The Official "Build For The Future" Thread

[Leolovinliberal]

Dafuq did I just read?

Kemba and MKG for Favors?

Well, if you read that, it wasn't here. I proposed Kemba, MKG and Mano de Piedras for Favors, Hayward and their 2 first round picks.

[Leolovinliberal]

We can still draft Olyneck and Noel without trading the rest of our team away. Favors is a decent player, but you guys do realize he was the 3rd pick and still has yet to get major minutes. I do not care who he is playing behind.

MKG will be so much better then Hayward. Kemba is the face of the franchise and he is not going anywhere especially not with former 3rd and 7th picks.

What do you mean "you don't care who he is playing behind"? He's behind two All Stars, Al Jefferson and Paul Milsap. As far as MKG being, "so much better than Hayward" what do you base that on? Haywards super athletic, a great defender, a great shooter and like MKG, a great guy. What aspect of the game will MKG be "so much better" than Hayward at?

[Leolovinliberal]

We can still draft Olyneck and Noel without trading the rest of our team away. Favors is a decent player, but you guys do realize he was the 3rd pick and still has yet to get major minutes. I do not care who he is playing behind.

MKG will be so much better then Hayward. Kemba is the face of the franchise and he is not going anywhere especially not with former 3rd and 7th picks.

Who cares if Kemba's the "face of the franchise"? We've won 13 games, get a new face, you'll get over it.

[vorbis]

goooooooooo laundry!

[Fred Williamson]

I fail to see how this team is any better than the current one we have.

[catch20two]

I don't pay attention to advice from posters who think Byron Mullens is Sam Presti's one glaring mistake

[HornetJail]

Dafuq did I just read?

Kemba and MKG for Favors?

Well, if you read that, it wasn't here. I proposed Kemba, MKG and Mano de Piedras for Favors, Hayward and their 2 first round picks.

When you're talking about three great prospects, Hayward and a couple of mid-to-late 1sts in a weak draft are nowhere near enough to make me stop laughing about it. Didn't even realize "Mano de Piedras" was supposed to be Bismack. Now you're just trolling.

[Leolovinliberal]

I fail to see how this team is any better than the current one we have.

Okay, let's look at it objectively, taking ME outta the equation, fair?

Current vs my proposed team

Current
pg: kemba,Sessions
sg: Gerald, taylor
sf: MKG, Taylor
pf: Mully, Adrien
c: Biz, Haywood

My proposed:
pg: Sesions, Kabongo
sg: taylor, JJ Redick
sf: Gordan Hayward, Dario Saric (Toni Kukoc clone)
pf: Favors, Olynyk
c: Nerlens Noel, Mully

[Leolovinliberal]

Dafuq did I just read?

Kemba and MKG for Favors?

Well, if you read that, it wasn't here. I proposed Kemba, MKG and Mano de Piedras for Favors, Hayward and their 2 first round picks.

When you're talking about three great prospects, Hayward and a couple of mid-to-late 1sts in a weak draft are nowhere near enough to make me stop laughing about it. Didn't even realize "Mano de Piedras" was supposed to be Bismack. Now you're just trolling.

I don't see anyone talking about "three great prospects".

I am talking about an undersized combo guard who has a huge heart and would make a great 6th man, a sf that has ZERO offensive skills and a big that quite possibly has the worst hands in the NBA for a very good sf that is athletic, can shot and can play defense, a great young pf that has post moves and can rebound and play defense and early to mid first round picks.

[thruthefire]

Hayward is really good and can play at either wing spot. He has relatively short arms, which is why I guess he doesn't rebound better, but the rest of his game is there.

Biz might be in the D-League if he was on Utah's roster, so I fail to see why Favors playing non-starter minutes would be a knock against him here. Interesting deal, but I think it's more likely that Utah passes than us.

[dmutombo321]

I would go about building the team differently, and Utah probably doesnt bite on the trade.

However, in terms of simply comparing rosters, I wont argue that the one you have beats what we currently have now.

Hayward is a crafty scorer and dead eye shooter and Favors is better than any big we currently have on the roster.

MKG is going to improve to be sure but everyone yearning for him to be an allstar regular is going to be sorely disappointed.

[HornetJail]

Figured with all the "what we should do to fix the Cats" threads, we should just combine all into one thread, like we did with the trades thread.

How does everyone envision our future, or how should we continue the rebuild, etc.?



To me, it's clear we've got to stick to the rebuild. It'll likely take a couple years, but the whole point of picking at the top is to get ELITE talent. We appear to have one in Kemba Walker, and we may have one in MKG or Biyombo, though it's way too early to tell for either. The 2013 Draft doesn't seem to have any elite talent in it. It won't be until 2014, when Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, Julius Randle, Noah Vonleh, (all of whom are much better than anybody coming out this year) come out. I'm willing to put all our eggs in the 2014 basket and get multiple high picks in that draft, in hopes we land the grand prize (Wiggins) or have enough assets and picks to trade up for him.

My first suggestion is to trade our 2013 1st round pick to a team like Orlando or Phoenix for their 2014 1st, with enough incentive to make them want to trade it, even if that means someone like Bismack, someone I've been so high on, that's how good the 2014 Draft is. Biz would fit great next to someone like Vucevic, so Orlando would likely do it to get two top 5s in this draft to speed up their already fairly quick and successful rebuild.

I would re-sign Gerald Henderson to a nice 4-5 year deal worth ~20-30M, resign Mullens for whatever it takes to keep him, and pick Olynyk or Cauley-Stein with the Portland pick this year (if we get it, if not, then it's another for 2014).

Chicago is likely looking to cut costs and will look to move Boozer for an expiring deal and a player who can help them: Ben Gordon and Brendan Haywood. We take back our own pick, along with their own 2014 1st and swap the contracts, taking back Boozer. We shouldn't care about cap space yet: there is NOBODY worth a damn signing with this franchise the way it is right now.

This is the team at this point:
Mullens/Cauley-Stein (POR pick)
Boozer/Adrien/Thomas
MKG/Taylor
Henderson
Kemba/Sessions
fill out the reserves with young D-leagers or vet presences.
with our 1st (top 5), Orlando's 1st (top 7), Detroit's 1st (top 14), possibly Portland's pick (13-20), Chicago's 1st (25-30), our 2nd in 2014 (top 5).

There's likely two of Wiggins, Randle, Parker, Vonleh and enough other pieces (picks and Thomas's expiring deal) to trade for a good young big.

Mullens/Cauley-Stein/(another good big)
Randle/Boozer/Adrien
MKG/Taylor
Wiggins/Henderson
Kemba/Sessions
plus our 2015 pick, other later picks, and cap space.

Are we on the right track?

[Leolovinliberal]

I would go about building the team differently, and Utah probably doesnt bite on the trade.

However, in terms of simply comparing rosters, I wont argue that the one you have beats what we currently have now.

Hayward is a crafty scorer and dead eye shooter and Favors is better than any big we currently have on the roster.

MKG is going to improve to be sure but everyone yearning for him to be an allstar regular is going to be sorely disappointed.

Thank you for your honest and fair assessment. The reason that I have Utah biting on the deal is because their pg's are atrocious; Randy Foye and Jamal Tinsley, plus the have a wealth of bigs that affords them the ability to deal Favors. If the trade did occur, their starting five could be something like:

PG: Kemba
SG: Alec Burks
SF: MKG, Demarre Carol
PF: Biz
C: Kanter

[catch20two]

The reason that I have Utah biting on the deal is because their pg's are atrocious; Randy Foye and Jamal Tinsley

...but according to you Kemba is an atrocious PG as well so Utah wouldn't bite to supplant 2 atrocious PG's with another atrocious PG all the while trading away 2 young pieces of their already established core

[fatlever]

going forward, lets keep all of the "how i would fix the bobcats" threads in this thread. we dont need a new thread every time someone wants to tell us their blueprint for improving the team.

any new similar threads will be merged into this one.

thanks

[fatlever]

Figured with all the "what we should do to fix the Cats" threads, we should just combine all into one thread, like we did with the trades thread.

i appreciate the idea, but the implementation was poor. instead of posting in the two threads created in the past day you created a 3rd to be the new combined thread? haha. you got merged.

[BigSlam]

PG: Kemba
SG: Alec Burks
SF: MKG, Demarre Carol
PF: Biz
C: Kanter

So your starting 5 consists of five guys who are suspect shooters?

You think opposing teams might pack the paint much?

[Leolovinliberal]

The reason that I have Utah biting on the deal is because their pg's are atrocious; Randy Foye and Jamal Tinsley

...but according to you Kemba is an atrocious PG as well so Utah wouldn't bite to supplant 2 atrocious PG's with another atrocious PG all the while trading away 2 young pieces of their already established core

Atrocious is relative. In Utah Kemba is superior to Foye and Tinsley.

[Leolovinliberal]

PG: Kemba
SG: Alec Burks
SF: MKG, Demarre Carol
PF: Biz
C: Kanter

So your starting 5 consists of five guys who are suspect shooters?

You think opposing teams might pack the paint much?

Neither Kemba, nor Alec Burks are suspect shooters. Neither is Kanter.

[Leolovinliberal]

going forward, lets keep all of the "how i would fix the bobcats" threads in this thread. we dont need a new thread every time someone wants to tell us their blueprint for improving the team.

any new similar threads will be merged into this one.

thanks

Sorry, my bad.