We "Don't" Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread

KembaWalker · Post #1981 » by **KembaWalker** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:35 am

the hornets subreddit is so unreadable. i dunno where they came up with this **** about Monk being such a great player and still having unlimited potential. they even think he's some high level defender. every time monk comes up in there the discussion is horrible

Post #1982 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 1:52 am

SWedd523 wrote:
Rich4114 wrote:
BigSlam wrote:Did we waste the draft pick?

Or did Monk waste his golden opportunity?

Monk’s attitude/commitment was only marginally better than May’s - and May had to have a “don’t get fat” clause written into his contract.

And still got fat anyway.

A little of both.

And of course we should have taken Mitchell in hindsight but during the draft having Monk fall to us when he was projected top 5 was fantastic at the time.

I *think* most of us were hoping for Mitchell when that pick came through, right? Or am I being revisionist

I read deanondraft saying he could be Steph-lite or Reggie Miller 2.0 and I was sold.

https://deanondraft.com/2017/01/23/how-good-is-this-years-draft/

Overall Monk’s inferior shot, instincts, rebounding, and ball handling likely preclude him from achieving Curry’s level of greatness. But his athleticism and ability to avoid mistakes give him a shot of coming close. Even if he falls short of Curry, he can still be as good as another hyperefficient shooter who was allergic to rebounds: Reggie Miller.

He could also fall short of Miller, but I would be surprised if he fell on his face altogether. His combination of elite shooting accuracy, volume, athleticism, and offensive feel for the game is too much to not become good offensively. I would be surprised if he is not at least as good as the 2016-17 version of Bradley Beal.

Monk’s flaws are real, and they cannot be ignored. His defense and rebounding will almost certainly be bad as a pro, and it detracts from his value. But offense is much higher leverage for guards, and he has such a high floor high ceiling offensively that I suspect his defensive warts will be well worth stomaching.

Post #1983 » by **Diop** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 2:32 am

Yeah I was team monk that draft year.
He was the offensive spark, while Mitchell was meant to be a good defensive guard

predators · Post #1984 » by **predators** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 2:52 am

KembaWalker wrote:the hornets subreddit is so unreadable. i dunno where they came up with this **** about Monk being such a great player and still having unlimited potential. they even think he's some high level defender. every time monk comes up in there the discussion is horrible

I always chuckle when I see people claim he’s a good defender or a super dynamic offensive player. He goes nuclear from 3 and will throw it down in transition but the rest is kind of meh.

I think his short leash kind of helps his fan perception. He basically only played when he’s red hot offensively. Never really got to see him go 0-7 and head hunted in the pick and roll .

Rays Pompadour · Post #1985 » by **Rays Pompadour** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 12:12 pm

A thread through Kupchak's draft history in Charlotte: character. Not surprised at all Monk is a free agent today.

I really like Malik Monk as a developmental talent. Oozing with so much natural ability. But he didn't come to work and he fell to the temptations that plague too many teenagers. I saw some signs of maturity and the beginnings of a dedication to improvement this past season. But his talent simply didn't transcend his faults.

It wouldn't surprise me if Monk gets himself straightened out and earns a productive, perhaps star-level career in the NBA. But I'm not surprised he's no longer a Charlotte Hornet.

chabber · Post #1986 » by **chabber** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 12:17 pm

Rays Pompadour wrote:A thread through Kupchak's draft history in Charlotte: character. Not surprised at all Monk is a free agent today.

I really like Malik Monk as a developmental talent. Oozing with so much natural ability. But he didn't come to work and he fell to the temptations that plague too many teenagers. I saw some signs of maturity and the beginnings of a dedication to improvement this past season. But his talent simply didn't transcend his faults.

It wouldn't surprise me if Monk gets himself straightened out and earns a productive, perhaps star-level career in the NBA. But I'm not surprised he's no longer a Charlotte Hornet.

Same feeling. I think he's on the path to turn it around and be a real consistent, professional player down the line; maybe even this year. However, he's just not proven himself long enough to allow our front office to choose him over the guys he fights for minutes that do the "easy stuff" right all the time.

JMAC3 · Post #1987 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Aug 2, 2021 2:22 pm

Unless Monk goes somewhere and breaks through as a starter scoring 18+ppg, then I won't be butt hurt.

If he is playing 20 mpg and averaging 10-12 ppg off the bench for a bad team I won't really care. Those guys are easy to find and I really think having minutes available for Bouknight is more valuable then trying to squeeze every drop of potential from Monk.

I just don't want to have to read a story update about how Kaminsky might win a title or how Batum is good all of a sudden. Frank sucked and is part of the reason Suns lost. Batum has always been an NBA talent who can score 10 ppg and play solid defense, lets not act like he all of sudden became Paul George. Same should go for Monk, everytime he scores 20 pts in a game we don't have to sit here and act like he is doing that **** nightly, because he wont be.

Post #1988 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 2:31 am

Looks like no one jumped quickly to sign Monk.

Maybe his market isn't that hot?

Liver_Pooty · Post #1989 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 2:37 am

BigSlam wrote:Looks like no one jumped quickly to sign Monk.

Maybe his market isn't that hot?

This is just my opinion, but I think he has a league wide reputation of being lazy, and careless. His talent doesn't make up for that, and teams aren't going to throw money at someone that they aren't sure if he's going to always give 100%. He needs to go to OKC or somewhere and get back on track and hopefully ample playing time.

euphorbus · Post #1990 » by **euphorbus** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 3:16 am

BigSlam wrote:Looks like no one jumped quickly to sign Monk.

Maybe his market isn't that hot?

He was not listed high up among available free agents. I also wonder if his foot injury has raised some questions? He really underperformed after coming back at the end of the season, and the team lost seven of ten games during that stretch in May.

euphorbus · Post #1991 » by **euphorbus** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 7:42 pm

We "don't" want the Monk, but the Lakers do!

https://lakersoutsiders.com/2021/08/03/lakers-sign-malik-monk/

"Monk, alongside Anthony Davis, is only the second player under contract with the Lakers under 30 years old (excluding two way contracts)."

KembaWalker · Post #1992 » by **KembaWalker** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 7:48 pm

LeBron got his new JR

Post #1993 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 8:12 pm

Can wait for James to enjoy Monk’s lack of professionalism and commitment.

chabber · Post #1994 » by **chabber** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 8:15 pm

True, that's not the landing spot to act up. If the league has ignored his situation now, which is unlikely based on what he got paid, they'll all know for sure, for better or worse, after next season. I'm sure that's what he wants. Wish him the best.

Rays Pompadour · Post #1995 » by **Rays Pompadour** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 8:20 pm

There goes Monk chasing rings...sheesh, when will it ever end?

euphorbus · Post #1996 » by **euphorbus** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 8:37 pm

Rays Pompadour wrote:There goes Monk chasing rings...

How about a spot where he might play consistent minutes and can make a contribution, as opposed to having his chain yanked around all the time? Coach Vogel is fair. If you read my post, he is one of only two young players on the Lakers right now.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1997 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 8:39 pm

euphorbus wrote:
Rays Pompadour wrote:There goes Monk chasing rings...

How about a spot where he might play consistent minutes and can make a contribution, as opposed to having his chain yanked around all the time? Coach Vogel is fair. If you read my post, he is one of only two young players on the Lakers right now.

Monk was given chances here.

JMAC3 · Post #1998 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 8:53 pm

Great landing spot for Monk, will be in the limelight and have a shot to showcase his 5 good games a season on a bigger stage. If he plays even half way well somebody will overpay him next summer.

euphorbus · Post #1999 » by **euphorbus** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 8:53 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Monk was given chances here.

I addressed that comprehensively at the beginning of last season, and I respectfully disagree. Now that he is gone, we know that Monk started one game his entire four years. That is not what I call opportunity for a high first-round draft pick. Not that I feel like belaboring the point any more.

On the Left Coast, here are some reactions from Lakers fans:

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2021/8/3/22608150/lakers-malik-monk-free-agency-rumors-contract-los-angeles

Liver_Pooty · Post #2000 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Aug 3, 2021 8:56 pm

euphorbus wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Monk was given chances here.

I addressed that comprehensively at the beginning of last season, and I respectfully disagree. Now that he is gone, we know that Monk started one game his entire four years. That is not what I call opportunity for a high first-round draft pick. Not that I feel like belaboring the point any more.

On the Left Coast, here are some reactions from Lakers fans:

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2021/8/3/22608150/lakers-malik-monk-free-agency-rumors-contract-los-angeles

Of course fans of a new player who can shoot and is athletic will be excited like he's a new car. Do you think two coaching regimes had some kind of hidden agenda against him?

Edit: not meaning to start a back and forth. Just genuinely curious.