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OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II

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Post#1961 » by BlackOutBuzz » Sun Mar 1, 2015 6:44 pm

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BlackOutBuzz wrote:Better to sign him to a max deal this off-season then a near-max next year, with the owner's "smoothing" proposal shot down the cap is likely gonna shoot up all at once.

Can you expound on this? With a max he'll benefit from any increase in the cap, right? Don't understand why we'd be better off unless you're just referring to getting that first year at a discount, which wouldn't be a discount compared to what he would already be paid under his current contract.


Well first, his current contract is set in stone now that his options have been exercised, so any extension would have no effect on what he makes next season and would instead start in 2016.

Secondly, you're right in that technically a max contract has to do with a proportion of the cap the year it begins and not a particular dollar amount (25% of the cap for players coming off rookie deals). And since the official cap is announced right before Free Agency, a player signed to a "max" extension won't even know exactly how much it'll be worth until the next season.

Admittedly I got my years mixed up, and MKG's max would hit the same year as the cap increases (instead of a year prior as I was thinking before). So a better example would be Kyrie Irving. He got a max deal that will kick in next season at 25% of the cap, however, it's not 25% every year. Instead he'll get 7.5% raises each season regardless of how much the cap increases. Last year was the one to really take advantage of this, as evidenced by a lot of extensions: Irving, Kemba, Thompson, Burks, etc.

That said, the team could always employ a tactic used by GS this past offseason with Klay Thompson. It's true they gave him max dollars, but they did not word it as such in the contract. Klay got what they predicted the max contract would be, but not technically a max. So the dollars are set regardless of the cap. So unlike true "max" deals, Thompson's is already set.
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#1962 » by yosemiteben » Sun Mar 1, 2015 6:47 pm

Gotcha. Good point about the extension only kicking in after the current deal expires, didn't account for that.

I would be 100% in giving him a five year deal that is fixed instead of a max deal, and could live with a near-max level initial salary.
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#1963 » by EwingSweatsALot » Sun Mar 1, 2015 11:26 pm

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EwingSweatsALot wrote:I can't wait for him to have one bad game and this love fest goes completely away like always.

Had my avy since like January of 2014.


Oh I'm not directing anything at you.

This board just tends to jump down his throat when he plays bad and how awful his shot is now, and how he won't ever become more on offense and blah blah blah. And when he has a good game he deserves a max contract.

This board in general not everyone, is just extremely hot or cold on him and it wavers with the littlest of sample sizes.
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#1964 » by yosemiteben » Mon Mar 2, 2015 12:07 am

Oh totally agree. Made me laugh how much we went from Clifford is ok after Chicago to fire him after Boston.
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Post#1965 » by catch20two » Mon Mar 2, 2015 12:17 am

EwingSweatsALot wrote:This board in general not everyone, is just extremely hot or cold on him and it wavers with the littlest of sample sizes.

This board is hot or cold with everyone except Zeller. Last year everyone but some was slurping Al and considered him the only reason we won. Now a lot of them want him gone.
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#1966 » by KembaWalker » Mon Mar 2, 2015 1:33 am

catch20two wrote:
EwingSweatsALot wrote:This board in general not everyone, is just extremely hot or cold on him and it wavers with the littlest of sample sizes.

This board is hot or cold with everyone except Zeller. Last year everyone but some was slurping Al and considered him the only reason we won. Now a lot of them want him gone.


are you implying thats irrational or something? last year Al was great, this year he sucks
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Post#1967 » by catch20two » Mon Mar 2, 2015 1:40 am

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catch20two wrote:
EwingSweatsALot wrote:This board in general not everyone, is just extremely hot or cold on him and it wavers with the littlest of sample sizes.

This board is hot or cold with everyone except Zeller. Last year everyone but some was slurping Al and considered him the only reason we won. Now a lot of them want him gone.


are you implying thats irrational or something? last year Al was great, this year he sucks

I'm saying that they change stance quickly when it's convenient. I always felt like it was a bit give and take between Al and Biz and I absolutely hated Alfense. I wouldn't mind Al opting out, I hope he do. But if he stick around for one more year I think we could find ways to win around him.
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#1968 » by LamarMatic7 » Mon Mar 2, 2015 1:41 am

catch20two wrote:
EwingSweatsALot wrote:This board in general not everyone, is just extremely hot or cold on him and it wavers with the littlest of sample sizes.

This board is hot or cold with everyone except Zeller. Last year everyone but some was slurping Al and considered him the only reason we won. Now a lot of them want him gone.

which side are we on with Zeller? I honestly don't know.
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#1969 » by catch20two » Mon Mar 2, 2015 1:43 am

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catch20two wrote:
EwingSweatsALot wrote:This board in general not everyone, is just extremely hot or cold on him and it wavers with the littlest of sample sizes.

This board is hot or cold with everyone except Zeller. Last year everyone but some was slurping Al and considered him the only reason we won. Now a lot of them want him gone.

which side are we on with Zeller? I honestly don't know.

Hot whenever he score at least 10 points and lukewarm whenever he score 0-4 points. Lol
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#1970 » by EwingSweatsALot » Mon Mar 2, 2015 2:20 am

catch20two wrote:
EwingSweatsALot wrote:This board in general not everyone, is just extremely hot or cold on him and it wavers with the littlest of sample sizes.

This board is hot or cold with everyone except Zeller. Last year everyone but some was slurping Al and considered him the only reason we won. Now a lot of them want him gone.


Ehhhhh going from one season to the other isn't that big of the deal. Especially with the disparity in Al's game to the first half of the year.

It is game by game with MKG. And it is not everyone, but a large group absolutely freak if he is awful one game or wanting to name their first born son after him if he plays well.

MKG has been a work in progress from the get go on offense, but we sure as hell don't treat it that way.
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Post#1971 » by KembaWalker » Mon Mar 2, 2015 2:43 am

Without looking at his gamelog this year I'm honestly struggling to think of a single game this year where MKG played anything near what I would term "awful"
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Post#1972 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon Mar 2, 2015 2:51 am

KembaWalker wrote:Without looking at his gamelog this year I'm honestly struggling to think of a single game this year where MKG played anything near what I would term "awful"


He had one game against the Lakers in early November that I remember clear as day. We got jack hammered. Also the game against the Cavs in december. Either way I think hes the future of this franchise.
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#1973 » by yosemiteben » Mon Mar 2, 2015 2:57 am

That game where Melo hung like 50 on us wasn't my favorite memory, but it wasn't all on him.
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Post#1974 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon Mar 2, 2015 2:59 am

yosemiteben wrote:That game where Melo hung like 50 on us wasn't my favorite memory, but it wasn't all on him.


I think Melo could have hung 50 on Scottie Pippen that night.
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Post#1975 » by BlackOutBuzz » Mon Mar 2, 2015 3:03 am

Wasn't the Melo game last season?
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Post#1976 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon Mar 2, 2015 3:05 am

BlackOutBuzz wrote:Wasn't the Melo game last season?


Yeah, still sticks out like a sore thumb though. Lebron also went wild on him. Almost as if they both read the scouting report on him being a lock down defender and went to prove it wrong.
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Post#1977 » by catch20two » Mon Mar 2, 2015 3:32 am

MKG locked down Tobias.
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