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Re: Free Agents for 2014? Who would realistically sign with 

Post#21 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Feb 7, 2014 6:23 pm

gehenherzog wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:Lance Stephenson has 'soon to be bad contract' written all over him, but that's just my opinion. I don't care to debate or argue about skewed stats & potential



Just wondering, do you dislike Al Jefferson as well?


No. I was one of the biggest proponents for Charlotte signing Al Jefferson this offseason, and it's also worth noting that I was one of the few that preferred Jefferson over Paul Millsap

...and as far as "dislike...as well", I don't dislike Lance Stephenson. I think he's a nice young player, but he's not worth the $10 million in excess contract that it's looking like he's about to receive in free-agency. I think his worth should be between $7-8 million pending on his postseason performance
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Post#22 » by _tijo_ » Fri Feb 7, 2014 6:33 pm

Yeah, for some reason, I get Lance Stephenson and DeShawn Stevenson mixed up in my head, you know the old defensive stopper on Dallas a couple of years ago. That guy can't shoot, and I always wondered why people wanted him, and what happened that he became good in Indiana.

This Lance guy I can get behind, young (<25), can shoot, and played with Kemba. Sign me up.
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Re: Free Agents for 2014? Who would realistically sign with  

Post#23 » by fatlever » Fri Feb 7, 2014 7:37 pm

if this turns in to another evan turner thread i swear i am going to lose my mind and start banning people.
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Post#24 » by fatlever » Fri Feb 7, 2014 7:48 pm

realgm has a really good free agent list that is sortable. check it out

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/future_free_agents
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Re: Free Agents for 2014? Who would realistically sign with  

Post#25 » by fatlever » Fri Feb 7, 2014 7:50 pm

i wonder what kind of contract and playing time situation danny granger will be looking for this summer.
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Post#26 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Feb 7, 2014 8:06 pm

PG - Grievis Vasquez, Patty Mills, A.J. Price

SG - Evan Turner, Lance Stephenson, Jordan Hamilton, Anthony Morrow, Marshon Brooks, Kent Bazemore

SF - Rudy Gay, Wesley Johnson, Darius Miller

PF - Ed Davis, Michael Beasley (stretch 4), Andray Blatche, Darrell Arthur, Mike Scott, DeJuan Blair

C - Spencer Hawes, Jordan Hill
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Post#27 » by yosemiteben » Fri Feb 7, 2014 8:19 pm

fatlever wrote:i wonder what kind of contract and playing time situation danny granger will be looking for this summer.

I've thought the same thing. I feel like Charlotte can offer FA's a platform that is potentially pretty attractive - emerging team with disciplined but positive management, good team chemistry with quality pieces that know and accept their roles and a desperate need for a spotlight player to come in and score.

Target guys that used to have to have the spotlight but who have had it taken away from them by team circumstances (Danny Granger, Eric Gordon) or who feel like they want somewhere where they can be the #1 option, and maybe you can land somebody.
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Re: Free Agents for 2014? Who would realistically sign with 

Post#28 » by gehenherzog » Fri Feb 7, 2014 8:23 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:PG - Grievis Vasquez, Patty Mills, A.J. Price

SG - Evan Turner, Lance Stephenson, Jordan Hamilton, Anthony Morrow, Marshon Brooks, Kent Bazemore

SF - Rudy Gay, Wesley Johnson, Darius Miller

PF - Ed Davis, Michael Beasley (stretch 4), Andray Blatche, Darrell Arthur, Mike Scott, DeJuan Blair

C - Spencer Hawes, Jordan Hill


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Post#29 » by Hugo The Hornet » Fri Feb 7, 2014 8:33 pm

dmutombo321 wrote:Lance Stephenson needs to be this team’s top offseason target, hands down.

I’m not saying he’s going to make the monumental jump we saw from James Harden, but, like Harden during his time in OKC, his number’s are greatly suppressed due to deference to other players on offense in Indy (George, Hibbert).

If you were to plug him in on this Charlotte roster as starting 2 guard, he would be good for 20/5/5 on high percentage shooting (he’s avg 14/7/5 right now with 50%fg on only 11 shots per game).

The guy has figured it out. He defends tenaciously, handles the ball like a PG, has ridiculous court vision and can score. He’s an improved outside shooter (nearly 35%) and he appears to have conquered the maturity problems that plagued him early in his career. In terms of brute strength, he’s the strongest 2 guard in the league and he plays with a contagious swagger. Plus, he is only 23 years old. Stephenson and Walker, both being from NYC know each other and play together on occasion during the summer.

The Pacers desperately want to keep him and he wants to stay. But they’ve got almost 65 million in committed payroll on the books for next season. With Gordon expiring, I’d offer Stephenson up to 10mil per, maybe even 11 in attempt to lure him away, perhaps even having Jordan put in the recruiting call.

Hayward is going to cost at least that much and is barely mustering 40% fg % and, despite his reputation as a shooter, is shooting a worse FG% than Stephenson from the 3.

If we sign Lance Stephenson, put another shooter next to him at SF with our mid first like a Hood or Mcdermott to punish opponents when they double Jefferson next year, then we’ll be a legit play off team.

Walker / FA backup or PG with Portland pick
Stephenson / Hendo (or Taylor if we end up dumping hendo’s contract) / CDR
Hood or McDerrmott / MKG
McBob / Zeller
Jefferson / Biz

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Lance Stephenson is awesome player, he has great statistics and it will be great if he will sign in the Hornets franchise, but I guess he will accept his option at the Pacers, and I don't see why not. He in great relationship with the Pacers fans, with the staff and the other player there. I believe he will sign to more year at Indiana in the off-season. Of course it will be awesome if Stephenson will sign at Charlotte, but I think it's not realistic.
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Re: Free Agents for 2014? Who would realistically sign with 

Post#30 » by BlackOutBuzz » Fri Feb 7, 2014 8:33 pm

gehenherzog wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:PG - Grievis Vasquez, Patty Mills, A.J. Price

SG - Evan Turner, Lance Stephenson, Jordan Hamilton, Anthony Morrow, Marshon Brooks, Kent Bazemore

SF - Rudy Gay, Wesley Johnson, Darius Miller

PF - Ed Davis, Michael Beasley (stretch 4), Andray Blatche, Darrell Arthur, Mike Scott, DeJuan Blair

C - Spencer Hawes, Jordan Hill


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Some of those guys I understand (Beasley, Blatche, Gay...), but others? Why not Jordan Hamilton? Young guy, solid shooter with potential. Ed Davis would strengthen arguably our weakest position. And guys like Price and Bazemore make the minimum so they'd be rather inconsequential as well.
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Re: Free Agents for 2014? Who would realistically sign with 

Post#31 » by gehenherzog » Fri Feb 7, 2014 8:36 pm

Hugo The Hornet wrote:
dmutombo321 wrote:Lance Stephenson needs to be this team’s top offseason target, hands down.

I’m not saying he’s going to make the monumental jump we saw from James Harden, but, like Harden during his time in OKC, his number’s are greatly suppressed due to deference to other players on offense in Indy (George, Hibbert).

If you were to plug him in on this Charlotte roster as starting 2 guard, he would be good for 20/5/5 on high percentage shooting (he’s avg 14/7/5 right now with 50%fg on only 11 shots per game).

The guy has figured it out. He defends tenaciously, handles the ball like a PG, has ridiculous court vision and can score. He’s an improved outside shooter (nearly 35%) and he appears to have conquered the maturity problems that plagued him early in his career. In terms of brute strength, he’s the strongest 2 guard in the league and he plays with a contagious swagger. Plus, he is only 23 years old. Stephenson and Walker, both being from NYC know each other and play together on occasion during the summer.

The Pacers desperately want to keep him and he wants to stay. But they’ve got almost 65 million in committed payroll on the books for next season. With Gordon expiring, I’d offer Stephenson up to 10mil per, maybe even 11 in attempt to lure him away, perhaps even having Jordan put in the recruiting call.

Hayward is going to cost at least that much and is barely mustering 40% fg % and, despite his reputation as a shooter, is shooting a worse FG% than Stephenson from the 3.

If we sign Lance Stephenson, put another shooter next to him at SF with our mid first like a Hood or Mcdermott to punish opponents when they double Jefferson next year, then we’ll be a legit play off team.

Walker / FA backup or PG with Portland pick
Stephenson / Hendo (or Taylor if we end up dumping hendo’s contract) / CDR
Hood or McDerrmott / MKG
McBob / Zeller
Jefferson / Biz

Lance Stephenson is awesome player, he has great statistics and it will be great if he will sign in the Hornets franchise, but I guess he will accept his option at the Pacers, and I don't see why not. He in great relationship with the Pacers fans, with the staff and the other player there. I believe he will sign to more year at Indiana in the off-season. Of course it will be awesome if Stephenson will sign at Charlotte, but I think it's not realistic.


Have a feeling Lance Stephenson wants more money than Indiana is willing to give him.
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Post#32 » by BlackOutBuzz » Fri Feb 7, 2014 8:49 pm

Speaking of Kemba and Lance...

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Don't know why it repeats so many times.

Who knows? Kemba got Big Al here, maybe he can bring in Stephenson as well.
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Post#33 » by dmutombo321 » Fri Feb 7, 2014 8:56 pm

gehenherzog is right.

The Pacers face a real conundrum. As mentioned, they have almost $65 million in committed payroll due to the huge contracts theyve handed out recently to George, Hibbert, West, Hill and thats even with Granger's $15 mil coming off their books.

Stephenson is only earning $900k and change this year and will be an unrestricted FA. There is no way Indy will be able to pay him market value without going into luxury tax territory.

So either

A) Stephenson leaves untold millions on the table to stay put in Indy for far less than he is worth

or

B) Indy finds a creative way to offload tons of salary by shipping off multiple players to a teams under the cap without accepting anything in return
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Post#34 » by Hugo The Hornet » Fri Feb 7, 2014 9:05 pm

I'm very hope that Stephenson will sign at Charlotte, but I think it's not realize. We also need PF who replace Josh McRoberts.
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Post#35 » by JDR720 » Fri Feb 7, 2014 10:47 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Evan Turner
DeJuan Blair

you want Turner at all costs!!
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Post#36 » by JDR720 » Fri Feb 7, 2014 11:01 pm

FA's i would sign

Lance Stephenson 4yrs 50million role/ skill- starting SG/everything
Kirk Hinrich 1-2yrs 1.5-3million role/skill-backup PG/passing
Shaun Livingston 2yrs 8million role/skill-backup PG/scoring
Marshan Brooks 1yr 1.5million role/skill-backup SG/shooting
Jan Vesley 2yr 3.5million role/skill-backup SF/PF/energy rebounding
Anthony Tolliver 1yr 1million role/skill-backup SF/PF/shooting
Spencer Hawes 3yr 25million role/skill- high end backup C or starting PF/ shooting
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Post#37 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Fri Feb 7, 2014 11:42 pm

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Post#38 » by Joest2003 » Sat Feb 8, 2014 12:01 am

Common guy have some faith! Charlotte is a nice fairly warm city near the shore and that alone is more than 80% of teams have to offer. Also Big Al and Kemba are no bums they will surely have an affect on who wants to come here. We have a All star calliber Center and a cusp PG who is still young and learning, one more piece and we have our own big 3.
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Post#39 » by NataFresh » Sat Feb 8, 2014 12:43 am

One thing I'm not sure folks are factoring into the discussion when free agency is brought up: Kemba needs an extension also...and you're looking at AT LEAST Lawson money. And considering that cap flexibility is one of Cho's/Mj's mandates...not sure Stephenson or Turner is realistic
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Post#40 » by catch20two » Sat Feb 8, 2014 12:48 am

NataFresh wrote:One thing I'm not sure folks are factoring into the discussion when free agency is brought up: Kemba needs an extension also...and you're looking at AT LEAST Lawson money. And considering that cap flexibility is one of Cho's/Mj's mandates...not sure Stephenson or Turner is realistic

They are realistic but only if we trade Hendo.
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