Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

[Belf]

I would've traded Batum for LaVine BEFORE this disastrous season, yeah I'd do this one in a heartbeat. Makes little sense for Chicago though. Even they wanted to draft Trey Young, you keep LaVine since he's younger and nearly as good as a healthy Nic.

LaVine doesn't play defense though. Can't have a starting back court of LaVine and Young and expect to stop anybody in this league. We have Nwaba and Dunn that can cover the hard assignment from the other team, but realistically then we are paying LaVine $20m per year to be our bench mob leader at that point since they can't share the court together. Batum might be productive if given a a more free flowing offense in a new town. He can still knock down a 3 and he can play a bit of defense on the wing. And we get Kaminsky a solid young center of the future. Overall I don't think its a terrible deal for us. Like I said though, it's only a thing if we know we are getting Trae Young. Otherwise I'd keep LaVine with us as the "scoring threat who doesn't play D" guy.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

If the Hornets decide to tank I've got to think that Marvin to the Pels for their 1st round pick has got to be in play.

[BuzzCity]

If the Hornets decide to tank I've got to think that Marvin to the Pels for their 1st round pick has got to be in play.

What contract we taking back?

[bravor]

They obviously would want to get rid of Asik. There are worst contracts, but it does not help Hornets here. I doubt Pelicans & Hornets could be good trade partners, even if S. Hill comes back from injury before deadline.

For Marvin, in this situation, one of the best trade partner would be the Pacers. You swap Marvin and T. Young (PO in 2018/19, salaries match basically).

Other than that, something could be done with Memphis since they are probably tanking now. Davis could be an interesting prospect along with J. Green and Ennis (expiring). Hard to guess what they would be looking for, but their youngest prospects don't match their commitment to Gasol & Conley and the contract they gave to Parssons (who is more untradable than Batum as crazy as it sounds..).

But if they trade Evans (career high and expiring), they will need a scorer from the bench and Lamb would be an ideal fit imo (trade would looklike this). Not sure a lot would do it, but i know i would (long term prospect at C here with potential high ceiling and good fit with Cody,and a much needed 3D who is not too limited offensively that could be kept on a T friendly contract unlike Lamb).

[stinger14]

If the Hornets decide to tank I've got to think that Marvin to the Pels for their 1st round pick has got to be in play.

What contract we taking back?

Asik.....and his contract saves us a little this year, and is a year shorter than Marvs. I would so this with Marv or MKG if they prefer him.

Good trade for both teams as Marv can stretch the floor for AD, play solid defense, and is a good locker room guy. If MKG, he can give them a wing defender and move E. Moore to his natural SG position. Also, their coaches would be smart enough to give him minutes at PF

Hornets grab a pick in the teens where there will be some talent this year

[HornetJail]

Yeah I think Marvin for Asik and NOLA 1st this year makes a lot of sense. Asik makes $10.5M this year, and $11.3M next year, then we can waive him and we'll only have to pay him $3M in 2019-20. I think a mid 1st is about right in terms of value needed to cover the cost of moving a plus piece like Marvin for a complete deadweight one like Asik.

[JDR720]

Yeah I do that deal. Since Marvin is playing well, I would still try to find a deal without taking on a contract like asiks though.

[stinger14]

Yeah I do that deal. Since Marvin is playing well, I would still try to find a deal without taking on a contract like asiks though.

Take on the contract which is smaller and shorter to get the pick. We don't need to worry about money for a couple of years. Get the young guys through the draft, let contracts such as Asik expire, and then sign players to complete rebuild.
Marv want bring a pick like this without ta king a contract too

[HornetJail]

Yeah I do that deal. Since Marvin is playing well, I would still try to find a deal without taking on a contract like asiks though.

I don't think even Marvin's good play right now is fetching a mid 1st by himself. I think we'd have to take back a contract. Asik's contract really doesn't even affect us since we'll be over the cap this summer regardless.

I just wouldn't take on Solomon Hill

[JDR720]

Yeah I do that deal. Since Marvin is playing well, I would still try to find a deal without taking on a contract like asiks though.

I don't think even Marvin's good play right now is fetching a mid 1st by himself. I think we'd have to take back a contract. Asik's contract really doesn't even affect us since we'll be over the cap this summer regardless.

I just wouldn't take on Solomon Hill

I would rather do something like frye + 2018 first from Cleveland.

[stinger14]

Trade 1
Marvin to Pelicans for Asik and their 1st

Trade 2
MKG to Minnesota for Aldrich, filler, and the OKC 1st

Trade 3
Kemba to Cavs for IT, Frye, and BKN 1st

Trade 4
IT to another team (Detroit ?) for their 1st and contract filler

With these moves, we tank and get a top 5 pick.

Results,
Aldrich expiring
Frye expiring

Our pick top 5
BKN pick top 10
Pelicans pick mid teens
Detroit pick mid teens
OKC pick mid 20's

These picks present opportunities such as combining picks to move up. Great opportunity to reduce payroll and add some young talent with lots of potential

[HornetJail]

Yeah I do that deal. Since Marvin is playing well, I would still try to find a deal without taking on a contract like asiks though.

I don't think even Marvin's good play right now is fetching a mid 1st by himself. I think we'd have to take back a contract. Asik's contract really doesn't even affect us since we'll be over the cap this summer regardless.

I just wouldn't take on Solomon Hill

I would rather do something like frye + 2018 first from Cleveland.

you'd rather have a 22-27th pick than a 12th-18th pick just because of the extra year on Asik's contract? We can't even use the saved money with Frye unless we dumped way more salary.

[HornetJail]

Trade 1
Marvin to Pelicans for Asik and their 1st

Trade 2
MKG to Minnesota for Aldrich, filler, and the OKC 1st

Trade 3
Kemba to Cavs for IT, Frye, and BKN 1st

Trade 4
IT to another team (Detroit ?) for their 1st and contract filler

With these moves, we tank and get a top 5 pick.

Results,
Aldrich expiring
Frye expiring

Our pick top 5
BKN pick top 10
Pelicans pick mid teens
Detroit pick mid teens
OKC pick mid 20's

These picks present opportunities such as combining picks to move up. Great opportunity to reduce payroll and add some young talent with lots of potential

count me out of the MKG trade, but the rest look fine if we really want to go that direction and we love this draft. Typically adding 4-5 rookies in one season isn't successful but I assume we could trade a couple of those picks to move up.

[JDR720]

I don't think even Marvin's good play right now is fetching a mid 1st by himself. I think we'd have to take back a contract. Asik's contract really doesn't even affect us since we'll be over the cap this summer regardless.

I just wouldn't take on Solomon Hill

I would rather do something like frye + 2018 first from Cleveland.

you'd rather have a 22-27th pick than a 12th-18th pick just because of the extra year on Asik's contract? We can't even use the saved money with Frye unless we dumped way more salary.

I don't think the difference in picks will net that big a difference in terms of who is picked. New Orleans might not want to trade their first with cousins down anyway. Cleveland might also give us something extra since they are contenders and have the nets pick.

[HornetJail]

I would rather do something like frye + 2018 first from Cleveland.

you'd rather have a 22-27th pick than a 12th-18th pick just because of the extra year on Asik's contract? We can't even use the saved money with Frye unless we dumped way more salary.

I don't think the difference in picks will net that big a difference in terms of who is picked. New Orleans might not want to trade their first with cousins down anyway. Cleveland might also give us something extra since they are contenders and have the nets pick.

I take the NOLA trade and run with it if it's offered, because there's a chance everything short circuits without Cousins there and that pick potentially falls as far down as #10. I don't know a lot about this draft, but the Cavs pick is a lock to be low. There's a lot more upside to a NOLA pick.

But if they don't offer that, and Cleveland just offers their own 1st, Frye, Osman (I hear he's decent but idk anything about him) I guess it makes sense if that's the direction we want to go. Only issue there is it takes the Brooklyn pick off the table for a possible Kemba trade due to the fact they've already dealt their 2019 pick and can't be pick-less in two straight drafts.

[dmutombo321]

Trade 1
Marvin to Pelicans for Asik and their 1st

Trade 2
MKG to Minnesota for Aldrich, filler, and the OKC 1st

Trade 3
Kemba to Cavs for IT, Frye, and BKN 1st

Trade 4
IT to another team (Detroit ?) for their 1st and contract filler

With these moves, we tank and get a top 5 pick.

Results,
Aldrich expiring
Frye expiring

Our pick top 5
BKN pick top 10
Pelicans pick mid teens
Detroit pick mid teens
OKC pick mid 20's

These picks present opportunities such as combining picks to move up. Great opportunity to reduce payroll and add some young talent with lots of potential

This is exactly the type of tear down and asset accumulation they need to be exploring.

[Liver_Pooty]

Trade 1
Marvin to Pelicans for Asik and their 1st

Trade 2
MKG to Minnesota for Aldrich, filler, and the OKC 1st

Trade 3
Kemba to Cavs for IT, Frye, and BKN 1st

Trade 4
IT to another team (Detroit ?) for their 1st and contract filler

With these moves, we tank and get a top 5 pick.

Results,
Aldrich expiring
Frye expiring

Our pick top 5
BKN pick top 10
Pelicans pick mid teens
Detroit pick mid teens
OKC pick mid 20's

These picks present opportunities such as combining picks to move up. Great opportunity to reduce payroll and add some young talent with lots of potential

This is exactly the type of tear down and asset accumulation they need to be exploring.

But instead we will trade for Avery Bradley and keep the treadmill going.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Trade 1
Marvin to Pelicans for Asik and their 1st

Trade 2
MKG to Minnesota for Aldrich, filler, and the OKC 1st

Trade 3
Kemba to Cavs for IT, Frye, and BKN 1st

Trade 4
IT to another team (Detroit ?) for their 1st and contract filler

With these moves, we tank and get a top 5 pick.

Results,
Aldrich expiring
Frye expiring

Our pick top 5
BKN pick top 10
Pelicans pick mid teens
Detroit pick mid teens
OKC pick mid 20's

These picks present opportunities such as combining picks to move up. Great opportunity to reduce payroll and add some young talent with lots of potential

This is exactly the type of tear down and asset accumulation they need to be exploring.

I'm OK with trading for picks, but I don't feel like they all have to be this summer. I've really liked what Boston has done in having multiple picks for several years running. That's a good approach IMHO because of the relative risk involved with each individual pick.

[yosemiteben]

So are guys like Jae Crowder or Avery Bradley good or not?

[Marino]

So are guys like Jae Crowder or Avery Bradley good or not?

good for the treadmill, not for the rebuild.