Fake Trade Thread 2014-15

[MasterIchiro]

No deal in the NBA is perfect. I peg the Hornets as a team willing to overpay for a game changer as long as they can keep the main pieces in tact as they upgrade. The Hornets have a need for range shooting and a stable of assets. You can argue either side of many trade proposals - ultimately it comes down to the willingness of a team to get really aggressive in the right situation - the Cavs just did it to bring in Love to compliment Lebron. They set the standard. The Hornets have stayed within reach imo. One big blockbuster move away or 2 smaller solid moves.

[yosemiteben]

Ok so the arguments I'm seeing here are difficult to reconcile

1) Klay Thompson is overrated, Allan Houston, can't do this or that yet

2) Warriors would NEVER trade him, Warriors would rather dump their whole team except for Steph Curry in order to keep him, Warriors are championship contenders if everyone stays healthy, Warriors would miss the playoffs without Klay Thompson

Can somebody help me out here?

This is some bull ****.

I disagree with (1) and obviously agree with (2). You proposed MKG + Hairston and picks. Thompson is like the best parts of both MKG and Hairston with much more experience in a system that he already thrives in. They have already proven that they can be a deep playoff threat by taking LAC to seven games when they were down one of their best players.

Do you seriously think they would entertain that trade?

With that said, I'd be curious how GSW fans would react to a Lance + Vonleh + 1st trade offer if Thompson isn't extended.

[Braggins]

Klay Thompson is overrated and if the TWolves couldn't get him for K Love we have no chance and anything that might get them interested would be a terrible trade for us anyways.

How do you know it wasn't the other way around and the Warriors couldn't get K Love by offering Thompson? For all we know the ultimate return (Wiggins + Bennett) suggests the Wolves totally worked the Cavs and could easily have been using the Warriors as a price driver all along. Thompson's contract must have been an issue all along. Would he have signed with the Wolves? Doubt it. Did the Warriors hope to sign him for less than his current demands? We don't know any of that stuff.

As far as Thompson being "overrated". LMAO at that. That's debatable. He's an elite talent who makes us a legit contender.

He isnt a good ballhandler or passer. He doesnt create for himself or others and is completely reliant on being set up by others. He doesnt rebound. He doesnt get assists. He doesnt get steals or blocks or make many defensive plays. He is a fine but overrated defender. He does one thing extremely well. He is one of the most overrated players in the NBA and after seeing some of these comments id have to say he is the most overrated player by this board. I wouldnt trade Lance or MKG for him straight up. Not trading MKG would be based on potential but Lance is better now easily and has a much higher ceiling.

[Braggins]

Klay is Kyle Korver with a little more athleticism and defense.

[BlackOutBuzz]

I'm with Bravenewworld on this one. I'm not even sure Klay is a better player than Lance, in fact I kinda doubt it. It's a fair argument though.

Even if you believe Klay is better, it ain't by much, so throwing in Vonleh would be a severe overpay.

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[MasterIchiro]

Ok so the arguments I'm seeing here are difficult to reconcile

1) Klay Thompson is overrated, Allan Houston, can't do this or that yet

2) Warriors would NEVER trade him, Warriors would rather dump their whole team except for Steph Curry in order to keep him, Warriors are championship contenders if everyone stays healthy, Warriors would miss the playoffs without Klay Thompson

Can somebody help me out here?

This is some bull ****.

I disagree with (1) and obviously agree with (2). You proposed MKG + Hairston and picks. Thompson is like the best parts of both MKG and Hairston with much more experience in a system that he already thrives in. They have already proven that they can be a deep playoff threat by taking LAC to seven games when they were down one of their best players.

Do you seriously think they would entertain that trade?

With that said, I'd be curious how GSW fans would react to a Lance + Vonleh + 1st trade offer if Thompson isn't extended.

No I did not. I posed that package as a clarification of bassman's proposal.

[Bravenewworld]

I'm with Bravenewworld on this one. I'm not even sure Klay is a better player than Lance, in fact I kinda doubt it. It's a fair argument though.

Even if you believe Klay is better, it ain't by much, so throwing in Vonleh would be a severe overpay.

I think its pretty clear to most of us that Klay is/will end up as the better distance shooter. He will probably put up amazing percentages with PPG being pretty much maxed out right now.
That being said Lance's offense is ten times more diverse, his shooting is not bad or a determent and the defensive difference of Lance being able to shut down Lebron (as much as we've seen anyone do, which is him and Thabo in 2012) versus Klay's.... what? B-/B defense? Is definitely a big deal and that alone is not worth the trade off.

But then we have to get into the conversation of adding Noah when realistically you would be talking something along the lines of GSWs adding an expiring David Lee.

The problem i see with Klay, and this is about him in general (not the trade). Is he is always going to be a third fiddle.
A young rebuilding team has say, a ball handling and scoring PG or SF. They are ready to spend a max or near max contract to bring in that second piece, do they go with Klay? No, they go big, obviously. Okay.
So you now have the big and the guard as the 1/2 option and the key pieces to the puzzle.
Klay, will always be that third person they would bring in. Never the first or second. Which also means he wont get that first or second money AND we wont see him get the 21+ he could probably easily do. I honestly think he is maxed out as is and i also don't think the warriors will do anything with him on that roster. Its not really because of him, but that whole team structure just seems very fragile.

[MasterIchiro]

Klay is Kyle Korver with a little more athleticism and defense.

Yosemite Ben claims he's the best of Hairston (shooting) and MKG (defense).

I think you guys need to pick a lane or else discuss amongst yourselves. I'm not going to argue both sides simultaneously. I would just say that if Klay Thompson doesn't extend by Friday, he would be a target I plan to monitor because I believe Charlotte is a fringe contender and would be at the front of the line to get a crack at this type of player (one who seeks and will get a max deal from some GM).

[MasterIchiro]

I would trade Lance Stephenson & Noah Vonleh for Klay Thompson if the Warriors would oblige. I really like Thompson's game and what he brings to the table. As far as next generation shooting guards, Thompson is arguably the best all-around considering that James Harden isn't interested playing defense

I would definitely do that deal but prefer alternate versions of which I'm not at liberty to be too specific considering a certain wager

The Warriors have a great thing brewing in Golden State with the 'Splash Brothers' whereas if I was a GM I wouldn't break them up just yet regardless

Of course, if you could make it work financially. I think that remains to be seen, thus the impasse between Klay's camp and the Warriors. We'll see if the Warriors can do what they intend. Intentions and results are different things.

[Braggins]

Klay is Kyle Korver with a little more athleticism and defense.

Yosemite Ben claims he's the best of Hairston (shooting) and MKG (defense).

I think you guys need to pick a lane or else discuss amongst yourselves. I'm not going to argue both sides simultaneously. I would just say that if Klay Thompson doesn't extend by Friday, he would be a target I plan to monitor because I believe Charlotte is a fringe contender and would be at the front of the line to get a crack at this type of player (one who seeks and will get a max deal from some GM).

Hes a fine player and one any team should be happy to have. He would absolutely be a good fit on our roster too. The problem is that hes essentially just a really good role player that wants to be paid like an all-star/borderline superstar and Golden State seems to expect to be compensated as such. I just dont see any way we get him without giving up way more value than he is worth and wasting a ton of cap space on a complimentary piece.

[yosemiteben]

I mean we're not the ones making trade proposals. Not our job to build a consensus view for you.

Everyone in the league is going to be paying attention to what GSW does with Klay.

[MasterIchiro]

I mean we're not the ones making trade proposals. Not our job to build a consensus view for you.

Everyone in the league is going to be paying attention to what GSW does with Klay.

I'm not seeking a consensus view, just refuse to argue on both ends. It's like these extremes have been set up and there is like this big vacuum in the middle that sucks out any potential discussion in the middle ground. I'm merely floating the notion, not trying to unite both camps.

But to extend the rationale of one of the ones making trade proposals (Bassman), I could see where if and only IF the Warriors can't fit Klay into their budget at his asking price and if IF his camp is unwilling to compromise and prepared to take the Warriors to restricted free agency, I can see how maybe they'd consider at least partially replacing his shooting at the deadline with a cost-controlled player with elite shooting potential (Hairston). It's a huge loss in talent but if money is the issue, I can see how Hairston would be attractive as a shooter since he's so cheap. As far as MKG goes, I can see how they'd love to have Iguodola as a 2-way monster paired with someone who could potentially become an Iggy type of player.

It's not like Bassman's offer is scrap.

EDIT: Bassman stated MKG + players plural.

So that could mean MKG + Hairston + Zeller or MKG + Hairston + Vonleh (although he loves Vonleh so I doubt he'd advocate that) but I could see his MKG + Hairston + Zeller as a competitive package, not including the picks which could be a 1st and a 2nd, two 1sts or two 2nds

[yosemiteben]

My bad MI, didn't realize that Bassman made the proposal and you were just vetting it.

I think this is all silly because there's no reason that GSW needs to extend Klay anyway. If they really don't want to pay the max because they aren't sure he's worth it, just let him become a RFA and then match. They have two full seasons to go before they would lose him for nothing, they aren't shipping him out this season.

[MasterIchiro]

My bad MI, didn't realize that Bassman made the proposal and you were just vetting it.

I think this is all silly because there's no reason that GSW needs to extend Klay anyway. If they really don't want to pay the max because they aren't sure he's worth it, just let him become a RFA and then match. They have two full seasons to go before they would lose him for nothing, they aren't shipping him out this season.

My thinking is although the Warriors may feel unsure if Klay is worth the max, they must know, based on the precedent set by Charlotte, Utah and Hayward that some team possibly multiple teams will be willing to offer Klay Thompson the max - so if they can't sign an extension at less than max, it's basically setting themselves up for a budget crisis. Unlike the Jazz, they don't have the kind of cap space to match a max without really feeling it throughout the roster. Anything short of gutting the entire roster minus Curry in order to keep Klay, as Mr. Know It All aka The Yankee Oracle suggests, I think their situation is a major challenge for them and they may find themselves in TWolves territory with Love, financially speaking, if they're not already there.

[Eoghan]

Ok so the arguments I'm seeing here are difficult to reconcile

1) Klay Thompson is overrated, Allan Houston, can't do this or that yet


This is some bull ****.

Hey, Houston didn't totally suck. There was a reason why he got that huge contract that turned toxic when his knees disintegrated. Klay's a good player and would be a good get for us but probably not worth moving heaven and earth for. He looks a lot better than he really is b/c SG is possibly the thinnest position going right now.

[yosemiteben]

I think that's a bit of an overreaction - Klay's max is only like $15M, that type of contract shouldn't cripple a franchise. They already have an absurdly cheap deal with Curry for three more years. I will agree that when Curry is done with that deal he's definitely going to pursue a max deal and that affording both will be a bit of a trick, but it seems premature to do anything with Klay anytime soon. At the very least it makes no sense at all to trade him now.

I genuinely think we are planning on keeping enough space available that we can give Curry that max and pry him from the Bay area.

[TheKingofSting]

If we were going to pay Hayward handsomely then I don't see any problem in paying Klay.

[MasterIchiro]

If we were going to pay Hayward handsomely then I don't see any problem in paying Klay.

And the Warriors front office must know this. It will be interesting to see how they use this information.

We'll know more after the extension deadline.

He could be a restricted free agent at the end of the season, just like Hayward. It could become obvious the Warriors are unwilling to pay the max and thus far the word is Klay's camp is frustrated the Warriors aren't close.

If the Warriors know they will have to pay the max on a match and they don't want to pay the max in the first place, evidenced by the impasse, the only thing to do to avoid paying that max is to deal him to a team willing to pay him the max, able to absorb a max and willing to part with significant pieces.

[Braggins]

Klays per game average for rebounds, assists, blocks, and steals combined over the past two years is 7.05 which is lower than just Lance's rebounds per game from last year. He still hasn't had a season where his PER was at or above the league average. His best attribute is his shooting/scoring and his points per game average isn't anything spectacular either at 18.4 last year. I don't know how you justify giving him the max or trading Lance or MKG + more value, which seems to be at least what it would take to attain and keep him. I guess with the future cap increase paying him next years max might be worth it if we could get him for something reasonable.

[Bravenewworld]

My bad MI, didn't realize that Bassman made the proposal and you were just vetting it.

I think this is all silly because there's no reason that GSW needs to extend Klay anyway. If they really don't want to pay the max because they aren't sure he's worth it, just let him become a RFA and then match. They have two full seasons to go before they would lose him for nothing, they aren't shipping him out this season.

My thinking is although the Warriors may feel unsure if Klay is worth the max, they must know, based on the precedent set by Charlotte, Utah and Hayward that some team possibly multiple teams will be willing to offer Klay Thompson the max - so if they can't sign an extension at less than max, it's basically setting themselves up for a budget crisis. Unlike the Jazz, they don't have the kind of cap space to match a max without really feeling it throughout the roster. Anything short of gutting the entire roster minus Curry in order to keep Klay, as Mr. Know It All aka The Yankee Oracle suggests, I think their situation is a major challenge for them and they may find themselves in TWolves territory with Love, financially speaking, if they're not already there.

Slightly off topic here, and people are very sensitive to this topic (often taking offense to it). But the Warriors have a bit of a mess on their hands with their contracts, coaching and FO. Since i have to take a team out of the play-offs this year in the West, its going to be them and for that reason (i cant leave PHX out).
Of course if you say this a dozen warrior fans jump out of tree's and bash you (same thing happens when you say the Raptors wont be in the playoffs this season), but its true.