Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

[NYG]

What is the latest first round pick that the Hornets would take for an expiring Kemba Walker on draft night?

[yosemiteben]

What is the latest first round pick that the Hornets would take for an expiring Kemba Walker on draft night?

We feel like we can keep Kemba so we don't care that he's expiring.

Wrong time to ask that question because none of us want him to go.

[BeesWax]

What is the latest first round pick that the Hornets would take for an expiring Kemba Walker on draft night?

I think it depends on who is there and what else is involved. I do think this gets revisited because we are in the worst spot of about any team in the league. We have a player who is good enough to keep us out of the position where we could realistically draft him help but not good enough to take us on a playoff run with said help.

[Lwcasu]

Fellow Hornets fans, would you trade Batum straight up for Wiggins? There's a post on the general forum with discussion we may do that in a year. It's just speculation with no source, but it got me thinking should we?

Basically we'd be further killing our flexibility but adding potential. I honestly think I would, but I'd probably try to squeeze an extra asset out of Minnesota.

[BeesWax]

Fellow Hornets fans, would you trade Batum straight up for Wiggins? There's a post on the general forum with discussion we may do that in a year. It's just speculation with no source, but it got me thinking should we?

Basically we'd be further killing our flexibility but adding potential. I honestly think I would, but I'd probably try to squeeze an extra asset out of Minnesota.

I would do it if we are sticking to and trying to extend Kemba. If we are going all in on Kemba here is a young guy who can grow and has a ton more potential than Nic. He seems out of sorts this year but last year he looked pretty solid and seemed to be developing well. Being our number two option with Kemba would help this team a ton because he can get points.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I'm not a Wiggens fan at all. Yes he scores points, but that's really it for him.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Nicolas+Batum&player_id1_select=Nicolas+Batum&y1=2018&player_id1=batumni01&idx=players&player_id2_select=Andrew+Wiggins&y2=2018&player_id2=wiggian01&idx=players

Look at those stats. About the only thing they are close on is 3s made per game and 3pt%. Outside of raw points that Wiggens mostly makes on bad 2s, Nic is better in every way. To me the advanced stats are the most telling. Nic has a better ORtg, DRtg, OBPM, & DBPM. He's literally better on both sides of the ball than Wiggens.

I get the theory of having a young scorer to pair with Kemba, but I think that we would all regret having Wiggens here on that contract. There is a reason they want to trade him.

[BeesWax]

I'm not a Wiggens fan at all. Yes he scores points, but that's really it for him.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Nicolas+Batum&player_id1_select=Nicolas+Batum&y1=2018&player_id1=batumni01&idx=players&player_id2_select=Andrew+Wiggins&y2=2018&player_id2=wiggian01&idx=players

Look at those stats. About the only thing they are close on is 3s made per game and 3pt%. Outside of raw points that Wiggens mostly makes on bad 2s, Nic is better in every way. To me the advanced stats are the most telling. Nic has a better ORtg, DRtg, OBPM, & DBPM. He's literally better on both sides of the ball than Wiggens.

I get the theory of having a young scorer to pair with Kemba, but I think that we would all regret having Wiggens here on that contract. There is a reason they want to trade him.

I don't disagree it is a gamble but only one of these guys has the potential to drastically improve. Also if you look at Wiggins numbers last season when he appeared to have a more defined role and fit into what the team was doing they are better. He takes away some creating for others but his scoring is better for himself. It is true we could regret this in a couple years but it could really pan out too. The problem is if we are extending Kemba this type of move is the only chance we have at becoming relevant. Nobody is trading a proven good player for Batum and his contract but if we can get a guy and have him develop beside Kemba that would be great. Having our vets to show him how to work and work with him could really pay off. He has been on such a young team to this point he could really take off with our leadership.

I dont disagree with anything you said but I am just not sure how we get better without taking a gamble similar to this.

[yosemiteben]

I'll take Lamb over Wiggins and just keep Batum, thank you very much.

[HornetJail]

Fellow Hornets fans, would you trade Batum straight up for Wiggins? There's a post on the general forum with discussion we may do that in a year. It's just speculation with no source, but it got me thinking should we?

Basically we'd be further killing our flexibility but adding potential. I honestly think I would, but I'd probably try to squeeze an extra asset out of Minnesota.

LOL take that and **** RUN. Wiggins is criminally disrespected. Wiggins as a #2 next to Kemba would be fantastic. We'd definitely need more spacing around him. I'd add a lot in order to make that happen.

[316Hornets]

If I'm banking on potential, I'd rather tank than trade for a guy that is slated to start a max contract next season. Wiggins is nothing more than a role player at this point in time and his contract is 2 years longer and worse than Batums. There will be some big name guys in the 2019 draft that I'd much rather go for such as Bol Bol or Zion Williamson.

[Liver_Pooty]

Wiggins has been utter complete garbage this season....

Id still maybe probably do that deal

[BlackOutBuzz]

Wiggins has been utter complete garbage this season....

Id still maybe probably do that deal

Basically... if we can't dump our big deals than we might as well roll the dice on a younger albatross.

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[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Things that would have to be in place for me to feel OK about a Wiggens for Nic swap
1. A coach that would bring out the best in Wiggens.
2. A separate trade that does something to replace Nic's passing
3. Some other sort of salary dump that will make it easier to keep Kemba in the long run
4. Howard to be gone or have his role minimized

[catch20two]

I'll take Lamb over Wiggins and just keep Batum, thank you very much.

Lamb is better than both. Something we can agree on.

[yosemiteben]

I'll take Lamb over Wiggins and just keep Batum, thank you very much.

Lamb is better than both. Something we can agree on.

Wasn't exactly what I said.

I'll take Lamb + Batum for $30M rather than Wiggins for $26M.

[catch20two]

I'll take Lamb over Wiggins and just keep Batum, thank you very much.

Lamb is better than both. Something we can agree on.

Wasn't exactly what I said.

I'll take Lamb + Batum for $30M rather than Wiggins for $26M.

I know. Just wanted you to look up a 3-player comparison for this season and see how much better than them Lamb is.

[yosemiteben]

Sorry to disappoint.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Guys I might want to acquire via trade over the summer:
* Kent Bazemore – offers defense, can shoot 3s, can pass, would rather have him than MKG to win now
* Brandon Knight – potential long term solution to backup PG
* Jeremy Lin – short term solution to backup PG, but only if he looks good recovery wise this summer
* Danilo Gallinari – great shooting, but can’t be counted on to play a full season
* Patrick Beverley – short term backup PG, great defender possible good partner for Monk

Sample trades

MKG & Stone to Atlanta for Bazemore
Howard & Frank to the Clips for Gallinari & Beverly

Starters – Walker, Bazemore, Batum, Zeller, & either Williams or Gallinari
Bench – Beverly, Monk, Lamb, Hernagomez, & the other of Gallinari/Williams

Small lineup – Walker, Bazemore, Lamb, Batum, & one of Williams/Gallinari/Zeller

[Benjamin Linus]

I would do that Batum for Wiggins deal in a heartbeat. That could be like our version of the Oladipo trade, where we take a chance on an athletic, young wing with high upside but attached to a big contract and coming off a down year. I was one of the few people that loved the Oladipo trade for Indiana (although I'm biased since I've been a huge Oladipo fan since the draft and have wanted us to trade for him).

I don't think Wiggins is a good fit next to Butler. He averaged 23.6 points a game last season on 45 FG% and 36 3P% and is only 22, about to turn 23. I think he's totally capable of taking his game to another level by the time he's 26/27. The contract is a little crazy, but I'm willing to take that bet if all we're giving up is Batum (who will be making 27 million in three years). Dwight and Cliff would have to go ASAP. Turn the pace up to 11 and have Kemba, Lamb, Wiggins, MKG, Cody fly up and down the court

[BeesWax]

I would do that Batum for Wiggins deal in a heartbeat. That could be like our version of the Oladipo trade, where we take a chance on an athletic, young wing with high upside but attached to a big contract and coming off a down year. I was one of the few people that loved the Oladipo trade for Indiana (although I'm biased since I've been a huge Oladipo fan since the draft and have wanted us to trade for him).

I don't think Wiggins is a good fit next to Butler. He averaged 23.6 points a game last season on 45 FG% and 36 3P% and is only 22, about to turn 23. I think he's totally capable of taking his game to another level by the time he's 26/27. The contract is a little crazy, but I'm willing to take that bet if all we're giving up is Batum (who will be making 27 million in three years). Dwight and Cliff would have to go ASAP. Turn the pace up to 11 and have Kemba, Lamb, Wiggins, MKG, Cody fly up and down the court

This is what I am thinking exactly. I like the move as a piece of what would be a complete overhaul. If we are keeping Cliff and the system we are running now then it make no sense. If we can shift some pieces for better fits then it make sense.

This can't be done without a number of other things being done to complement it but if we make those adjustments I think this would be an easy trade for us to win.