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Re: I Earn My Money - The Gary Neal Thread 

Post#21 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:20 am

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JDR720 wrote:Neal was playing in Milwaukee and Milwaukee sucks you cant expect him to put up good stats on that mess of a team


That's the same thing that any proponent of Ben Gordon's could've said about him playing in Charlotte last year. I could post highlight reels of Gordon doing work in the playoffs that would shatter that Gary Neal performance. Gordon averaged 20.2 points in 29 playoff games as a Chicago Bulls player, so showing me Neal score 24 points in one game doesn't trump him


Gordon hasn't been relevant in 4+ years. Neal's Finals game was last season


Neal hasn't done nothing statistically better than Gordon over the past "4+ years" but play for the right team (Spurs), and have a more acceptable contract. Also, you must've skipped over the part where I posted a link comparing Gordon's last season numbers when the Bobcats actually gave him 'somewhat' consistent minutes to Neal's statistics this season playing for similarly bad teams, so I'll repost it...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=2013

Before you get your defensive mechanism all prepared to react & attack back at me via post, I'm not trying to say that Neal will be a bad player for the Bobcats, because I actually like his game and think Charlotte will benefit from playing him alongside Kemba as much as possible as long as the matchup allows it, almost to the same tone where I've stood my ground that I felt like Charlotte should've gave Gordon more consistent minutes off the bench until a few months ago where I came to the conclusion that he's just disinterested in even playing for the Bobcats. Neal is a carbon copy of Gordon, but the very difference may be their motivation and acceptability to take on such a sporadic role off the bench '
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Re: I Earn My Money - The Gary Neal Thread 

Post#22 » by amcoolio » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:30 am

We are 25-30, and probably would be over .500 and 5th in the East if Al had not gotten injured in preseason. That is way different from one of the worst single-season coaching performances (Dunlap) and the trainwreck depressing Bucks situation. While Gordon clearly doesn't care I'm willing to bet Neal's numbers will be back to normal after a few weeks here. The Bucks definitely don't have an Al Jefferson or even a Kemba Walker or really even a Josh Mcroberts.
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Re: I Earn My Money - The Gary Neal Thread 

Post#23 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:34 am

amcoolio wrote:We are 25-30, and probably would be over .500 and 5th in the East if Al had not gotten injured in preseason. That is way different from one of the worst single-season coaching performances (Dunlap) and the trainwreck depressing Bucks situation. While Gordon clearly doesn't care I'm willing to bet Neal's numbers will be back to normal after a few weeks here. The Bucks definitely don't have an Al Jefferson or even a Kemba Walker or really even a Josh Mcroberts.


I hope & believe Neal will excel with the Bobcats. The good thing is that Charlotte is acquiring him right in time when they've finally found chemistry on the offensive end by playing inside-out with Jefferson
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Post#24 » by thruthefire » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:33 am

The comparisons to the McBob trade fall apart once you realize Hakim Warrick is not Ramon Sessions.
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Post#25 » by Elden Payton » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:46 am

thruthefire wrote:The comparisons to the McBob trade fall apart once you realize Hakim Warrick is not Ramon Sessions.


I was really bummed for a split second until I realised that we will probably try to re-sign Sessions in the offseason.

Ridnour is a good player and despite his numbers this season, he can still play in this league and give good minutes.

We gain Neal from this and it screams Cho move, our GM is not flashy but his results in low risk trades are phenomenal.

We basically gained Neal at the cost of 1.7m, and swapping Ridnour for Sessions for a few months, which is not too bad imo.

Gaining Neal could be a stroke of genius if he is not a cancerous influence and we just get Sessions back in free agency.
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Post#26 » by BobsBuddy » Sat Feb 22, 2014 1:06 pm

:D :) :o :-? G$N will give us production like he had with the Spurs cause Coach Cliff is like POP.
As for Sessions,He will get more money as FA in off season than we want to pay.
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Re: I Earn My Money - The Gary Neal Thread 

Post#27 » by HornetJail » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:30 pm

BobsBuddy wrote: As for Sessions,He will get more money as FA in off season than we want to pay.
dont count on that. Players who play for the Milwaukee Bucks and lowly bobcats as bench players are going to get big contracts from anybody.

Unless we can find a cheap, similar caliber player that shoots threes at a high rate in the offseason, I'm all for bringing Ramon back if we can.
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Re: I Earn My Money - The Gary Neal Thread 

Post#28 » by Snidely FC » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:11 pm

The other thing about trading for Neal is that we now have 2 SGs under contract for next year, and everybody on this board and elsewhere is expecting CHA to draft SG with whichever pick we get near 10th. Our draft pick next year won't get much PT (unless its McDermott who can play the 3-4)

Do you guys think Sesh would come back? If I were him I'd feel like the team just took a steaming dump on my head.
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Re: I Earn My Money - The Gary Neal Thread 

Post#29 » by MrPerfect1 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:23 pm

If CHA is smart, they will just use Neal as a 5-10 Min/Game Heat check player. If he is hot then leave him in, if not bury him since he does nothing else for a team and loves to shoot when he touches the ball. Neal shoots a jump shot for an almost impossible high 94% of his shot attempts. Also, you never want to play Him + Ridnour at the same time.

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Re: I Earn My Money - The Gary Neal Thread 

Post#30 » by mrknowitall215 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:27 pm

Snidely FC wrote:The other thing about trading for Neal is that we now have 2 SGs under contract for next year, and everybody on this board and elsewhere is expecting CHA to draft SG with whichever pick we get near 10th. Our draft pick next year won't get much PT (unless its McDermott who can play the 3-4)

Do you guys think Sesh would come back? If I were him I'd feel like the team just took a steaming dump on my head.


I'm hoping that Cho finds a way to package Henderson this offseason even if it mean bringing back a semi-bad contract for a quality veteran PF if the best player available via draft is a SG (i.e. James Young, Zach LaVine, Gary Harris, etc.)

I think Sessions would be open to coming back if Charlotte offers him the most lucrative deal as a free-agent, but I also think that's unlikely. Cho & Co. traded Sessions for a reason, and I believe that reason had more to do with his ill-fitting style of play for this roster more than anything, so bringing him back would be questionable towards why did they even trade him in the first place
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Re: I Earn My Money - The Gary Neal Thread 

Post#31 » by mrknowitall215 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:31 pm

MrPerfect1 wrote:If CHA is smart, they will just use Neal as a 5-10 Min/Game Heat check player. If he is hot then leave him in, if not bury him since he does nothing else for a team and loves to shoot when he touches the ball. Neal shoots a jump shot for an almost impossible high 94% of his shot attempts. Also, you never want to play Him + Ridnour at the same time.

http://www.bucksketball.com/2014/02/94- ... ype-stats/


I'm sure that's how he'll be utilized. The exact minute number between 5-10 will be determined. Somewhat unfortunately, Clifford usually has a preset rotation of minutes for each player going into the game that hot hands don't deter, only foul trouble and injuries can disrupt
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Re: I Earn My Money - The Gary Neal Thread 

Post#32 » by JDR720 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:39 pm

Luke will probably play 15-20 and Neal will play around 15
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Post#33 » by Elden Payton » Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:13 am

I'd say Neal will play more than Ridnour.

Neal provides us with exactly what we need in terms of a gunner with consistent range.

Neal should be held in check on our roster as opposed to MKE, Al and Kemba earn their money.
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Re: I Earn My Money - The Gary Neal Thread 

Post#34 » by wakeup50 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:55 am

oh boy you guys will not like neal. he is so bad. doesn't pass ever and just chucks plus plays super bad defense
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Post#35 » by Eoghan » Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:10 am

wakeup50 wrote:oh boy you guys will not like neal. he is so bad. doesn't pass ever and just chucks plus plays super bad defense

Oh, so he's a younger Ben Gordon at a tenth of the price. Yeah, I'll live with that.
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Re: I Earn My Money - The Gary Neal Thread 

Post#36 » by KembaWalker » Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:22 am

wakeup50 wrote:oh boy you guys will not like neal. he is so bad. doesn't pass ever and just chucks plus plays super bad defense


thats a coaching problem
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Re: I Earn My Money - The Gary Neal Thread 

Post#37 » by HornetJail » Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:25 am

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wakeup50 wrote:oh boy you guys will not like neal. he is so bad. doesn't pass ever and just chucks plus plays super bad defense


thats a coaching problem

Nothing a real coach can't fix. Popovich was able to mask it. Question is how much Clifford can do. Even he can't stop Ben Gordon from being a stupid f*ck.
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Re: I Earn My Money - The Gary Neal Thread 

Post#38 » by fatlever » Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:31 am

gordon (to neal): 4 points and 2 rebounds in 20 minutes. beat that new kid!!!
(gordon walks out of lockerroom)
neal (to rest of team): is he serious?
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Re: I Earn My Money - The Gary Neal Thread 

Post#39 » by HornetJail » Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:37 am

fatlever wrote:gordon (to neal): 4 points and 2 rebounds in 20 minutes. beat that new kid!!!
(gordon walks out of lockerroom)
neal (to rest of team): is he serious?

Gary Neal scored 66 points in the NBA finals last year.

Ben Gordon has 99 points in two-thirds of an entire NBA season.




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Re: I Earn My Money - The Gary Neal Thread 

Post#40 » by mrknowitall215 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:43 am

Let's not try to make Ben Gordon out to be a jerk just because he accepted a large overpayment of monies from Joe Dumars. If you guys think Gordon is a problem, I can't wait until Cho & Co. overpay for Lance Stephenson aka The Headache, in which I hope doesn't happen
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