Hornets Sign Lance Stephenson 3y/27.5 mil (p67)

[PacerNation24]

Lance wasn't their most talented player, but he was their best player and the player with the most heart. Losin him is a big blow. There will probably be at least 4 teams better than Indy in the east next year, at least.

Did you just call Lance our best player...

By seasons end Lance was the heart and soul of your team. Not the best scorer, not the most talented, but of all the things he brought the table nobody on the Pacers was more valuable. Not Hibbert, not Paul George who went from being a borderline superstar to just being called a good player, and not D West who's showing signs of slowing. Do I think he's better than Paul George, not really, but at the end of the season, I think he clearly overachieved and played better than George.

I am sorry, but you really need to watch some more Pacers games before jumping to that conclusion. At the end of the season, Lance was the most hated Pacer inside the locker room. As more and more quotes and "sources" come out and continue to come out, you can make an argument the reason we lost our way was because of Lance. And you say Paul George just became a good player? PG averaged 23/8/4 on 44% shooting in the playoffs, he is our best player and to be honest, it wasn't even close. Also, from the perspective of a Pacers fan, heart and soul of our team can only be attributed to David West, he is our leader, he is the guy who keeps everyone in line. Our coach has called him our middle linebacker, and heart and soul so many times its not even funny, and Lance was probably 4th or 5th in line for that role.

Again, you say at the end of the season Lance overachieved and played better than George, I call bull once again. Lance was better the first half of the season than the second half. He played within our offense, was a team first player, and did all the little things a good team needs. However, once Lance preformed well and Vogel started to shift the offense to feature him just a bit more, thats when the bad Lance came, and the Lance you keep saying overachieved. Lance turned into to a me first scorer, a ball dominate wing, who at times would just flat out refuse to pass the ball, and would keep trying to be the go-to guy on our team, when it was clear as day that guy had to be Paul George. Thats where the locker room troubles happened, Lance kept trying to be the guy, and turned into a ball dominant selfish player, Hibbert didn't like it (and said things to the media he shouldn't have, which made it worse) Hill didn't like it, and then the locker room split.

Look Lance is a good player, and can be a very good player, but he was not out best player, and fields the most blame for the collapse of our team last season. Lance was great for us the first half, PG was a superstar, Lance was a team first all-around good player, and D-West was our second option. Once the second half came, Lance was all about himself and stats, he wanted to prove he could be the man, he would steal rebounds, hold the ball for 20 seconds, refuse to pass, and now its becoming clear he was a big locker room issue. The bottom line is Lance isn't on George's level and he isn't close, he can't score as well, defend as well, and may be a slightly better passer at best, and brings a lot more baggage than PG. D-West is also a better scorer and was our leader, and as you said, West was our true "heart and soul" of our team. I remain firm in my stance that Lance can be a very very good player, but right now he isn't there, and he has a lot of work to be done, and shouldn't even be in the discussion if he is as good as Paul George, let alone even on the same level as him.

Saying Lance isn't on the same level as PG isn't an insult either, I consider PG to be a top 10, top 15 player at worst in the NBA.

[TheKingofSting]

I don't know what is more sick in that pic fats posted Lance's ride or shirt.

[antistrat]

I don't know what is more sick in that pic fats posted Lance's ride or shirt.

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[BlackOutBuzz]

I don't know what is more sick in that pic fats posted Lance's ride or shirt.

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For a second I thought it said "Cho."

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[TheKingofSting]

I don't know what is more sick in that pic fats posted Lance's ride or shirt.

belt buckle

For a second I thought it said "Cho."

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Me too

[fatlever]

i am certainly no expert on the pacers, but if i had to point a finger at someone for their 2nd half troubles, my first option would be hibbert.

[TheKingofSting]

I think its funny in general how Pacers fans were begging him to sign back with them three or four days ago and now losing him is no big deal and "that is the way Lance always acts" are just some of their snobbish comments. I hope they enjoy being a 6 or 7, seed this coming season.

Well I don't know which fans you are reffering to but i will give you two things, 1) Lance is our 3rd best player at best, that won't drop us 5 or 6 seeds, and 2) Most fans weren't begging to have him back. I was one of those that wanted him back to begin with, but as more time comes by, and more quotes come out from around the team, something has become very clear, Lance wasn't very well liked in our locker room. I am one of the Pacers fans now, who believes we will be BETTER without Lance. First of all our team chemistry will be better overall without him, and secondly, another ball dominate wing is not what we needed. We already have Paul George on the wing, and Lance dribbling the ball for 20 seconds on some possessions just doesn't cut it. Lance was perfect for us the first half when he didn't try to run the offense himself, but over the 2nd half when he tried to take control of the offense and be the guy who ran it, we fell apart. Losing Lance will likely end up being a good thing for us tbh. Though that doesn't mean it can't be a positive for Charlotte.

It was all over twitter when you search Lance Stephenson.

[MPM]

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For a second I thought it said "Cho."

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Me too

I'm just going to continue to believe it says Cho. Cho requires all new team members to wear CHO-designed bling, which he then uses to monitor their movements and feed bio-data into CHO-bot.

[HornetJail]

i am certainly no expert on the pacers, but if i had to point a finger at someone for their 2nd half troubles, my first option would be hibbert.

Hibbert, then George, then replacing Granger with Evan Turner, then Lance IMO.

Paul George shot like Kemba for the second half of the season.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I'm honestly interested to see how the pacers do. My suspicion is that they start hot given continuity and that they have something to prove. I also think that they will cool down later in the year as the grind sets in and that they will not do as well n the playoffs.

[HornetJail]

I'm honestly interested to see how the pacers do. My suspicion is that they start hot given continuity and that they have something to prove. I also think that they will cool down later in the year as the grind sets in and that they will not do as well n the playoffs.

Me too, but that team doesn't have much of a heart anymore. Paul George might have been their best player- even when he was shooting south of 40% toward the end of last season, he was by far their most impactful, most talented player, but Lance was the heart and soul of the team... just like Al was our best player and Kemba was the heart and soul last season.

Lance was the best playmaker on the team as well. George Hill and either CJ Miles or Rodney Stuckey are likely the starting guards on that team. Stuckey was probably a good pickup for them, but that's a craptastic guard lineup and if Hibbert doesn't put himself together, a 34-year-old David West has to carry a lot of that burden. I think that team will be in over its head unless Paul George takes another step towards superstardom.

[PacerNation24]

I'm honestly interested to see how the pacers do. My suspicion is that they start hot given continuity and that they have something to prove. I also think that they will cool down later in the year as the grind sets in and that they will not do as well n the playoffs.

Me too, but that team doesn't have much of a heart anymore. Paul George might have been their best player- even when he was shooting south of 40% toward the end of last season, he was by far their most impactful, most talented player, but Lance was the heart and soul of the team... just like Al was our best player and Kemba was the heart and soul last season.

Lance was the best playmaker on the team as well. George Hill and either CJ Miles or Rodney Stuckey are likely the starting guards on that team. Stuckey was probably a good pickup for them, but that's a craptastic guard lineup and if Hibbert doesn't put himself together, a 34-year-old David West has to carry a lot of that burden. I think that team will be in over its head unless Paul George takes another step towards superstardom.

Guys, Lance can't be the heart and soul of our team if no one liked him here...

[olive_triangurl]

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[KembaWalker]

I'm honestly interested to see how the pacers do. My suspicion is that they start hot given continuity and that they have something to prove. I also think that they will cool down later in the year as the grind sets in and that they will not do as well n the playoffs.

Me too, but that team doesn't have much of a heart anymore. Paul George might have been their best player- even when he was shooting south of 40% toward the end of last season, he was by far their most impactful, most talented player, but Lance was the heart and soul of the team... just like Al was our best player and Kemba was the heart and soul last season.

Lance was the best playmaker on the team as well. George Hill and either CJ Miles or Rodney Stuckey are likely the starting guards on that team. Stuckey was probably a good pickup for them, but that's a craptastic guard lineup and if Hibbert doesn't put himself together, a 34-year-old David West has to carry a lot of that burden. I think that team will be in over its head unless Paul George takes another step towards superstardom.

Guys, Lance can't be the heart and soul of our team if no one liked him here...

Nobody on the Panthers liked Steve Smith, he beat up his teammates and was an **** to pretty much everyone, demanded the ball constantly. always made himself the center of attention with stupid antics and . he was still our heart and soul of our team for over a decade

[Tarheel11981]

It's funny how a lot of the Pacers' players went to Twitter saying how much they would miss him!

[BeesWax]

I'm honestly interested to see how the pacers do. My suspicion is that they start hot given continuity and that they have something to prove. I also think that they will cool down later in the year as the grind sets in and that they will not do as well n the playoffs.

Me too, but that team doesn't have much of a heart anymore. Paul George might have been their best player- even when he was shooting south of 40% toward the end of last season, he was by far their most impactful, most talented player, but Lance was the heart and soul of the team... just like Al was our best player and Kemba was the heart and soul last season.

Lance was the best playmaker on the team as well. George Hill and either CJ Miles or Rodney Stuckey are likely the starting guards on that team. Stuckey was probably a good pickup for them, but that's a craptastic guard lineup and if Hibbert doesn't put himself together, a 34-year-old David West has to carry a lot of that burden. I think that team will be in over its head unless Paul George takes another step towards superstardom.

Guys, Lance can't be the heart and soul of our team if no one liked him here...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/hoya2apacer/status/489403351617245184[/tweet]

Looks like not everyone hated him.

[KembaWalker]

ol down later in the year as the grind sets in and that they will not do as well n the playoffs.

Me too, but that team doesn't have much of a heart anymore. Paul George might have been their best player- even when he was shooting south of 40% toward the end of last season, he was by far their most impactful, most talented player, but Lance was the heart and soul of the team... just like Al was our best player and Kemba was the heart and soul last season.

Lance was the best playmaker on the team as well. George Hill and either CJ Miles or Rodney Stuckey are likely the starting guards on that team. Stuckey was probably a good pickup for them, but that's a craptastic guard lineup and if Hibbert doesn't put himself together, a 34-year-old David West has to carry a lot of that burden. I think that team will be in over its head unless Paul George takes another step towards superstardom.

Guys, Lance can't be the heart and soul of our team if no one liked him here...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/hoya2apacer/status/489403351617245184[/tweet]

Looks like not everyone hated him.[/quote]

I just went to Paul Georges twitter for kicks. Scroll down about halfway (NSFW)

what a freakin dumbass. why does a guy whos already known for impregnating a stripper follow pornstars on his twitter account. pacers must be embarrassed

[olive_triangurl]

I just went to Paul Georges twitter for kicks. Scroll down about halfway (NSFW)

what a freakin dumbass. why does a guy whos already known for impregnating a stripper follow pornstars on his twitter account. pacers must be embarrassed

Paul George is a bad influence imho

i'm glad we went with Lance

[PacerNation24]

Me too, but that team doesn't have much of a heart anymore. Paul George might have been their best player- even when he was shooting south of 40% toward the end of last season, he was by far their most impactful, most talented player, but Lance was the heart and soul of the team... just like Al was our best player and Kemba was the heart and soul last season.

Lance was the best playmaker on the team as well. George Hill and either CJ Miles or Rodney Stuckey are likely the starting guards on that team. Stuckey was probably a good pickup for them, but that's a craptastic guard lineup and if Hibbert doesn't put himself together, a 34-year-old David West has to carry a lot of that burden. I think that team will be in over its head unless Paul George takes another step towards superstardom.

Guys, Lance can't be the heart and soul of our team if no one liked him here...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/hoya2apacer/status/489403351617245184[/tweet]

Looks like not everyone hated him.

Say what you want, but Roy called Lance a selfish player several times during the season, and Roy did not like playing with Lance, regardless of whether he tweeted a goodbye or not.

[fatlever]

Guys, Lance can't be the heart and soul of our team if no one liked him here...

can you post some links that have the quotes from the players about them not liking lance? i am not saying its not true, but i'd just like to see it for myself.