Geometry: The Frank Kaminsky Thread

catch20two · Post #1961 » by **catch20two** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:06 am

Something tells me that if we trade Frank he’ll become more consistent elsewhere lol. But that speculation is a mere factor in Frank being 2nd on my list of players I want to see traded with Batum being 1st. I wonder what we could get with them two packaged together. Probably nothing more but more average players alike. We’re stuck with them.

euphorbus · Post #1962 » by **euphorbus** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:01 pm

It is interesting that only six players on the team have a positive +/- stat: Walker, Kidd-Gilchrist, Howard, Williams, Lamb, Batum. Even Zeller comes in a -0.8. Kaminsky has -3.5.

http://stats.nba.com/team/1610612766/players-traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=1

The same six players are also the only ones with a positive net rating: Kidd-Gilchrist, Walker, Williams, Howard, Lamb, Batum. Zeller has -3.0, Kaminsky -7.8. Basketball.com, which uses a different scoring, comes up with Williams, Walker, Zeller, O'Bryant, Lamb, Kidd-Gilchrist.

http://stats.nba.com/team/1610612766/players-advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1

If you are going to trade someone, it should be Kaminsky, since he is the rotation player with the worst overall stats, except for the rookies and Carter-Williams.

HoopsMalone · Post #1963 » by **HoopsMalone** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:25 am

The reason those guys have positive is because they play with kemba... the other guys have negatives because they played with monk... if you switched kemba and monk you'd have the exact opposite list of guys...

That's why +/- is useless. Multicollinearity. You have to adjust the raw data to give it any validity.

Post #1964 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:26 pm

+/- is not useless, it's just not helpful for diagnosing individual performance. It's very helpful for diagnosing lineup performance.

Robot Rock · Post #1965 » by **Robot Rock** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:22 pm

HoopsMalone wrote:The reason those guys have positive is because they play with kemba... the other guys have negatives because they played with monk... if you switched kemba and monk you'd have the exact opposite list of guys...

That's why +/- is useless. Multicollinearity. You have to adjust the raw data to give it any validity.

Monk has played less than 10 minutes in six of the last seven games, so how can he negatively impact Frank when he's on the bench?

Liver_Pooty · Post #1966 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:37 pm

HoopsMalone wrote:The reason those guys have positive is because they play with kemba... the other guys have negatives because they played with monk... if you switched kemba and monk you'd have the exact opposite list of guys...

That's why +/- is useless. Multicollinearity. You have to adjust the raw data to give it any validity.

Had to google Multicollinearity. Im using that the next time I play Scrabble.

catch20two · Post #1967 » by **catch20two** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:28 pm

MCW must be negatively impacting Frank too.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #1968 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:07 pm

Eh, it definitely looks like Frank is doing a fine job of negatively impacting not just himself, but everyone he plays with many games. I expected to see a lot more consistency from him this year and for him to push for a starting spot. Instead it looks like he didn't really work on his game at all.

Post #1969 » by **fatlever** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:33 pm

what the hell happened to MA?

HoopsMalone · Post #1970 » by **HoopsMalone** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:39 am

yosemiteben wrote:+/- is not useless, it's just not helpful for diagnosing individual performance. It's very helpful for diagnosing lineup performance.

Yes, that is true... i shouldnt have made such a blanket statement. I meant in terms of individual player performance.

Even still MOST lineups don't get enough minutes together for +/- to be particularly helpful.... other than your starting lineup and main bench lineup.... if you use 2man and 3man combos you can get some pretty good data though

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #1971 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 12:14 pm

Is it bad that I had a Felton flashback on this play?

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=21495249

catch20two · Post #1972 » by **catch20two** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 2:13 pm

fatlever wrote:what the hell happened to MA?

I miss him and the way he used to put sweet sunshine and yellow daisies over the pile of doodoo Frank played like.

Eoghan · Post #1973 » by **Eoghan** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 5:43 pm

catch20two wrote:
fatlever wrote:what the hell happened to MA?

I miss him and the way he used to put sweet sunshine and yellow daisies over the pile of doodoo Frank played like.

Like when he would juke the stats so much that it would list Frank with all-time greats like LeBron, Jordan, Magic, etc? Those were great.

Braggins · Post #1974 » by **Braggins** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 11:11 pm

fatlever wrote:what the hell happened to MA?

Our negativity may have driven him away.

catch20two · Post #1975 » by **catch20two** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 11:13 pm

Braggins wrote:
fatlever wrote:what the hell happened to MA?

Our negativity may have driven him away.

Or the hosting site that he used to make charts may have shut down.

Braggins · Post #1976 » by **Braggins** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 11:17 pm

MA is easily one of our best posters.

Post #1977 » by **fatlever** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 11:26 pm

looks like he hasn't logged on since 11/16.

btw, i'm still curious as to what happened to flip murray. he totally disappeared on us w/out a trace. never responded to e-mails or pms either.

catch20two · Post #1978 » by **catch20two** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 11:29 pm

fatlever wrote:looks like he hasn't logged on since 11/16.

btw, i'm still curious as to what happened to flip murray. he totally disappeared on us w/out a trace. never responded to e-mails or pms either.

I ain’t know MA gave up on Frank so soon. He missed the post asb barrage.

I thought I’ve seen Flip Murray posting at the beginning of the season.

Braggins · Post #1979 » by **Braggins** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 1:01 am

Flip Murray is literally my fav.

Post #1980 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 1:04 am

Braggins wrote:Flip Murray is literally my fav.

That dude is hilarious.

ESaL should post more too. He’s super funny and also has some great insight.

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