lin fans are no better or worse than any other fanatic fan of players. You went to a Lin site. What do you expect. Remember people are free to believe what they believe. Let me introduce you to politics..... like you admitted you go there for entertainment then come here and expect us to agree with you.... just continue with the discussions here and leave other sites out of this thread.

And I guess the toe is a worse injury than an ankle. Small sample size but your bench player is averaging 18 ppg mostly playing out of position in 8 starts.

couldn't have expressed it any better.

[Roy Tarpley]

Jeremy Lin in his 8 games as a starter this year (i.e., playing against other teams' starting Gs).

35.3 min/game
47.6% FG
40.0% 3PT
82.9% FT
3.4 REB
3.5 AST
18.3 PTS

Not too shabby.

[13th Man]

One thing I'm getting quite annoyed with is sour star players getting away with blatant flagrants against Jeremy without even an attempt at a review. First Kobe then now Melo. As you can see, the uppercut swing was nowhere near the ball.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqjm1WZbPxQ[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NILYJABO3-Y[/youtube]

[Elden Payton]

One thing I'm getting quite annoyed with is sour star players getting away with blatant flagrants against Jeremy without even an attempt at a review. First Kobe then now Melo. As you can see, the uppercut swing was nowhere near the ball.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqjm1WZbPxQ[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NILYJABO3-Y[/youtube]

The Melo swipe was an obvious accident.

There is no conspiracy and I'm pretty sure first ballot HOFers aren't sour at career journeyman Lin.

[13th Man]

Your entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. The swipe was nowhere near the ball, the camera doesn't lie. Who the heck tries to steal the ball by uppercutting to the face? Nobody.

HOFers, journeyman, custodians or what have you is not an indication of one's character.

[Elden Payton]

Your entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. The swipe was nowhere near the ball, the camera doesn't lie. Who the heck tries to steal the ball by uppercutting to the face? Nobody.

HOFers, journeyman, custodians or what have you is not an indication of one's character.

I was watching the game and it was bad but I wouldn't say it was intentional.

You were the one calling them sour star players...Jeremy Lin is an absolute nobody in the history of the NBA, he's a career journeyman and a backup...

First ballot HOFers who are true legends of the game have no bitter rivalry with him...haha

Oh no, Melo must be so jealous because Lin got hot for 26 games when he was injured 4 years ago...better throw an uppercut

[bws94]

Your entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. The swipe was nowhere near the ball, the camera doesn't lie. Who the heck tries to steal the ball by uppercutting to the face? Nobody.

HOFers, journeyman, custodians or what have you is not an indication of one's character.

I was watching the game and it was bad but I wouldn't say it was intentional.

You were the one calling them sour star players...Jeremy Lin is an absolute nobody in the history of the NBA, he's a career journeyman and a backup...

First ballot HOFers who are true legends of the game have no bitter rivalry with him...haha

Oh no, Melo must be so jealous because Lin got hot for 26 games when he was injured 4 years ago...better throw an uppercut

I wouldn't be so quick to say that. Whatever Lin is, he's more than how you characterize him to a lot of people. He has a story that a lot of people relate to.

Anyway, Anthony showed that he didn't love the attention Lin got in his little Linsanity run. They were team mates. I'm not saying that Anthony is thinking of Lin now but he sure didn't like all the media attention that Lin had and he was right there on the same team as Lin. I don't know whether that blow was intentional or not, but it could have been a flagrant.

Lin has had his way with the Knicks. Anthony tried to send some message I think. There are ways to do it without hurting a player and ways that could. If LIn had an injury that knocked him out, the Hornets are down a pretty productive player.

Just because someone is an HOF player doesn't mean they aren't an absolutely a-hole and will treat other people in the NBA like garbage or take cheap shots at them. So this status thing you're running doesn't wash.

[bws94]

As a long time Knick watcher, back to Frazier and Reed, I've seen great Knicks through the years. I'm no fan of Anthony. He can score, but I don't consider him in the same breath as I consider some of the all-time great Knicks. The guy has always rubbed me the wrong way too as a player and person.

[13th Man]

Your entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. The swipe was nowhere near the ball, the camera doesn't lie. Who the heck tries to steal the ball by uppercutting to the face? Nobody.

HOFers, journeyman, custodians or what have you is not an indication of one's character.

I was watching the game and it was bad but I wouldn't say it was intentional.

You were the one calling them sour star players...Jeremy Lin is an absolute nobody in the history of the NBA, he's a career journeyman and a backup...

First ballot HOFers who are true legends of the game have no bitter rivalry with him...haha

Oh no, Melo must be so jealous because Lin got hot for 26 games when he was injured 4 years ago...better throw an uppercut

Anybody that has followed Lin closely would know that they both have a history together from Linsanity (which was a big deal), to the Rockets poison pill ordeal to the billboard fiasco. Sorry if I don't think Lin has to bow down to the majestic Duke of Carmelo Anthony. Still think it was a blatant cheap shot, we can agree to disagree.

[Teddyb]

Your entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. The swipe was nowhere near the ball, the camera doesn't lie. Who the heck tries to steal the ball by uppercutting to the face? Nobody.

HOFers, journeyman, custodians or what have you is not an indication of one's character.

I was watching the game and it was bad but I wouldn't say it was intentional.

You were the one calling them sour star players...Jeremy Lin is an absolute nobody in the history of the NBA, he's a career journeyman and a backup...

First ballot HOFers who are true legends of the game have no bitter rivalry with him...haha

Oh no, Melo must be so jealous because Lin got hot for 26 games when he was injured 4 years ago...better throw an uppercut

I promise you Melo was jealous of Lin when Lin was in NY....they LOVED Lin there and Melo not so much. MVP chants rained from the stands during that time.....and Melo had a lot to do with Lin not getting signed.....Trust me Melo was jealous. I doubt he's jealous now

[13th Man]

I don't think he's jealous now either but since Kobe could get away with the blatant hack, hey why not?

[bws94]

I don't think he's jealous now either but since Kobe could get away with the blatant hack, hey why not?

Players need to be protected from the superstars to the 3rd string bench players. The league has made the flagrant foul rule for that reason. At least review it to see if it is a common foul or a flagrant. It would have been called a flagrant 1 I think and that sends a message to any player you have to be more careful when you send a message to a guy about getting into the paint.

In reality, Lin is a pain in the neck for opponents and they want to knock him around to make him feel it going into the paint. That doesn't work, I think he likes getting knocked around. The way to stop Lin from going into the paint is to block a bunch of his layup attempts, steal the ball, or disrupt his passes, not knock him around. Or you can have a ball hawk defender disrupt his dribble and balance before the drive.

[KM6]

Jeremy Lin in his 8 games as a starter this year (i.e., playing against other teams' starting Gs).

35.3 min/game
47.6% FG
40.0% 3PT
82.9% FT
3.4 REB
3.5 AST
18.3 PTS

Not too shabby.

And even when he doesn't start, his playing time is mostly against starters since he closes 4th quarter regularly.

[TinmanZBoy]

anybody who can bring out linsanity, sweep the NBA world by storm, setting records in his first 4 starts... is not nobody... Lin was a phenomenon and will always be a great story in NBA lore... it does not take a harvard's degree to understand that
Adam Morrison is nobody's nobody...
that being said, i don't think those two hard fouls were intentional at all....it showed: 1, Lin is so quick in the lane 2, Kobe and Melo are too damn slow nowadays, I can understand Kobe being slow, but Melo? i've watched a few of NYK's game, he is declining lately, Knicks has to be worried

[phillycheese]

The act of upper cutting someone is not a natural move. If you're trying for the block it should be a raised arm that is coming down. So the play looked awkward on Melo's part. Maybe he was trying to dislodge the ball but hitting Lin's arms whilst hiding the contact from officials. Not sure, but it looked like he got all face and no ball. From behind it did not look like much (and that was the point from Melo's perspective), but from under the basket the foul was obvious. So if the ref was not in the right position he could have gotten away with it.

[hood30]

Only starting?

Wait until you meet a Chandler Parsons fangirl, I ran into a few of them when he was on the Rockets. I also know several fans of various soccer and tennis stars cus of their looks. It happens lol

yes, i heard chandler parsons is a model. Too bad for his fangirls, they don't know that he swings the other way

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[hood30]

There are no above the rim finisher and slasher in this team. Maybe that's one reason why.

This is one reason. Another is that no one can hit an open shot except Batum or Kemba, and neither are really catch and pop shooters. Another is that no one really sets great picks, and even those that occasionally set picks (Hawes, Frank, Zeller) don't roll or pop well. Another is that the Hornets don't run. Another is that Lin's injury and shooting woes have limited spacing opportunities.

I think more Troy would help -- dude is shooting 48% from 3PT. Maybe a slashing MKG would help too.

The biggest reason why Lin's assist numbers is down because he barely gets to initiate the offense and the majority of his minutes has him playing off the ball alongside Kemba.

Kemba is playing massive amount of minutes and that diminishes Lin chance to run the team.

Ideally, Kemba would play about 31-32 minutes and Lin would get at least 17 minutes to be the main PG, but that's not even happening since Clifford has also been playing Roberts a lot to run the PG while Lin continues to play off the ball.

[hood30]

Lin hasn't played poorly the last few games. He played poorly last night, but played fine the two games prior. He isn't right physically, some nights he's better than other nights. He has to handle pressure defenders better. If I were Lin's advisers and coaches, I'd have that be the number one priority to work on. Whether it is passing faster or just flat out dribbling with more purpose and skill to handle ball-pressure defenders better. I'm not worried about his shooting. He can still get in the paint and hit shots, he just has to figure out different ways to do it. And he is good at creating off the dribble-drive which is his game. His defense wasn't great last night but Oladipo is a tough cover for a lot of players and Oladipo was hitting his perimeter shot which isn't always the case.

yeah oladipo is a tough cover...except bryan roberts, (3rd string backup pg) was doing a fantastic job on him in the 4th when it mattered. Playing the D like lin should have.. Last month his shot has been awful. No player I know has crap shooting from a sprained ankle for so long. Usually, 1 to 2 weeks and the ankle is fully healed, even while playing through it. To me it just sounds like an excuse for his god awful performances, awful shooting percentages, awful 3 point percentages. Lin is NOT a superstar, if you need a good example of what a superstar is, look at kemba.

Lin and Lin only fans need to look in the mirror and accept the TRUTH. Lin is a bench player, a GOOD bench player, but still a bench player all the same. Its crazy, I got banned from both lin fan sites for telling it like it is. Guys on jlinportal called it "trolling" and banned me for pointing out that lin sucked last night. Bunch of crazy fanatics over there at jlinportal and jeremylin.net. Even though lin obviously sucked last night, there is so many delusional posts, giving so many excuses, blaming other players and the coach. Absolutely disgusting, and I would stop going there if it wasn't so entertaining. Its a damn cult, and anybody who is even suspected of saying anything that is opposite their "beliefs" is put on the blacklist and banned. If lin retired after this season, it might be for the best, his ridiculous fans are just ruining him.

Not a whole lot of folks here saying he is a superstar. Try looking at the stats for the hornets players. You say his percentages sucks. Well guess the whole team sucks. Kemba isn't close to a superstar so don't go down that road. Lin fans are no better or worse than any other fanatic fan of players. You went to a Lin site. What do you expect. Remember people are free to believe what they believe. Let me introduce you to politics..... like you admitted you go there for entertainment then come here and expect us to agree with you.... just continue with the discussions here and leave other sites out of this thread.

And I guess the toe is a worse injury than an ankle. Small sample size but your bench player is averaging 18 ppg mostly playing out of position in 8 starts.

You said everything I wanted to say here...What do you expect from a "Lin-cintrict" fan site?...I'm sure if there was kemba fan site, they'd feel the same way about him.

All you have to do is to simply stay away from Lin's fan site..Those sites are only for Lin true fan..Don't be coming here complaining about Lin fan on his site. [EDIT - mods]

As for Lin, I agree he's not a star player, but I also don't think he's a bench player neither...Lin could start for at the very least, half of the team in the NBA right now...He's clearly better than guys like Calderon, Ish Smith, Beverly, Elfrid Payton, Carter-Williams, Trey Burke.

Some of these guys on that list are much younger with better potential, but as for statistics, Lin has better or equal stats to all of them.

Also, as a starter for the Hornets, Lin is averaging 18PPG on 47FG% and .40 3point%...Those are great numbers that I wasn't even aware of until yesterday.

So, Lin is much more than a decent bench player...That would be an insult to call him a good bench player...He's a starter but not an all-star.

If he starts, he could easily average 14PPG and 6-7 assist..That'd be a given..If you let him shoot more and let him run PnR, he could do much better as for points...In Houston, as a starter, he got 13ppg and 6 which is very good considering he was the 4th option there and playing alongside ball-dominant Harden.

As for Lin's assist numbers being low as an Hornet player...that has to do with Clifford refusing to let him play PG...Even when Kemba takes a rest, Clifford brings in Roberts to play PG while Lin remains off the ball.....So don't expect his assist numbers to grow.

and as I've stated, he already prove he can bag assist while he was with the rockets and Knicks...even as a Lakers, he got 4.6 assist, but a lot of that had to do with him coming off the bench and Scott having Kobe and than Clarckson and Ronnie Price running the PG.