Barbeque Chicken: The Cody Zeller Thread - Pt 2

Amateur Wannabe · Post #21 » by **Amateur Wannabe** » Thu Mar 6, 2014 7:28 am

Sure, but I believe he's tough enough to make it. Hard working and focused.

MasterIchiro · Post #22 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Mar 6, 2014 1:01 pm

To me it's largely mental. Somebody mentioned pace and I agree 100%. I suspect the pace moved to fast for him in the beginning of the year which made him indecisive and prone to errors in judgment. He panicked alot and often appeared confused and disoriented. I think he can now see the game again, read how players move, anticipate the ball like he did last night for the fast break slam. I think just overall he's mentally calmer and can see things. He's definitely fast enough, athletic enough and perhaps even strong enough to assert himself into the flow of the game on both ends of the floor. Another thing is conditioning. This club has been very supportive of him. He was fortunate to be drafted into a good situation and smart to stay in school one more year. They have brought him along slow and built his stamina. The All-Star break and the week off and the recent day off I think will pay huge dividends for him down the stretch as mental pressure builds and this team fights for playoff positioning.

How lucky are we if he pans out?

It solves a huge hole at the PF position with McRoberts. I think next year he will play even bigger minutes.

So moving forward, we have a huge amount of cap space and picks we can allocate to remaining weaknesses on the team. We can concentrate resources mainly on SG and perhaps SF. I think you leave alone PF position and obviously you don't use all that cap space plus 2 first round picks for SG alone. So there could be nice upgrades at 2 positions now that Zeller has turned the corner.

Bassman · Post #23 » by **Bassman** » Thu Mar 6, 2014 2:00 pm

Watching Cody, I see measurable improvement, which is a huge positive for any rookie, but particularly for a big man. It is difficult to make a lot of progress in season. Teaching time is limited, and rookie bigs tend to wear down from the grind quicker than guards. His chief items to work on this offseason are:

> Shooting - Zeller's form is actually pretty good. His biggest issue is a body-pivot or rock that is inconsistent, which throws his shot off. He also needs work on his touch near the rim, but that is related to his other need....

> Strength - Zeller is tall and athletic but he has a small frame. He will add strength but his build is not suited to becoming a power player. Cody can get good enough to post 4's and hit jumpers in his reliable range (I doubt that ever includes 3 point territory). Most importantly he needs to finish at the rim, fight through the D and get his shot off (and to the FT line). He will benefit learning more from Big Al & Ewing.

The team talked about Cody being a stretch 4. I think he will be a limited hybrid of that, more of a traditional 4 with mid-rang, but more athletic than old-school bigs.

mrknowitall215 · Post #24 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Mar 6, 2014 8:22 pm

Lately, Cody Zeller has done a great job of doing what he did best at the collegiate level, and that's getting to the free throw line. Over the past 6 games in which Zeller has been looking serviceable at the least as a reserve, he's gotten to the free throw line for 30 attempts. That's a average of 5 free throw attempts per game in less than 20 minutes per game. That's very impressive considering that the team leader in free throw attempts is Kemba Walker with 4.5 per game, but he averages marginally more than double the amount of time Zeller receives on the floor

Post #25 » by **JDR720** » Thu Mar 6, 2014 8:35 pm

new rookie report
http://www.nba.com/bobcats/video/2014/0 ... ov-3183981

Elden Payton · Post #26 » by **Elden Payton** » Thu Mar 6, 2014 11:51 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:Lately, Cody Zeller has done a great job of doing what he did best at the collegiate level, and that's getting to the free throw line. Over the past 6 games in which Zeller has been looking serviceable at the least as a reserve, he's gotten to the free throw line for 30 attempts. That's a average of 5 free throw attempts per game in less than 20 minutes per game. That's very impressive considering that the team leader in free throw attempts is Kemba Walker with 4.5 per game, but he averages marginally more than double the amount of time Zeller receives on the floor

And in an amazig feat for a 7 footer, he's shooting 75 percent from the charity stripe.

He averaged 76 percent in college, and about 50 percent in his first month or two in the league.

Post #27 » by **JDR720** » Fri Mar 7, 2014 1:08 am

Sik Infant wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:Lately, Cody Zeller has done a great job of doing what he did best at the collegiate level, and that's getting to the free throw line. Over the past 6 games in which Zeller has been looking serviceable at the least as a reserve, he's gotten to the free throw line for 30 attempts. That's a average of 5 free throw attempts per game in less than 20 minutes per game. That's very impressive considering that the team leader in free throw attempts is Kemba Walker with 4.5 per game, but he averages marginally more than double the amount of time Zeller receives on the floor

And in an amazig feat for a 7 footer, he's shooting 75 percent from the charity stripe.

He averaged 76 percent in college, and about 50 percent in his first month or two in the league.

that is one reason i think he can become a good jumpshooter

Post #28 » by **JDR720** » Fri Mar 7, 2014 1:15 am

looking at his shot chart over the last 30 days (vorped.com) he has only taken 17 jump shots (made 5) and he is shooting a much better 58.6% in the paint (50% for season) i think he has finally figured it out, shoot less jumpers and finish strong in paint more

catch20two · Post #29 » by **catch20two** » Fri Mar 7, 2014 4:21 am

JDR720 wrote:looking at his shot chart over the last 30 days (vorped.com) he has only taken 17 jump shots (made 5) and he is shooting a much better 58.6% in the paint (50% for season) i think he has finally figured it out, shoot less jumpers and finish strong in paint more

I'm practically begging him not to shoot jumpers unless it's a last resort like the shot clock is at 3. He's coming along but he's not a stretch 4 or even a PF with a jumper.

HornetJail · Post #30 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Mar 7, 2014 4:24 am

Zeller's brain + Mullens' skillset and body... how good is Byron Zeller?

catch20two · Post #31 » by **catch20two** » Fri Mar 7, 2014 4:29 am

Biz Gilwalker wrote:Zeller's brain + Mullens' skillset and body... how good is Byron Zeller?

If Mullens had Zeller's motor and hustle he would be better without the IQ. The problem with Mullens is that he's lackadaisical on top of not being smart. But to answer your equation I would say a taller Kevin Love.

Post #32 » by **JDR720** » Fri Mar 7, 2014 4:31 am

Biz Gilwalker wrote:Zeller's brain + Mullens' skillset and body... how good is Byron Zeller?

depends....are we talking about the good Mullens that can carry an offense when he is hot....or the tank commander Byron

Eoghan · Post #33 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Mar 7, 2014 4:44 am

Cody doesn't need Mullen's body, he just needs his arms. And maybe his unibrow.

James Gatz · Post #34 » by **James Gatz** » Sat Mar 8, 2014 5:12 am

Zeller has highest rookie PER post All-Star Break.

https://infogr.am/post-asg-rookie-per-3 ... pg?src=web

Liver_Pooty · Post #35 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Mar 8, 2014 5:15 am

James Gatz wrote:Zeller has highest rookie PER post All-Star Break.

https://infogr.am/post-asg-rookie-per-3 ... pg?src=web

Ha. Didn't know that. Nice post.

Elden Payton · Post #36 » by **Elden Payton** » Sat Mar 8, 2014 6:10 am

Cheers for that info Gatz.

Cody is going to be a good player imo, I wanted Zeller or McLemore and I think I would have been disappointed either way!

I think McLemore is also a good prospect.

Half the fans of the modern NBA, would have wanted to trade rookie Kobe at the deadline imo.

All prospects take time, rookie Lebron etc are the exception and not the rule.

Also, having a good rookie season is nice but does not guarantee future success.

Radu_Hornets · Post #37 » by **Radu_Hornets** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:27 am

From the poll on NBA.com

HornetJail · Post #38 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:21 pm

Yay! Our 4th pick is better than Olynyk, Pero Antic, and the worse Plumlee!

mrknowitall215 · Post #39 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:03 pm

Cody Zeller w/ Starting Lineup
OffRtg: 86.2
DefRtg: 93.9
NetRtg: -7.7
TS%: 39.5
eFG%: 46.5
PIE%: 52.8

countryboi · Post #40 » by **countryboi** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:05 pm

Sik Infant wrote:Cheers for that info Gatz.

Cody is going to be a good player imo, I wanted Zeller or McLemore and I think I would have been disappointed either way!

I think McLemore is also a good prospect.

Half the fans of the modern NBA, would have wanted to trade rookie Kobe at the deadline imo.

All prospects take time, rookie Lebron etc are the exception and not the rule.

Also, having a good rookie season is nice but does not guarantee future success.

its much harder to say these players are playing like ****...but honestly cody is playing too talented to play like crap forever.