Fake Trade Thread #6

[JDR720]

I think the team fully intends to tank another year at least. The moves they've made doesn't seem to imply otherwise.

[JustBuzzin]

Yeah seems like they just want a different kind of center.

Hopefully we can get some good value for him. At this point we should be featuring him these last 10+ games to get that value as high as possible.

[fatlever]

if we landed at 6, would you trade #6 and miller for #1

[JustBuzzin]

if we landed at 6, would you trade #6 and miller for #1

This is not realistic because nobody is trading the #1 pick especially when Flagg is viewed as a generational prospect.

To answer your question yes I would trade Miller and the #6 for Flagg. That's a no brainer.

[JMAC3]

if we landed at 6, would you trade #6 and miller for #1

I would probably say no, too much uncertainty to trade a young 20 ppg scorer and top pick for.

[JMAC3]

Going to trade Mark Williams for a 2029 first round pick and win 19 games next year playing Nurkic and Diabate lol. I am telling you, we would be better off to hire Stephen A Smith as our GM, at least he would actually try to get players that can win games.

[KembaWalker]

That offer might have at least gotten you not laughed off the phone last offseason but Brandon did nothing but lose value this year. Probably a lot of value too, not that we’d have ever explored trading him anyway.

He sucked this year and had a big question mark injury stink on him and no offseason to further work on his game or body. He’s got months of rehab and strength training left just to get back to what he was this season

[Chapelchilla]

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Hopefully they can trade Mark for fair value or Nurkic for cap room at some point.

[Liver_Pooty]

if we landed at 6, would you trade #6 and miller for #1

Speak it into existence.

[JMAC3]

That offer might have at least gotten you not laughed off the phone last offseason but Brandon did nothing but lose value this year. Probably a lot of value too, not that we’d have ever explored trading him anyway.

He sucked this year and had a big question mark injury stink on him and no offseason to further work on his game or body. He’s got months of rehab and strength training left just to get back to what he was this season

I think saying a guy that averaged 21 ppg, shot 35% from three, averaged 3.5 assists per game as a wing and improved his defense sucked this year is a bit hyperbolic. He improved from an 8% defender as a rookie to a 61% defender as a 2nd year player according to EPM. Also improved his finishing at the rim from 56% to 66%.

If you expected him to be Anthony Edwards or Devin Booker levels of good in year 2 you had unrealistic expectations from day 1. His shooting efficiency regressing slightly over a 27 game sample size doesn't earn the label he sucks from me especially with a coach who wasn't utilizing his skillset by any fan with half a brain.

Man it is tough crowd, hopefully whoever we draft in this upcoming draft doesn't underperform your standards, 18 ppg through your first 101 games means you are ass in these parts.

[JustBuzzin]

Miller struggled because of the system. You can't blame him when all he's asked to do is shoot 3's.

Lee system only works if you have the talent. Celtics system was successful because they have actual good players. Just because you come from a successful system doesn't mean it will work on a lesser team.


Lee needs to improve his system this off-season. Miller is more than a 3pt shooter. Get him some mid range shots. Let him control the ball some he needs to get better as a creator.

[KembaWalker]

That offer might have at least gotten you not laughed off the phone last offseason but Brandon did nothing but lose value this year. Probably a lot of value too, not that we’d have ever explored trading him anyway.

He sucked this year and had a big question mark injury stink on him and no offseason to further work on his game or body. He’s got months of rehab and strength training left just to get back to what he was this season

I think saying a guy that averaged 21 ppg, shot 35% from three, averaged 3.5 assists per game as a wing and improved his defense sucked this year is a bit hyperbolic. He improved from an 8% defender as a rookie to a 61% defender as a 2nd year player according to EPM. Also improved his finishing at the rim from 56% to 66%.

If you expected him to be Anthony Edwards or Devin Booker levels of good in year 2 you had unrealistic expectations from day 1. His shooting efficiency regressing slightly over a 27 game sample size doesn't earn the label he sucks from me especially with a coach who wasn't utilizing his skillset by any fan with half a brain.

Man it is tough crowd, hopefully whoever we draft in this upcoming draft doesn't underperform your standards, 18 ppg through your first 101 games means you are ass in these parts.

Jordan Poole averages 21 PPG and 4.5 apg in 4 less minutes per game than Miller, on significantly better efficiency lol. Miller played like straight garbage this season, if you want to say that’s Lees fault, that’s an angle I’m willing to lend some credence but we don’t have to pretend he was good this year. He wasn’t

[JMAC3]

That offer might have at least gotten you not laughed off the phone last offseason but Brandon did nothing but lose value this year. Probably a lot of value too, not that we’d have ever explored trading him anyway.

He sucked this year and had a big question mark injury stink on him and no offseason to further work on his game or body. He’s got months of rehab and strength training left just to get back to what he was this season

I think saying a guy that averaged 21 ppg, shot 35% from three, averaged 3.5 assists per game as a wing and improved his defense sucked this year is a bit hyperbolic. He improved from an 8% defender as a rookie to a 61% defender as a 2nd year player according to EPM. Also improved his finishing at the rim from 56% to 66%.

If you expected him to be Anthony Edwards or Devin Booker levels of good in year 2 you had unrealistic expectations from day 1. His shooting efficiency regressing slightly over a 27 game sample size doesn't earn the label he sucks from me especially with a coach who wasn't utilizing his skillset by any fan with half a brain.

Man it is tough crowd, hopefully whoever we draft in this upcoming draft doesn't underperform your standards, 18 ppg through your first 101 games means you are ass in these parts.

Jordan Poole averages 21 PPG and 4.5 apg in 4 less minutes per game than Miller, on significantly better efficiency lol. Miller played like straight garbage this season, if you want to say that’s Lees fault, that’s an angle I’m willing to lend some credence but we don’t have to pretend he was good this year. He wasn’t

Jordan Poole is in his 6th NBA season lol. Do you really think that is the same thing?

Anthony Edwards yr 2 -21 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 3.8 apg. efg% of 52.7%
Brandon Miller yr 2 - 21 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 3.6 apg, efg% 50.9%

Man, Miller not even in the same stratosphere here huh... good to see both players were "not good" in their 2nd seasons lol.

[KembaWalker]

I think saying a guy that averaged 21 ppg, shot 35% from three, averaged 3.5 assists per game as a wing and improved his defense sucked this year is a bit hyperbolic. He improved from an 8% defender as a rookie to a 61% defender as a 2nd year player according to EPM. Also improved his finishing at the rim from 56% to 66%.

If you expected him to be Anthony Edwards or Devin Booker levels of good in year 2 you had unrealistic expectations from day 1. His shooting efficiency regressing slightly over a 27 game sample size doesn't earn the label he sucks from me especially with a coach who wasn't utilizing his skillset by any fan with half a brain.

Man it is tough crowd, hopefully whoever we draft in this upcoming draft doesn't underperform your standards, 18 ppg through your first 101 games means you are ass in these parts.

Jordan Poole averages 21 PPG and 4.5 apg in 4 less minutes per game than Miller, on significantly better efficiency lol. Miller played like straight garbage this season, if you want to say that’s Lees fault, that’s an angle I’m willing to lend some credence but we don’t have to pretend he was good this year. He wasn’t

Jordan Poole is in his 6th NBA season lol. Do you really think that is the same thing?

Anthony Edwards yr 2 -21 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 3.8 apg. efg% of 52.7%
Brandon Miller yr 2 - 21 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 3.6 apg, efg% 50.9%

Man, Miller not even in the same stratosphere here huh... good to see both players were "not good" in their 2nd seasons lol.

Anthony Edwards took a significant efficiency jump in his 2nd season. Brandon Miller dropped significantly.
Anthony Edwards was 20 his second season. Brandon Miller is 22.

Poor comp.

[JMAC3]

Jordan Poole averages 21 PPG and 4.5 apg in 4 less minutes per game than Miller, on significantly better efficiency lol. Miller played like straight garbage this season, if you want to say that’s Lees fault, that’s an angle I’m willing to lend some credence but we don’t have to pretend he was good this year. He wasn’t

Jordan Poole is in his 6th NBA season lol. Do you really think that is the same thing?

Anthony Edwards yr 2 -21 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 3.8 apg. efg% of 52.7%
Brandon Miller yr 2 - 21 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 3.6 apg, efg% 50.9%

Man, Miller not even in the same stratosphere here huh... good to see both players were "not good" in their 2nd seasons lol.

Anthony Edwards took a significant efficiency jump in his 2nd season. Brandon Miller dropped significantly.
Anthony Edwards was 20 his second season. Brandon Miller is 22.

Poor comp.

Yes mine was the poor comp... meanwhile you compared Brandon Miller with 101 games played to Jordan Poole in year 6 of his career.

Do you think you are making sense right now bouncing all over the place with this logic?

[KembaWalker]

Jordan Poole is in his 6th NBA season lol. Do you really think that is the same thing?

Anthony Edwards yr 2 -21 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 3.8 apg. efg% of 52.7%
Brandon Miller yr 2 - 21 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 3.6 apg, efg% 50.9%

Man, Miller not even in the same stratosphere here huh... good to see both players were "not good" in their 2nd seasons lol.

Anthony Edwards took a significant efficiency jump in his 2nd season. Brandon Miller dropped significantly.
Anthony Edwards was 20 his second season. Brandon Miller is 22.

Poor comp.

Yes mine was the poor comp... meanwhile you compared Brandon Miller with 101 games played to Jordan Poole in year 6 of his career.

Do you think you are making sense right now bouncing all over the place with this logic?

I didn't comp him to Poole in a progression sense the way you just tried to do with Ant, I said his numbers this season were not impressive, because Jordan Poole outplayed him this season. Jordan Poole outplaying someone regardless of age is a fair barometer for poor play. All I said was that Brandon Miller had a poor season, which is accurate, whereas you are trying to portray like he's on some Anthony Edwards development trajectory, which is idiotic.

[JMAC3]

Anthony Edwards took a significant efficiency jump in his 2nd season. Brandon Miller dropped significantly.
Anthony Edwards was 20 his second season. Brandon Miller is 22.

Poor comp.

Yes mine was the poor comp... meanwhile you compared Brandon Miller with 101 games played to Jordan Poole in year 6 of his career.

Do you think you are making sense right now bouncing all over the place with this logic?

I didn't comp him to Poole in a progression sense the way you just tried to do with Ant, I said his numbers this season were not impressive, because Jordan Poole outplayed him this season. Jordan Poole outplaying someone regardless of age is a fair barometer for poor play. All I said was that Brandon Miller had a poor season, which is accurate, whereas you are trying to portray like he's on some Anthony Edwards development trajectory, which is idiotic.

You are right, most people who believe in a 2nd year player averaging 21 ppg are idiots. Much better to tell everyone how much they suck and continuously say it over and over to make sure to hammer your point home to prove how much smarter you are.

Devin Booker in year 2 - 22 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 3.4 apg, 47.5% efg.

Man hope Brandon Miller doesn't turn out like Booker longterm- he was such a bad player early in his career too apparently lol

[KembaWalker]

Yes mine was the poor comp... meanwhile you compared Brandon Miller with 101 games played to Jordan Poole in year 6 of his career.

Do you think you are making sense right now bouncing all over the place with this logic?

I didn't comp him to Poole in a progression sense the way you just tried to do with Ant, I said his numbers this season were not impressive, because Jordan Poole outplayed him this season. Jordan Poole outplaying someone regardless of age is a fair barometer for poor play. All I said was that Brandon Miller had a poor season, which is accurate, whereas you are trying to portray like he's on some Anthony Edwards development trajectory, which is idiotic.

You are right, most people who believe in a 2nd year player averaging 21 ppg are idiots. Much better to tell everyone how much they suck and continuously say it over and over to make sure to hammer your point home to prove how much smarter you are.

Devin Booker in year 2 - 22 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 3.4 apg, 47.5% efg.

Man hope Brandon Miller doesn't turn out like Booker longterm- he was such a bad player early in his career too apparently lol

Besides again Booker being 20 in his second season versus a 22 year old Miller which is a HUGE difference, still irrelevant to what I even said.
I never said Miller was a dud prospect going forward, just said he had a poor season that when combined with his major injury has done a significant amount of damage to his trade value. When the question is "would you trade 6 and Miller for 1" I'm saying the obvious answer is, it doesnt matter because nobody would accept 6 and Miller for 1. Someone might have considered it if he had a stellar healthy 2nd season and showed superstar trajectory, but that is very far from what happened.

He can still bounce back and become a great player, step back from the ledge my dude. He just needs to not suck again next year, which is possible

[JMAC3]

I didn't comp him to Poole in a progression sense the way you just tried to do with Ant, I said his numbers this season were not impressive, because Jordan Poole outplayed him this season. Jordan Poole outplaying someone regardless of age is a fair barometer for poor play. All I said was that Brandon Miller had a poor season, which is accurate, whereas you are trying to portray like he's on some Anthony Edwards development trajectory, which is idiotic.

You are right, most people who believe in a 2nd year player averaging 21 ppg are idiots. Much better to tell everyone how much they suck and continuously say it over and over to make sure to hammer your point home to prove how much smarter you are.

Devin Booker in year 2 - 22 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 3.4 apg, 47.5% efg.

Man hope Brandon Miller doesn't turn out like Booker longterm- he was such a bad player early in his career too apparently lol

Besides again Booker being 20 in his second season versus a 22 year old Miller which is a HUGE difference, still irrelevant to what I even said.
I never said Miller was a dud prospect going forward, just said he had a poor season that when combined with his major injury has done a significant amount of damage to his trade value. When the question is "would you trade 6 and Miller for 1" I'm saying the obvious answer is, it doesnt matter because nobody would accept 6 and Miller for 1. Someone might have considered it if he had a stellar healthy 2nd season and showed superstar trajectory, but that is very far from what happened.

He can still bounce back and become a great player, step back from the ledge my dude. He just needs to not suck again next year, which is possible

You have consistently been down on Miller in multiple threads over multiple months, so this is more than just the 6+ Miller take. I think your expectations for what a guy should do this early in his career is just unrealistic lol. He played 1 year of college, unless your Luka Doncic, LeBron James, Anthony Davis etc you aren't going to be an All-NBA player in year 2 in the NBA.

The majority of top 50 players in the league right now probably had worse or similar seasons to Brandon Miller did in year 2. It is not going to be some huge outlier if Miller ends up very very good. Idk where you get the idea that most 2nd year players are certified superstars or have superstar trajectory at that point- just pointing out I think your logic or expectations are very weird.

Again, look at the 2nd seasons of Cade, Franz, Paolo, Curry, Tatum, Jimmy Butler, Shai, Morant.... hard to say anyone of these guys was massively more impressive than what Brandon Miller did in year 2, but you are entitled to your lofty expectations for Hornets players.

[JMAC3]

I never said Miller was a dud prospect going forward, just said he had a poor season that when combined with his major injury has done a significant amount of damage to his trade value.

He can still bounce back and become a great player, step back from the ledge my dude. He just needs to not suck again next year, which is possible

Also you a few weeks ago.

Miller and Williams could develop into guys that are average starters on typical contenders, the good role player guys

Brandon as far as being a starter level player on a real contender like Cleveland, Boston, OKC is now (Houston is not even close to a real contender). on one of those teams with his inefficient scoring hes like a 12ppg player that does nothing else but low tier scoring. a solid bench weapon. he needs to get a LOT better.

So yeah this is where I think what you are saying about Miller Could Become an average starter long-term and he would be an inefficient bench scorer on a good team is just laughable bad takes.

Imagine us asking Cleveland if they wanted to give us the 20th pick in the draft for Brandon Miller and they responded with "Nah, he would be a bench player for us, so we really have no interest in him as piece moving forward".

I mean why would Cleveland even want Miller, according to you he is basically a worse version of Jordan Poole.