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Post#21 » by bobcats3wallace » Thu Jul 5, 2012 2:55 am

countryboi wrote:Dragic stats are very lackluster...the only real thing he has going is that he is 6'4 and at 9 mil per? Man that hurts....ugh


Have you seen him play? You can't just look at statistics with this guy. He is earning his money because of how he runs the team and his ability to be a floor general. He started 28 games and had 8 double doubles. He was always a solid reserve off the bench. The reason teams value him is based on those 28 games he started in Houston.

Here were his numbers as a starter in those 28 games:

18 points, 8.4 assists, 3.5 rebounds, 49% FG, 38% 3FG, 1.8 SPG in 36.5 minutes. He has proven to be a stud when given the chance for minutes.

Very solid, and most Houston fans wanted him as the PG of the future over Lowry. Houston would not be happy with Dragic got away.
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Post#22 » by Badd_Intentions » Thu Jul 5, 2012 2:56 am

Would take some pressure of mkg, would also get everyone else some easy buckets. I'm just weary of breaking the bank.
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Post#23 » by vorbis » Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:01 am

i would probably get over the sting of overpaying dragic relatively quickly.

sign dragic, drop DJ and this team will truly be headed in a clear direction. i love that it's a legitimate possibility.
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Post#24 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:07 am

Dragic's numbers as a starter were very impressive. Abstractly I would love for him to be a Cat ... but the $9 mil number bugs me. Just seems a bit high given the overall body of work.

In additon to what was posted above number wise, Houston's defense was better with him as a starter as well so it's not like he's a huge liablity there either. That's the good news. He could easily be a starter on a lot of teams if he kept that kind of play up.

The bad news would be the contract IMHO. That $9 mil number would eat up a lot of the free space the team was talking about having this year. It would reduce the flexiblity they could have in getting more draft picks for next year.
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Post#25 » by ohara » Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:09 am

Dragic would be the best PG this franchise has ever had. I like Kemba, but if we had Dragic, Kemba can be a change of pace PG who comes off the bench and plays 20 minutes.
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Post#26 » by vorbis » Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:11 am

i've only seen ten or so of dragic's games, but i just think he's going to age well. at 4 seasons he'll be barely 30 years old as that contract expires. a competent point guard with good size, that can run an offense comfortably and knock down jumpers is going to be a movable asset if it comes to that. it wouldn't be anywhere near an okafor type outsized commitment IMO.
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Post#27 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:12 am

So if the team has Dragic, Kemba, Gordon, & Hendo ... who starts & who is the change of pace guy?
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Post#28 » by countryboi » Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:18 am

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countryboi wrote:Dragic stats are very lackluster...the only real thing he has going is that he is 6'4 and at 9 mil per? Man that hurts....ugh


Have you seen him play? You can't just look at statistics with this guy. He is earning his money because of how he runs the team and his ability to be a floor general. He started 28 games and had 8 double doubles. He was always a solid reserve off the bench. The reason teams value him is based on those 28 games he started in Houston.

Here were his numbers as a starter in those 28 games:

18 points, 8.4 assists, 3.5 rebounds, 49% FG, 38% 3FG, 1.8 SPG in 36.5 minutes. He has proven to be a stud when given the chance for minutes.

Very solid, and most Houston fans wanted him as the PG of the future over Lowry. Houston would not be happy with Dragic got away.


Dragic is another guy that gets overrated by people.....we paying 9 mil per for 20 games of production now?
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Post#29 » by Stun704 » Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:24 am

Goran Dragic, AKA the next Jose Caleron, Stay far far away. Kemba is our guy
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Post#30 » by Stun704 » Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:25 am

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countryboi wrote:Dragic stats are very lackluster...the only real thing he has going is that he is 6'4 and at 9 mil per? Man that hurts....ugh


Have you seen him play? You can't just look at statistics with this guy. He is earning his money because of how he runs the team and his ability to be a floor general. He started 28 games and had 8 double doubles. He was always a solid reserve off the bench. The reason teams value him is based on those 28 games he started in Houston.

Here were his numbers as a starter in those 28 games:

18 points, 8.4 assists, 3.5 rebounds, 49% FG, 38% 3FG, 1.8 SPG in 36.5 minutes. He has proven to be a stud when given the chance for minutes.

Very solid, and most Houston fans wanted him as the PG of the future over Lowry. Houston would not be happy with Dragic got away.

You forget that Dragic was absolute trash in his last year in Phoenix, that's why they traded him. Dragic played well in a contract year, that simple.
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Post#31 » by Ozymandias » Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:27 am

Wow. Well Dragic is very underrated and would be worth whatever contract the Bobcats are looking to offer him. Cho must be obsessed with adding a bigger guard to this team. I was thinking more frontcourt depth to be our biggest need heading into free agency, but apparently the front office does not think so. If the Bobcats sign Dragic, I would not expect any really significant moves to be made afterwards.

VanderbiltGrad wrote:So if the team has Dragic, Kemba, Gordon, & Hendo ... who starts & who is the change of pace guy?

I'm thinking Dragic and Henderson would start at the guard positions. We could see the Bobcats roll out a smaller lineup at times with Henderson moving to SF and Gilchrist at PF.
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Post#32 » by Battery » Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:28 am

Stun704 wrote:Goran Dragic, AKA the next Jose Caleron, Stay far far away. Kemba is our guy



Oh lord, not this again. :-?
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Post#33 » by ohara » Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:29 am

Stun704 wrote:Goran Dragic, AKA the next Jose Caleron, Stay far far away. Kemba is our guy


LOL!! And to think, I thought you knew your basketball.

If signed, Dragic starts - no doubt. Kemba becomes our super 6th man. Gets a good solid 20 min per game as a great change of pace PG and occasionally will play alongside Dragic. And if DJ has not signed the QO, I would expect it gets recinded unless the FO thinks he would sign it and then we push for a trade.
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Post#34 » by TheKingofSting » Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:31 am

bobcats3wallace wrote:From other thread:

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Charlotte Bobcats will offer free agent point guard Goran Dragic a contract, per source, likely in the $9 mil per year range.

I don't think he is worth 9 million. I do think Dragic is a true PG and would be a key part to a good team. Every good team needs a PG who can get the offense started, Dragic can do that. He's a very underrated passer. I think he would really do wonders for Biz and would get guys in the right places. I also think that this is a kind of deal DJ thinks he is worth, perhaps is even what the Bobcats offered him during the season. For the record, if your talking about the ability to run a team as the PG, Dragic > DJ.

My only concern, does this kind of signing of Dragic put us back on the mediocre treadmill? Dragic is already 26, keep in mind.


9 million to back up Kemba?? :confused:

FWIW that source is a site that kids run, it is nowhere near on the level of even realgm.
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Post#35 » by Stun704 » Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:42 am

ohara wrote:
Stun704 wrote:Goran Dragic, AKA the next Jose Caleron, Stay far far away. Kemba is our guy


LOL!! And to think, I thought you knew your basketball.

If signed, Dragic starts - no doubt. Kemba becomes our super 6th man. Gets a good solid 20 min per game as a great change of pace PG and occasionally will play alongside Dragic. And if DJ has not signed the QO, I would expect it gets recinded unless the FO thinks he would sign it and then we push for a trade.

Dragic is fools gold. you need a bigger sample size then 20 games and a playoff run in-order to justify throwing big money at a PG, thats how Caleron got overpaid.


It took Dragic 3 years in order to have a better PER then Kembas rookie season. statistically Dragics Per 36 mins stats have been around 14/6 thats DJ Augustin numbers, hes 25, he doesn't have much upside left, Don't overpay. I'd rather sign a undrafted rookie or some scrub like Lester Hudson then sign a mediocre PG to a 8+ mil deal

To keep things in perspective, didn't DJ have a great string of games after LB got fired? what happened after that? he fizzled out and remained mediocre, same thing will happen to Dragic after he gets paid.
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Post#36 » by TheKingofSting » Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:46 am

Stun704 wrote:Dragic is fools gold. you need a bigger sample size then 20 games and a playoff run in-order to justify throwing big money at a PG, thats how Caleron got overpaid.


It took Dragic 3 years in order to have a better PER then Kembas rookie season. statistically Dragics Per 36 mins stats have been around 14/6 thats DJ Augustin numbers, hes 25, he doesn't have much upside left, Don't overpay. I'd rather sign a undrafted rookie or some scrub like Lester Hudson then sign a mediocre PG to a 8+ mil deal

To keep things in perspective, didn't DJ have a great string of games after LB got fired? what happened after that? he fizzled out and remained mediocre, same thing will happen to Dragic after he gets paid.


Not even to mention you are stunting the growth of your PG of now and the future. If they do this I would not blame Kemba at all for wanting out of here at the end of his first contract.
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Post#37 » by Stun704 » Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:50 am

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Stun704 wrote:Dragic is fools gold. you need a bigger sample size then 20 games and a playoff run in-order to justify throwing big money at a PG, thats how Caleron got overpaid.


It took Dragic 3 years in order to have a better PER then Kembas rookie season. statistically Dragics Per 36 mins stats have been around 14/6 thats DJ Augustin numbers, hes 25, he doesn't have much upside left, Don't overpay. I'd rather sign a undrafted rookie or some scrub like Lester Hudson then sign a mediocre PG to a 8+ mil deal

To keep things in perspective, didn't DJ have a great string of games after LB got fired? what happened after that? he fizzled out and remained mediocre, same thing will happen to Dragic after he gets paid.


Not even to mention you are stunting the growth of your PG of now and the future. If they do this I would not blame Kemba at all for wanting out of here at the end of his first contract.

If we're gonna follow the OKC model, then we need to do so and improve on it. the part of the OKC model that is perfect is that they didn't sign anybody to long term contractsuntil their corner pieces(Durant & Westbrook) were RFA's. we need to do the same thing in order to maintain cap flexibility, we need to draft a big 3 before we sign FA's to long term deals.
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Post#38 » by Snidely FC » Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:54 am

I like Dragic but 9mln per is too much.

For that money I'd make a play for Jeremy Lin. Regardless of how you think he ranks as a PG (and I am very high on him) he brings major bucks back to your franchise. Offer a back loaded contract 5m, 5m, 15 ml, and you're still less than Dragic at @9 mln/3 yrs.
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Post#39 » by Leolovinliberal » Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:54 am

Dragic is awesome. This would be a great get, and relegate Kemba Chucker to where he's best suited; instant offense off of the bench. He's nothing like Calderon, nothing.
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Post#40 » by Diop » Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:54 am

Stun704 wrote:You forget that Dragic was absolute trash in his last year in Phoenix, that's why they traded him. Dragic played well in a contract year, that simple.


Then why are Phoenix so keen to get him back?
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