Bubble Guts - The Mo Williams Thread

[JDR720]

I Earn Mo Money: The Mo Williams Thread

[Liver_Pooty]

Mo Money Mo Problems: The Mo Williams Thread.

[MasterIchiro]

Great trade for us. Do we consider moving Kemba?

We should trade him for PJ Hairston, I know it's not possible nor even necessary and kind of weird to even suggest it, but PJ is really good and I mean like really REALLY good. It would be a steal. We'd totally win the trade and rip off the Hornets.

[Liver_Pooty]

I just really want people as BigSlam said to temper their expectations. Hes a severe upgrade over Roberts, but if he goes 2-8 off the bench dont throw him off the cliff immediately, please. This guy is a solid, solid player.

[MasterIchiro]

I love how Cliff went with him big minutes 1st game and ousted Roberts from his starting spot. Cliff probably couldn't wait to get Roberts off the court. I can't wait until Kemba comes back and Roberts is taking fashion tips from Bismack Biyombo.

[Braggins]

I love how Cliff went with him big minutes 1st game and ousted Roberts from his starting spot. Cliff probably couldn't wait to get Roberts off the court. I can't wait until Kemba comes back and Roberts is taking fashion tips from Bismack Biyombo.

Hopefully Clifford doesn't give him minutes in Kemba, Mo, Roberts, lineups.

[thruthefire]

I think this will be very revealing for those that view Kemba's deal as fair value.

[Braggins]

How long before the honeymoon period ends and Mo starts to feel the effects of being a guard in Clifford's system? I saw him getting very visibly frustrated last night. Luckily, he is a savvy vet and consummate pro and still kept ballin,. Hopefully, he won't be as affected by it as much as others have. Still, I can't help but think it isn't going to take much longer for him to realize the Al he remembers playing with is long gone and we have a coach that is basically clueless.

[Braggins]

I think this will be very revealing for those that view Kemba's deal as fair value.

Kemba is definitely the better player, but Mo has tons of veteran savvy and is currently better than Kemba at running an NBA offense. I view this as a great thing because Kemba has never had a guy like Mo to mentor him. I hope Mo is here for at least another year to give us a quality backup and teach Kemba as much as possible. I think Kemba will learn a lot from Mo and it will improve his game.

[mrknowitall215]

I think this will be very revealing for those that view Kemba's deal as fair value.

First off, Mo Williams isn't just some random backup PG like Brian Roberts, so trying to use Williams boastful numbers in a nutshell to belittle Kemba isn't even relevant because Williams is fully capable of putting up numbers, which is the reason why I preferred him over somebody like Roberts who is a virtual unknown that wasn't that productive anyway. Williams is a former All-Star. Also, during Williams' prime he was palpable to attain a contract in excess of $8 million annually with Milwaukee based on his play. While you're at it, compare Williams' early career or total career numbers to Kemba's career numbers and you'd see that Kemba is obviously the better player

[Braggins]

Surely there is some sort of exception we can use to resign Mo at like 4-5 for a year or two in the disastrous scenario where both Al and Hendo opt-in? If that happens, I feel like our only options are to resign Biz and Mo and wait for Hendo, Al, and Lance, to come off the books. I'm really worried that if they opt-in we will let Biz walk and sign and old crappy shooter, and that it will almost surely be due to pressure put on Cho by MJ.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Surely there is some sort of exception we can use to resign Mo at like 4-5 for a year or two in the disastrous scenario where both Al and Hendo opt-in? If that happens, I feel like our only options are to resign Biz and Mo and wait for Hendo, Al, and Lance, to come off the books. I'm really worried that if they opt-in we will let Biz walk and sign and old crappy shooter, and that it will almost surely be due to pressure put on Cho by MJ.

Non-Bird exception will allow us to re-sign Mo for 120% of his previous salary. After his 15% trade kicker he's making just under $5m this year, so we can offer him a little under $6m annually even if we're capped out (we likely will be).

[mrknowitall215]

Surely there is some sort of exception we can use to resign Mo at like 4-5 for a year or two in the disastrous scenario where both Al and Hendo opt-in? If that happens, I feel like our only options are to resign Biz and Mo and wait for Hendo, Al, and Lance, to come off the books. I'm really worried that if they opt-in we will let Biz walk and sign and old crappy shooter, and that it will almost surely be due to pressure put on Cho by MJ.

We could re-sign him via the non-Bird exception, but I wouldn't be surprised if we let Mo Williams walk this offseason. Cho's blunder of this past offseason free-agency has put us in a bit of a predicament where we're essentially stuck with this same roster unless he want to attach draft picks to unload players on other teams. Surely a team like the Sixers would take on Lance Stephenson or Marvin Williams if a future 1st rounder is involved, and a few teams might be willing to take on Brian Roberts with a 2nd rounder attached. However, I'm not recommending this move, but trading our 1st rounder attached to a expendable player for a player that we would've considered via free-agency might be the best way for this roster to improve on talent this upcoming offseason unless you want to expect a rookie to alter our progression significantly

[Braggins]

Surely there is some sort of exception we can use to resign Mo at like 4-5 for a year or two in the disastrous scenario where both Al and Hendo opt-in? If that happens, I feel like our only options are to resign Biz and Mo and wait for Hendo, Al, and Lance, to come off the books. I'm really worried that if they opt-in we will let Biz walk and sign and old crappy shooter, and that it will almost surely be due to pressure put on Cho by MJ.

We could re-sign him via the non-Bird exception, but I wouldn't be surprised if we let Mo Williams walk this offseason. Cho's blunder of this past offseason free-agency has put us in a bit of a predicament where we're essentially stuck with this same roster unless he want to attach draft picks to unload players on other teams. Surely a team like the Sixers would take on Lance Stephenson or Marvin Williams if a future 1st rounder is involved, and a few teams might be willing to take on Brian Roberts with a 2nd rounder attached. However, I'm not recommending this move, but trading our 1st rounder attached to a expendable player for a player that we would've considered via free-agency might be the best way for this roster to improve on talent this upcoming offseason unless you want to expect a rookie to alter our progression significantly

Even if we're stuck with the same roster, I want Mo on it. I'm a bit worried we don't resign him as well, but if he plays as well as I expect him to his salary relative to his production is going to look way better than anything we'd have available to us in the market. He might not want to stay if we continue to suck.

I feel like everyone in our management overrated Jefferson, Clifford, and Lance. We thought we could get away with just signing a few low risk guys who could shoot because Jefferson was all-nba and going to carry us. It always felt to me like ending the rebuild was a Jordan/Higgins move. Thats why I give Cho a lot of leeway for this season. I definitely don't excuse him for choosing the role players he did to sign or giving them the money he did, but I feel like he has done a great job with the exception of last free-agency (and remember Lance was another Jordan move). Cho's draft picks are looking pretty good to me and we are actually seeing some player development now that we have Price, Ewing, and that guy we signed last off-season (can't remember his name). We might be stuck with the Al/Clifford roster setup for one more year, but our cap situation is great after that and we have some good young players and all our draft picks.

[TheKingofSting]

Bring Mo back I agree. Make it happen somehow.

[tondi123]

The quickest way to improve this team is to have guys on the floor who can shoot. We spent all of our cap space for this season and next on guys who aren't shooting upgrades over the cheap journeymen they replaced. If Mo is the one guy we've brought on board who can consistently be an outside threat we would be making a mistake to let him leave. If we have to attach a pick to get rid of Lance or Marv so what? Its not like a mid round pick would ever get on the floor anyway. Would we rather have 9 million freed up to improve the team immediately or have yet another 1st rounder sitting the bench next to PJ and Vonleh, serving no purpose whatsoever, just because they MIGHT someday worm their way into Cliffs iron clad rotation?

[therebirth]

Sick of people looking for excuses when it comes to cho. This is his team and his players. If you are gonna give him credit for drafting mkg then you should give him the blame for signing lance. Kenba walker was mj's pick but almost everybody gives cho credit for drafting him. He is the GM. Mj comes in only after first meeting with cho.

[catch20two]

Sick of people looking for excuses when it comes to cho. This is his team and his players. If you are gonna give him credit for drafting mkg then you should give him the blame for signing lance. Kenba walker was mj's pick but almost everybody gives cho credit for drafting him. He is the GM. Mj comes in only after first meeting with cho.

I'm sick of the excuses for Cho too. The Zeller pick made me skeptical of Cho and then this past offseason free agency with all that cap space made me dislike him. I was really looking forward to making a splash and if that wasn't there then returning our chemistry of players like Tolliver and CDR but he made it worse with Marv and Roberts while taking away our flexibility.

Even the trade for MoWill is a example of Cho tryna clean up his mistakes. We coulda signed MoWill straight up this summer instead of having to trade a 2nd rounder for him. At least we got rid of Neal tho.

[thruthefire]

I think this will be very revealing for those that view Kemba's deal as fair value.

First off, Mo Williams isn't just some random backup PG like Brian Roberts, so trying to use Williams boastful numbers in a nutshell to belittle Kemba isn't even relevant because Williams is fully capable of putting up numbers, which is the reason why I preferred him over somebody like Roberts who is a virtual unknown that wasn't that productive anyway. Williams is a former All-Star. Also, during Williams' prime he was palpable to attain a contract in excess of $8 million annually with Milwaukee based on his play. While you're at it, compare Williams' early career or total career numbers to Kemba's career numbers and you'd see that Kemba is obviously the better player

Mo Williams is a "former All-Star" who "is fully capable of putting up numbers," and he is making $3.75 million. I guess you share my opinion.

[Liver_Pooty]

Mo looks exactly like John Legend.