The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread (workout on 18th)

[captaincrunk]

Why is Gerald Wallace his ceiling.... He already does everything Crash did...

2 blocks and 2 steals a game in one season is historically good. You are criminally underrating crash.

MKG is only 18 years old... Why cant he become a top 5 small forward in the league?

His ceiling could be Paul Pierce for all we know... in fact he is more athletic then Pierce....

Everyone is more athletic than pierce...

I dont get why guys like Andre Drummond, who suck right now, can have such high ceilings when they dont display the flashes of brillance or dont have the work ethic that MKG has to make them the best player they can be...

If we think Drummond and Robinson can develop a consistent fifteen footer why cant MKG develop a consistent 3...especially when he has showed a better jumpshot in games then both of them...

I didnt see his jump shot get blocked at all this year and watched close to 10 Kentucky games....

you didn't see a lot of things, and you don't get a lot of things (you said it, not me). So why are you surprised when people disagree with you?

[JMAC3]

@Crunk

I am just tired of everytime there is a SF that hustles, rebounds, and plays good defense. They get the automatic Gerald Wallace comparison and that is what they are and will ever be.

"O well Wallace was not good enough to get us past the first round and was a one time allstar talent. "
-every bobcat fan

Wallace was a good player for us I agree, but Kidd-Gilchrist already does a lot of what Crash did for this team. He is 18 and has way more room for improvement then Crash ever did..

So there is no way MKG ends up being better then Paul Pierce?

It would not surprise me at this point.

And if he doesnt you still have Gerald Wallace 2.0 at 18 years old...

[captaincrunk]

2.0 implies better to me. Crash had an elite skill. I don't think MKG will be elite in any areas that Crash wasn't elite in, if that makes sense. If you want to say "maybe he'll develop an amazing jump shot" well you could say that about literally anyone. So why MKG? Anyone "could" develop.

[JMAC3]

2.0 implies better to me. Crash had an elite skill. I don't think MKG will be elite in any areas that Crash wasn't elite in, if that makes sense. If you want to say "maybe he'll develop an amazing jump shot" well you could say that about literally anyone. So why MKG? Anyone "could" develop.

Because he has what it takes to be great.... He is the hardest working player in the draft.... People rave that he is that Kobe will...

I know he has a better chance at developing a shot over Drummond, Robinson, and Davis...

He is better in every part of the game besides shooting when compared to Beal...

I think he is a guy that has triple double potential..

[captaincrunk]

but every guy "has triple double potential" if we're gonna say that. I just don't see there being much reason to believe any of this. Sure, he acts like he works hard. That doesn't really win games.

[JMAC3]

but every guy "has triple double potential" if we're gonna say that. I just don't see there being much reason to believe any of this. Sure, he acts like he works hard. That doesn't really win games.

You literally have nothing to back up what you are saying... Basically you saying anything is possible by any player... that is not true... and obviously some players have a better chance of being a triple double guy every now again..

Hard work doesnt win games.... you clearly have never played basketball haha

[captaincrunk]

but every guy "has triple double potential" if we're gonna say that. I just don't see there being much reason to believe any of this. Sure, he acts like he works hard. That doesn't really win games.

You literally have nothing to back up what you are saying... Basically you saying anything is possible by any player... that is not true... and obviously some players have a better chance of being a triple double guy every now again..

Hard work doesnt win games.... you clearly have never played basketball haha

I'm saying that if your only argument is that it's "possible" for so and so to get good, then you don't have much to say about one player that you can't say about dozens more.

And you can work as hard as you want but LBJ will kill you even if he's playing lazy. Hard work is icing, not a cake.

[JMAC3]

All I am saying is Kidd-Gilchrist is going to be one of the better all around players in this league someday. He is already a great defender, great rebounder, solid playmaker, great in transition, gets to the foul line, gets the junk yard buckets, makes winning plays,has experience playing in the post and is going to outwork his man each night....

All I am saying if you give this man a consistent jump shot he could be something really special. He clearly is the type of guy who is going to work on his game each and every day.

His shot is not even that bad, sure his form is a bit funky, but it looks the same each time and he actually elevates pretty well on it. I agree it has that hitch which is something that can be straightened out if need be.

[BigSlam]

Hard work is icing, not a cake.

Very, very well said.

[StitchJones]

What would decide if MKG is the pick for me is his ball handling skill. Like I stated earlier, I would love to see him one on one against an elite NBA defender. What would make MKG special is if he can consistently get his own shot.

[fatlever]

lets be clear here regarding the MKG wallace comparisons.

if MKG was guaranteed to be the exact same player as gerard wallace in his prime, then he would definitely be worth the #2 pick and every GM would take that sure thing at #2. so i think its silly to say "you dont take gerald wallace at #2". in a draft where there is only one sure star, GMs would gladly take the sure thing.

so the problem with MGK isnt that his ceiling is only gerald wallace, is that his floor is corey brewer. if you cant prove he wont be corey brewer and will be gerald wallace, then you take him.

like i said in the other thread, we can't chase a franchise player in this draft. get an asset and move on.

[JMAC3]

I am saying although he does a lot of the same things Wallace does. MKG could end up being a better player then him and play a slightly different style.

I think we are so boxed in our views that is what he is that it is all we can see.

I think he has a better handle then Crash and will be a better natural fit at the SF then him.

I think if we draft him everybody on this board would fall in love with his game and that even including Stun..

[captaincrunk]

lets be clear here regarding the MKG wallace comparisons.

if MKG was guaranteed to be the exact same player as gerard wallace in his prime, then he would definitely be worth the #2 pick and every GM would take that sure thing at #2. so i think its silly to say "you dont take gerald wallace at #2". in a draft where there is only one sure star, GMs would gladly take the sure thing.

so the problem with MGK isnt that his ceiling is only gerald wallace, is that his floor is corey brewer. if you cant prove he wont be corey brewer and will be gerald wallace, then you take him.

like i said in the other thread, we can't chase a franchise player in this draft. get an asset and move on.

Gerald Wallace without the injuries, sure. 5 years of 2 blocks and 2 steals a game is too much to pass up on without something a little bit more promising than Drummond.

[freakon0mics]

The upside of MKG being Crash is somewhat ridiculous. For someone that already does in college for what Crash did in the league so far is pretty impressive, especially for a freshmen. How can you not like MKG's talent and potential? Picking him reminds me of when OKC picked Westbrook. Westbrook, when he came out, played 2nd or 3rd fiddle to Kevin Love and Darren Collison at UCLA. No one expected him to blow up like he's done so far at OKC. I wouldn't be surprised to see that type of scenario pan out for MKG.

[Eoghan]

The upside of MKG being Crash is somewhat ridiculous. For someone that already does in college for what Crash did in the league so far is pretty impressive, especially for a freshmen. How can you not like MKG's talent and potential? Picking him reminds me of when OKC picked Westbrook. Westbrook, when he came out, played 2nd or 3rd fiddle to Kevin Love and Darren Collison at UCLA. No one expected him to blow up like he's done so far at OKC. I wouldn't be surprised to see that type of scenario pan out for MKG.

He played on a stacked UK team though, that's going to go a long way in covering up his flaws.

The Gerald Wallace comparison is just awful IMO. Crash had way more athleticism and was just freaky long to boot. MKG has neither. I think he'll fall somewhere around a Corey Brewer/Tony Allen/Luol Deng type of player but I'd be shocked if he became anything more, since Brewer looked like a way better prospect coming out.

[JMAC3]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww_qdvVYsLM[/youtube]

Here is a video that really shows a lot of what he is able to do. You will notice that most of this footage comes from a just a few of his games which is impressive to be able to have such a long video based on just 3 games worth so.

He plays with an extreme level of confidence

[James Gatz]

I didnt see his jump shot get blocked at all this year and watched close to 10 Kentucky games....

If he ends up being say 6'5 or 6'6 he'll have a size disadvantage at the 3 in the pros. That is a given. In college he didn't have this problem with size. In that latest workout video he seemed to release the ball right before he begins coming down as opposed to in motion with the jump. He may still avoid blocks but his shooting still needs to be overhauled.

Don't get me wrong I like him, just not with the second pick. I feel we need to draft someone who can give us more scoring. Someone who can create their own shot. Something that MKG has problems with.

I would say that in this picture he is maybe an inch shorter then Terrence Jones who is listed at 6'9'' and he towers over Doron Lamb who is listed at 6'4''...

I think he will measure somewhere between 6'6'' and 6'8'' with close to 7 foot wingspan... I think that is good enough size to play the SF especially when you consider how physical he is and his rebounding ability.

Can we please stop posting pictures like combine stats?

[James Gatz]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8001649

Chad Ford video. He seems like he doesn't really want to talk in the interview. I still don't like his jump shot, but maybe he can make it work like Marion?

[HornetJail]

I'm torn between MKG and Drummond. I love Drummond's ceiling, but at the same time, I would feel horrible about passing up Gerald Wallace 2.0. MKG would be the safer pick, but Drummond is the more high-risk high-reward pick. I'm leaning toward Drummond, but it's real close.

[KembaWalker]

I don't like the Wallace comparison. MKG isn't anywhere near as athletic as Crash. And Crash's athleticism was a big reason he was a great player. Perhaps more so than his heart and effort. Dude was a freak