Gurkel: The Brian Roberts Thread

[HornetJail]

That's the room exception. This doesn't take away from being able to sign Lance Stephenson.

Either way, we've spent two years and 20M on Roberts and Williams.

Now I really wish we'd kept McRoberts and brought back CDR, so we could have Roberts, McRoberts, and Douglas-Roberts on the same roster.

Not thrilled with this signing, but he's serviceable.

[mrknowitall215]

I stated that Cho shouldn't go over $2.5 million annually for Brian Roberts, but he did. However not enough for me to complain much. I like Roberts, but I think I'm going to be indifferent while slightly leaning towards disappointment if he's the immediate backup behind Kemba for the entire season

[BlackOutBuzz]

Looks like the Room Exception, really like this move. If it is the Room, we should still have about $13m to play with. We're also still about 6.75m below the salary floor.

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[amcoolio]

Cho's track record with signing bit parts has been very good so far. So we can't knock him on that.

If he reportedly brought 5 analytic geeks to the Hayward meeting to explain why Hayward would excel in our system, then I'm sure he has done his homework on Roberts and Williams.

But this offseason, even though we drafted Vonleh, is still a punch in the gut compared to the excitement in anticipation we had 2 weeks ago unless we make a big move like Stephenson.

[MPM]

I see a pattern. McBob shot 36% from 3 last year, Williams shot 36% from 3 last year, Roberts shot 36% from 3 last year. Cho is pairing advanced statistical analysis with Kabbalah to divine the secrets to basketball success.

"Jewish tradition holds that the number 36 has had special significance since the beginning of time: According to the Midrash, the light created by God on the first day of creation shone for exactly 36 hours; it was replaced by the light of the Sun that was created on the Fourth Day. The Torah commands 36 times to love, respect and protect the stranger. Furthermore, in every generation there are 36 righteous people (the "Lamed Vav Tzadikim") in whose merit the world continues to exist. In the modern celebration of Hannukah, 36 candles are kindled in the menorah over the 8 days of that holiday (not including the shamash candle)"

I'm on to you, Cho.

[catch20two]

Lol. This is a very blah signing. The guy is a 3rd stringer on a good team. I guess we're not tryna be a good team.

What dont you like about his game?

He's serviceable. He's OK. But that's just it. We're not making no splash. We're not signing former all stars with proven backgrounds like Mo Williams or Jameer Nelson. We're not signing fringe starters like Greivis Vasquez or trading for Jarrett Jack. We're signing a mediocre overseas journeyman backup that's only played in the NBA two years on a losing team or in other words hasn't proven diddly squat on a team that can win. His efficiency is blah too, don't even have that in his favor in limited minutes.

[amcoolio]

I see a pattern. McBob shot 36% from 3 last year, Williams shot 36% from 3 last year, Roberts shot 36% from 3 last year. Cho is pairing advanced statistical analysis with Kabbalah to divine the secrets to basketball success.

"Jewish tradition holds that the number 36 has had special significance since the beginning of time: According to the Midrash, the light created by God on the first day of creation shone for exactly 36 hours; it was replaced by the light of the Sun that was created on the Fourth Day. The Torah commands 36 times to love, respect and protect the stranger. Furthermore, in every generation there are 36 righteous people (the "Lamed Vav Tzadikim") in whose merit the world continues to exist. In the modern celebration of Hannukah, 36 candles are kindled in the menorah over the 8 days of that holiday (not including the shamash candle)"

I'm on to you, Cho.

From Choseph Smith to Choses

[HornetJail]

Above average shooter at the 3P line, elite FT shooter. Doesn't give much else. He's 28 already, so he probably is what he is. Cho has a great track record with finding unknown bench warmers and turning out solid role players, so hopefully this trend continues. I'm neutral, though slightly disappointed we couldn't get Nelson.

[buffaloblue]

Lol. This is a very blah signing. The guy is a 3rd stringer on a good team. I guess we're not tryna be a good team.

What dont you like about his game?

He's serviceable. He's OK. But that's just it. We're not making no splash. We're not signing former all stars with proven backgrounds like Mo Williams or Jameer Nelson. We're not signing fringe starters like Greivis Vasquez or trading for Jarrett Jack. We're signing a mediocre overseas journeyman backup that's only played in the NBA two years on a losing team or in other words hasn't proven diddly squat on a team that can win. His efficiency is blah too, don't even have that in his favor in limited minutes.

So you have a preference of spending 5 million on Mo or Jameer thus not allowing us to go after Lance potentially?

Neither of those guys would sign for the room exception with us.

[catch20two]

Would anyone have predicted we'd have a great or even good offseason if the description of it began with "The Charlotte Hornets committed almost $10m per year for the next two years to Marvin Williams and Brian Roberts."

No. We just have a few people that OK everything Cho does because they don't know no better. This has been a very ho hum free agency that I'm very disappointed in. We're not getting better like the teams around us.

There are not many better options out there. You could gamble on a potential team killer in Lance but other than that what is there? Roberts is a solid backup PG who shoots well and can handle the ball. Also since we play so slow and have close games 94% FT will be nice down the stretch.

There aren't many better options because we wasted all of our time tryna sign Hayward overrated ass the first week of free agency while the good backup PGs went St. Elsewhere. Why not Jameer Nelson? Isn't he still available?

Backup PG was one of our glaring weaknesses all of last year when Kemba went to the bench and this the best we can do?!?

PF depth was our other weakness and we address that with Messy Marv mediocre ass while letting McBob go so we got weaker there.

We still don't have a SG that's a upgrade to Hendo. What the hell are we doing?!? Getting worst?!?

[catch20two]

What dont you like about his game?

He's serviceable. He's OK. But that's just it. We're not making no splash. We're not signing former all stars with proven backgrounds like Mo Williams or Jameer Nelson. We're not signing fringe starters like Greivis Vasquez or trading for Jarrett Jack. We're signing a mediocre overseas journeyman backup that's only played in the NBA two years on a losing team or in other words hasn't proven diddly squat on a team that can win. His efficiency is blah too, don't even have that in his favor in limited minutes.

So you have a preference of spending 5 million on Mo or Jameer thus not allowing us to go after Lance potentially?

Neither of those guys would sign for the room exception with us.

If we never would've signed Messy Marv's mediocre ass we wouldn't be worried about that, now would we?

[buffaloblue]

Again, at this point the whole offseason comes down to signing Lance. If we get him then I will look back on it as a success. Otherwise I will be very disappointed.

We have the cap space to make the final move and splash and the Williams/Roberts signing will make much more sense and be better if we end the offseason with Lance.

Failure to do this will result in an absolute albatross of an offseason.

[catch20two]

Brian Roberts will be OK. He'll be somewhere between Sessions and Ridnour. Not really a upgrade from what we already had last year. I'll cheer him on every shot he make because he's gonna make his share but that don't mean that I like how we handled this free agency. Not at all. Go Brian Roberts!

[Hornet Mania]

Seems like a decent player. He can't possibly be worse than Ridnour was toward the end of last season. I haven't seen much of him since the Pelicans practically never make national TV appearances. Wikipedia claims he started 42 games last year, makes sense with the Jrue injury. I'd be very interested to hear the opinions of some New Orleans fans.

[Eoghan]

I'm glad they went the cheap route on a backup PG, it wouldn't make much sense to pay a guy much when Kemba is going to log heavy minutes by default. Roberts is good enough to spell Kemba without the team going to crap and has the size and shooting to play alongside Kemba a little bit.

[catch20two]

Again, at this point the whole offseason comes down to signing Lance. If we get him then I will look back on it as a success. Otherwise I will be very disappointed.

We have the cap space to make the final move and splash and the Williams/Roberts signing will make much more sense and be better if we end the offseason with Lance.

Failure to do this will result in an absolute albatross of an offseason.

Get ready to be very disappointed then. If we wanted Lance we would've had him. The guy just waiting for some real interest but we're not giving it to him because maybe we're not that interested.

[BeesWax]

No. We just have a few people that OK everything Cho does because they don't know no better. This has been a very ho hum free agency that I'm very disappointed in. We're not getting better like the teams around us.

There are not many better options out there. You could gamble on a potential team killer in Lance but other than that what is there? Roberts is a solid backup PG who shoots well and can handle the ball. Also since we play so slow and have close games 94% FT will be nice down the stretch.

There aren't many better options because we wasted all of our time tryna sign Hayward overrated ass the first week of free agency while the good backup PGs went St. Elsewhere. Why not Jameer Nelson? Isn't he still available?

Backup PG was one of our glaring weaknesses all of last year when Kemba went to the bench and this the best we can do?!?

PF depth was our other weakness and we address that with Messy Marv mediocre ass while letting McBob go so we got weaker there.

We still don't have a SG that's a upgrade to Hendo. What the hell are we doing?!? Getting worst?!?

THERE WAS NOBODY BETTER.

For what we want to spend on a backup PG there wasn't a better option. McRoberts wanted more years that we want to give. If you look you can see a pattern of freeing space for 2016. Josh wanted a longer contract so he left. The best player for us in FA was Hayward he fit our team better than anyone else out there so we made the smart play and signed him to a contract Utah would be stupid to match. They were just stupid and did it. He had a chance at living up to it here and no chance there due to team composition. If you look at it long term and not short term we are doing fine. We haven't wasted anything or killed our team with anybody.

Spending money just to spend money is not smart business. We are taking a more deliberate approach and targeting good fits.

We are not the worst but may have gotten worse. If you look at what we are doing we have upgraded backup PG. FA is not over and every move we have mdd makes some sense to a long term plan.

[catch20two]

There are not many better options out there. You could gamble on a potential team killer in Lance but other than that what is there? Roberts is a solid backup PG who shoots well and can handle the ball. Also since we play so slow and have close games 94% FT will be nice down the stretch.

There aren't many better options because we wasted all of our time tryna sign Hayward overrated ass the first week of free agency while the good backup PGs went St. Elsewhere. Why not Jameer Nelson? Isn't he still available?

Backup PG was one of our glaring weaknesses all of last year when Kemba went to the bench and this the best we can do?!?

PF depth was our other weakness and we address that with Messy Marv mediocre ass while letting McBob go so we got weaker there.

We still don't have a SG that's a upgrade to Hendo. What the hell are we doing?!? Getting worst?!?

THERE WAS NOBODY BETTER.

For what we want to spend on a backup PG there wasn't a better option. McRoberts wanted more years that we want to give. If you look you can see a pattern of freeing space for 2016. Josh wanted a longer contract so he left. The best player for us in FA was Hayward he fit our team better than anyone else out there so we made the smart play and signed him to a contract Utah would be stupid to match. They were just stupid and did it. He had a chance at living up to it here and no chance there due to team composition. If you look at it long term and not short term we are doing fine. We haven't wasted anything or killed our team with anybody.

Spending money just to spend money is not smart business. We are taking a more deliberate approach and targeting good fits.

We are not the worst but may have gotten worse. If you look at what we are doing we have upgraded backup PG. FA is not over and every move we have mdd makes some sense to a long term plan.

Remember when we had a lot of money to spend? Yea I remember that too. Lol smh.

[BeesWax]

He's serviceable. He's OK. But that's just it. We're not making no splash. We're not signing former all stars with proven backgrounds like Mo Williams or Jameer Nelson. We're not signing fringe starters like Greivis Vasquez or trading for Jarrett Jack. We're signing a mediocre overseas journeyman backup that's only played in the NBA two years on a losing team or in other words hasn't proven diddly squat on a team that can win. His efficiency is blah too, don't even have that in his favor in limited minutes.

So you have a preference of spending 5 million on Mo or Jameer thus not allowing us to go after Lance potentially?

Neither of those guys would sign for the room exception with us.

If we never would've signed Messy Marv's mediocre ass we wouldn't be worried about that, now would we?

We also wouldn't have a starting PF if we hadn't. Wasting money on a 12 minute per game backup isn't worth it.

[BeesWax]

There aren't many better options because we wasted all of our time tryna sign Hayward overrated ass the first week of free agency while the good backup PGs went St. Elsewhere. Why not Jameer Nelson? Isn't he still available?

Backup PG was one of our glaring weaknesses all of last year when Kemba went to the bench and this the best we can do?!?

PF depth was our other weakness and we address that with Messy Marv mediocre ass while letting McBob go so we got weaker there.

We still don't have a SG that's a upgrade to Hendo. What the hell are we doing?!? Getting worst?!?

THERE WAS NOBODY BETTER.

For what we want to spend on a backup PG there wasn't a better option. McRoberts wanted more years that we want to give. If you look you can see a pattern of freeing space for 2016. Josh wanted a longer contract so he left. The best player for us in FA was Hayward he fit our team better than anyone else out there so we made the smart play and signed him to a contract Utah would be stupid to match. They were just stupid and did it. He had a chance at living up to it here and no chance there due to team composition. If you look at it long term and not short term we are doing fine. We haven't wasted anything or killed our team with anybody.

Spending money just to spend money is not smart business. We are taking a more deliberate approach and targeting good fits.

We are not the worst but may have gotten worse. If you look at what we are doing we have upgraded backup PG. FA is not over and every move we have mdd makes some sense to a long term plan.

Remember when we had a lot of money to spend? Yea I remember that too. Lol smh.

I do and we tried to spend it on the guy who made sense and it didn't work. Oh well maybe we should take your route and waste it on bad fits and bad contracts just to say we have.

Having lots of money doesn't help if you don't have good players to spend it on. The fits were not there after Hayward wasn't available.