#Spacing - Steve Clifford Thread

[LofJ]

If Clifford continues to think the offense should be built around Al there damn well better be a disconnect, that's a fireable offense.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I’m definitely one of the guys who would rather see the team have another coach … however Cliff isn’t entirely wrong when he talks about Al scoring inside. Pretty much all of the teams that made it deep into the playoffs had a mixture of outside shooting and an interior post game. That’s what Cliff keeps saying he wants to do too.

The issue of course is his implementation of that idea with this roster. What that good idea actually becomes is Al getting force fed instead of working to get him points within the flow of the game. Over-reliance on streaky one way guys like Neal. Pushing guys into roles they really don’t have great strengths at like making Marv shoot from the wrong side of the court for him. I’ll be the first to grant that the roster had flaws and limitations, but a more flexible coach could have taken that good general idea and gotten a lot further with it.

I keep saying it, but I strongly feel that if you put Cliff on a different team ... a mostly veteran one with more shooters ... that he could get more out of that offensively. It's just that as a coach he requires a certain team makeup to be successful, and this team isn't one that's going to work the way he wants it too.

[catch20two]

I think the allowance of zone defense and shading in the early 2000s has changed the game to where it's much too difficult to be a great offense by feeding the post. Anyone who still believe in that method of scoring as a constant is too old fashioned. However I kinda like Cliff but goddamn he can be annoying and he love to tell the media bullcrap just to feed his agenda.

[Diop]

i love a good offence coming from feeding the post but where the centre is a good passer.

pass it in, attract all the defence then pass it around to find the open man. if you don't attract the defence go to work.

spurs used to do this a lot in the younger duncan years

[Al Kidd-Walker]

idk if this has been posted anywhere already but woj did an interview saying clifford is an elite coach, his coaching got us into the playoffs last year with josh mcroberts as our 3rd best player(yea what a bum he was), he was the reason we were top 5 in defense(lets disregard mkg who ironically the teams defense would disappear with when he would be out), and he maximized the talent on this roster(word to vonleh and troy daniels)


around the 10 minute mark if anybody cares

Spoiler:

http://wfnz.com/2015/05/26/nba-insider-adrian-wojnarowski-says-hornets-have-elite-coach-steph-curry-greatest-shooter-ever/

[Liver_Pooty]

idk if this has been posted anywhere already but woj did an interview saying clifford is an elite coach, his coaching got us into the playoffs last year with josh mcroberts as our 3rd best player(yea what a bum he was), he was the reason we were top 5 in defense(lets disregard mkg who ironically the teams defense would disappear with when he would be out), and he maximized the talent on this roster(word to vonleh and troy daniels)


around the 10 minute mark if anybody cares
http://wfnz.com/2015/05/26/nba-insider- ... oter-ever/

Yeah I think I saw something along those lines like that a couple days ago on here.

I don't think he is an elite coach, yet. But I do firmly believe he gets way, way too much hate on here. Has he had a few miscues? Perhaps, but hes an above average coach in my opinion.

[DY_nasty]

i think sam vincent was a better coach

why? because he didn't force players to operate entirely out of their natural skillsets (cody), play favorites or bench guys without solid reasoning (everyone), and he could at least get guys to inbound the ball (roflwesuck)

[Liver_Pooty]

i think sam vincent was a better coach

why? because he didn't force players to operate entirely out of their natural skillsets (cody), play favorites or bench guys without solid reasoning (everyone), and he could at least get guys to inbound the ball (roflwesuck)

Come on now DY. I know you don't like Clifford, but at least he wouldn't nearly get the team a 500k fine for refusing to board a plane.

[Braggins]

He just has far too many weaknesses and seems to have no interest in correcting most of them as they are core beliefs. I feel like too much would have to go right for him to become a truly good coach and we are basically wasting our time hoping that he decides to change. There are guys out there who would be better, but there isn't any guarantee any of them would want to coach us. I'm all on the MIke Malone bandwagon. Does anyone think there is any possibility of getting him as an assistant for next season to put some pressure on Clifford and take over if he doesn't get it together?

[Braggins]

i think sam vincent was a better coach

why? because he didn't force players to operate entirely out of their natural skillsets (cody), play favorites or bench guys without solid reasoning (everyone), and he could at least get guys to inbound the ball (roflwesuck)

at least he wouldn't nearly get the team a 500k fine for refusing to board a plane.

Hire Vincent and sign Royce White. Seems like they would understand each other lol.

[Liver_Pooty]

i think sam vincent was a better coach

why? because he didn't force players to operate entirely out of their natural skillsets (cody), play favorites or bench guys without solid reasoning (everyone), and he could at least get guys to inbound the ball (roflwesuck)

at least he wouldn't nearly get the team a 500k fine for refusing to board a plane.

Hire Vincent and sign Royce White. Seems like they would understand each other lol.

Lol. Made me literally laugh out loud which is rare.

[DY_nasty]

He just has far too many weaknesses and seems to have no interest in correcting most of them as they are core beliefs. I feel like too much would have to go right for him to become a truly good coach and we are basically wasting our time hoping that he decides to change. There are guys out there who would be better, but there isn't any guarantee any of them would want to coach us. I'm all on the MIke Malone bandwagon. Does anyone think there is any possibility of getting him as an assistant for next season to put some pressure on Clifford and take over if he doesn't get it together?

I'll take anyone over Clifford.

Literally anyone. I would've even accepted Scott Skiles. I'd even get over my grievances with Larry Brown.

[Liver_Pooty]

He just has far too many weaknesses and seems to have no interest in correcting most of them as they are core beliefs. I feel like too much would have to go right for him to become a truly good coach and we are basically wasting our time hoping that he decides to change. There are guys out there who would be better, but there isn't any guarantee any of them would want to coach us. I'm all on the MIke Malone bandwagon. Does anyone think there is any possibility of getting him as an assistant for next season to put some pressure on Clifford and take over if he doesn't get it together?

I'll take anyone over Clifford.

Literally anyone. I would've even accepted Scott Skiles. I'd even get over my grievances with Larry Brown.

Lol you hate him that much don't you? Larry Brown would have broken Kemba in half his rookie year.

[Braggins]

He just has far too many weaknesses and seems to have no interest in correcting most of them as they are core beliefs. I feel like too much would have to go right for him to become a truly good coach and we are basically wasting our time hoping that he decides to change. There are guys out there who would be better, but there isn't any guarantee any of them would want to coach us. I'm all on the MIke Malone bandwagon. Does anyone think there is any possibility of getting him as an assistant for next season to put some pressure on Clifford and take over if he doesn't get it together?

I'll take anyone over Clifford.

Literally anyone. I would've even accepted Scott Skiles. I'd even get over my grievances with Larry Brown.

Not gonna lie. This is how I feel too. I don't know about the Larry Brown part but there are only a handful of coaches I'd want less than Clifford. Mike Brown, Scott Brooks, Randy Whittman, Dwayne Casey, Brian Shaw, and probably a few others I'm forgetting. They all might actually be a bit better than Cliff but I wouldn't want to fire him for someone who still sucks and then be stuck with another bad coach for another few years.

[DY_nasty]

He just has far too many weaknesses and seems to have no interest in correcting most of them as they are core beliefs. I feel like too much would have to go right for him to become a truly good coach and we are basically wasting our time hoping that he decides to change. There are guys out there who would be better, but there isn't any guarantee any of them would want to coach us. I'm all on the MIke Malone bandwagon. Does anyone think there is any possibility of getting him as an assistant for next season to put some pressure on Clifford and take over if he doesn't get it together?

I'll take anyone over Clifford.

Literally anyone. I would've even accepted Scott Skiles. I'd even get over my grievances with Larry Brown.

Lol you hate him that much don't you? Larry Brown would have broken Kemba in half his rookie year.

The thing is, out of all our PGs, Kemba is the only one who actually needed Larry Brown.

But seriously, Clifford is just as bad as David Kahn if not worse. Most bad coaches simply fail at making the most out of their talent. Guys like Clifford ruin careers if given the opportunity.

[LofJ]

He just has far too many weaknesses and seems to have no interest in correcting most of them as they are core beliefs. I feel like too much would have to go right for him to become a truly good coach and we are basically wasting our time hoping that he decides to change. There are guys out there who would be better, but there isn't any guarantee any of them would want to coach us. I'm all on the MIke Malone bandwagon. Does anyone think there is any possibility of getting him as an assistant for next season to put some pressure on Clifford and take over if he doesn't get it together?

This is the kind of move I'd like to see. It would be good for Clifford and the team if he learns from someone like Malone, and if he doesn't and sticks to his proven weaknesses we have a successor waiting in the wings.

[-Ian-]

If the Bulls management wanted to have Doug Collins as an assistant of Thibs, surely we can do the same and hire an offensive assistant for Clifford.

[catch20two]

If the Bulls management wanted to have Doug Collins as an assistant of Thibs, surely we can do the same and hire an offensive assistant for Clifford.

That might be the disconnect between Cho and Clifford. Just like Thibs wasn't having it I don't think Cliff is having it.

[yosemiteben]

No NBA coach wants a baby sitter that the FO picked sitting on the bench. Cliff would have to be on board if you want it to be a productive appointment.

[BeesWax]

He can't coach offense and if you are the front office you need to tell him that. It has shown the whole time he has been here and needs to be fixed. Cho should go to him and say bring someone in to fix this or fix it internally but if we see this mess again this season you are gone.