Geometry: The Frank Kaminsky Thread

[316Hornets]

In the last 50 minutes Frank has played the Hornets are -50.... something is wrong with the guy... he's leading the league in taking the ball out of the net after the opponent scores and he doesn't even play that many minutes

Frank is like a statue on both ends of the floor. He's also horribly inconsistent on offense, which means he'll probably go something like 8/10 next game with 3/3 from deep, and everyone will forget these games for a couple days.

[Diop]

is he seeing many minutes at centre? is he to slow to defend any pf's?

[Liver_Pooty]

Ill stick with my Byron Mullens comparison.

For now anyway

[HoopsMalone]

Looking at +/- from 1 or 2 games is generally stupid. But in this case it's legit. Frank was the human torch defensively and he can't stop firing up bricks and getting stripped on offense. It really annoys me that he whines at the ref after every turnover and brick instead of getting back on defense.

[316Hornets]

Looking at +/- from 1 or 2 games is generally stupid. But in this case it's legit. Frank was the human torch defensively and he can't stop firing up bricks and getting stripped on offense. It really annoys me that he whines at the ref after every turnover and brick instead of getting back on defense.

Thanks for pointing out Frank constantly arguing calls. That's downright hilarious that our slowest player would rather argue calls than hustling back on defense.

[catch20two]

I think Frank would be a more valuable player if he just stuck to the flow of the offense instead of thinking he can create offense off the dribble so often. It’s when he tries to force the issue and make things happen that he make the silly mistakes that make me face palm so often. He could learn a thing or two from Marv in that regard.

[JDR720]

He isn't nearly as dumb as mullens. Probably a career backup type though, which was his draft projection.

[LamarMatic7]

I think Frank would be a more valuable player if he just stuck to the flow of the offense instead of thinking he can create offense off the dribble so often. It’s when he tries to force the issue and make things happen that he make the silly mistakes that make me face palm so often. He could learn a thing or two from Marv in that regard.

That's where the divide is, right?

I am (and I assume you as well) in the boat of - the guy just isn't that special. He has some nice skills, but, unfortunately, in today's game he can only become an above average bench player who provides offense. I'd say that he's simply playing in the wrong era as the four position has just gotten way too fast for him.

In the meantime, it's reasonable that the people who expect more out of him believe in those glimpses of him forcing the issue. In my opinion, those Dirk-type of shots will never fall for him for more than a couple of hot games before he cools down again. I guess that might change, but I just don't see it given his lack of speed, the type of shots he usually can find for himself (tough ones) and in the way the guy really is struggling with open 3-pointers all this time.

So that's where we sometimes poke fun at the fact that the Justin Hamilton's of the world have terrific performances against the Hornets (as Frank is struggling in the same game), while people will point out that Frank's role is so much tougher than just simply launching threes. Yeah, it currently is. However, the evidence is only piling up of him rather being a Marvin Williams-type of usage player for the rest of his career (that's if you want the maximum efficiency out of him).

[fatlever]

Frank has been brutal on the road so far. 34%, -17.9 net rating. Entire team bad on road, but Frank has been worst of the bunch. But he's been really good at home, so... 50/50.

[Snidely FC]

I am not convinced Frank's poor play is all his fault. I am of the opinion that Frank is not being utilized in the way best suited to his skillset. He should be playing inside out, not outside in. Similar to Cody Zeller's career arc, where the team insisted that he was a stretch 4 until injuries to the starter allowed Cody to shine at Center. I think Frank is a backup 5, not a stretch 4. Unfortunately, with Dwight bumping Cody to backup C my hypothesis is not going to be tested for a while . . .

[yosemiteben]

He should be playing inside out, not outside in.

Kind of surprised with this take. He doesn't have anywhere close to Cody's athleticism, and Cody himself is not much of a threat in the paint except in the PNR and in putbacks, both of which rely heavily on his athleticism.

If Frank can't consistently hit the three ball, that massively detracts from his value.

[Snidely FC]

He should be playing inside out, not outside in.

Kind of surprised with this take. He doesn't have anywhere close to Cody's athleticism, and Cody himself is not much of a threat in the paint except in the PNR and in putbacks, both of which rely heavily on his athleticism.

If Frank can't consistently hit the three ball, that massively detracts from his value.

My thinking was Frank showed in college and last year in limited Center minutes that he has post moves and the ability to pass to cutters. If he starts sets in the paint that taps into his high bball iq and versatility and allows him to pull interior defenders out to the 3 pt line. Conversely if he is always on the perimeter, that limits his versatility, he's easier to guard, his only options are to shoot the three or to do one of his spastic ballet drives to the paint.

[yosemiteben]

I pretty strongly disagree that Frank has the strength or length to have a paint oriented game.

[catch20two]

I need one of those infamous breakdowns about how Frank make the team better when he’s on the floor regardless of his shooting woes.

[fatlever]

I pretty strongly disagree that Frank has the strength or length to have a paint oriented game.

We seen him get moved off his spots by smaller players fairly regularly.

That being said, I do prefer Frank at 5, provided its when he's matched up vs center of equal speed. His best trait is pulling centers out of paint to open up lanes.

The book is out vs Frank. Matchup with smaller, quicker defender, exploit him on defense, close out on his shots, make him either try mid-range or his fadeaway jumpers (ugh).

[yosemiteben]

I think Frank can be super effective as a PF, he just needs solid facilitators on that floor with him and he has to be able to hit open threes consistently. He's a smart player and does a really good job moving the ball, but he's like the world's worst ISO player.

[Eoghan]

I'm starting to think that Frank isn't any good (maybe a new coach would help?). Is that cheesehead still here to conjure up some advanced stats magic to change my mind?

[HornetJail]

I think Frank can be super effective as a PF, he just needs solid facilitators on that floor with him and he has to be able to hit open threes consistently. He's a smart player and does a really good job moving the ball, but he's like the world's worst ISO player.

This is the key. He simply doesn't hit open threes consistently. He is shooting the exact same percentage as last year (a subpar 32.8%) on less attempts (6.5 per 36m last season down to 5.2 this year). Still an awful iso player, still an awful defender, still an awful rebounder. I'm in favor of benching him and locking him in a gym right now till the 3-ball improves to a point where he's a threat. He's shown next to no improvement since he was drafted. He's either hot or cold, he's cold way more often than he's hot, and there's no in between.

[fatlever]

He's been abysmal on the road this year. He's at least a decent player at home.

[Rich4114]

Frank is a bad fit on this team unless we are running him at center. Which we don’t. There are some pieces on this roster that don’t fit well together and Cho has to fix it. One of Marvin / Cody / Frank need to be moved for someone who fits better with the makeup of this team. Otherwise we will continue to get the exact same results we have been getting.

Cody probably has the highest value but we sort of need his pick and roll game. Frank can be seen as having upside and in the right system could flourish as a stretch 5 so he could return something of value for us potentially.

Frank really does lure us in with his stellar home game every week and a half, but the overall inefficiency on both ends is killing us.