2015-16 Fake Trade Thread

[Flip Murray]

i think batum just needs a change of scenery.

He looked completely disinterested with basketball this year.

If he can't maintain focus whilst in the middle of "contending" in the West, I'm pretty sure it's a disaster waiting to happen here.

yeah it might be time for me to give up on him. He's 26. I always thought he was going to be such a good player. I'll give him one more year though. This is pure bs on my part but he reminds me of Boris Diaw in a way. It's almost like basketball isn't the most important thing to them. Maybe its a French thing.

[Elden Payton]

i think batum just needs a change of scenery.

He looked completely disinterested with basketball this year.

If he can't maintain focus whilst in the middle of "contending" in the West, I'm pretty sure it's a disaster waiting to happen here.

yeah it might be time for me to give up on him. He's 26. I always thought he was going to be such a good player. I'll give him one more year though. This is pure bs on my part but he reminds me of Boris Diaw in a way. It's almost like basketball isn't the most important thing to them. Maybe its a French thing.

He's always shown flashes of a complete all-around game but has never put it all together at the same time.

He's only 26 but it seems he may have peaked.

[Elden Payton]

i think batum just needs a change of scenery.

He looked completely disinterested with basketball this year.

If he can't maintain focus whilst in the middle of "contending" in the West, I'm pretty sure it's a disaster waiting to happen here.

Al did too.

this trade is basically Al for Batum (both expire next season) and 9th for 23rd, Leonard and McCollum.

huge shooting upgrade, 2 40% 3pt shooters and Batum is a career 36% shooter.

I would do the deal unless Hezonja is at 9. Would consider if Stanley is there.

The #9 pick is the best asset in the deal and giving it up just seems a little treadmill-ish imo.

[BeesWax]

He looked completely disinterested with basketball this year.

If he can't maintain focus whilst in the middle of "contending" in the West, I'm pretty sure it's a disaster waiting to happen here.

Al did too.

this trade is basically Al for Batum (both expire next season) and 9th for 23rd, Leonard and McCollum.

huge shooting upgrade, 2 40% 3pt shooters and Batum is a career 36% shooter.

I would do the deal unless Hezonja is at 9. Would consider if Stanley is there.

The #9 pick is the best asset in the deal and giving it up just seems a little treadmill-ish imo.

I think this is opposite of treadmill. We are making a bold move to improve our team composition. They talked about finding a group Lance would have room to operate with on the floor. Could you imagine the room he would have to drive with a second unit of McCollum, Hairston, Vonleh and Leonard. It would open the entire lane up and Lance could run that second unit with lots of drive and kick candidates and two solid bigs that could be utilized in the pick and roll.

At worst it is a one year gamble on Batum getting back his game from the past couple years while adding two pieces that are nice fits off the bench. This year we needed more impact scoring punch of the bench and shooter and this would solve both.

[Elden Payton]

Al did too.

this trade is basically Al for Batum (both expire next season) and 9th for 23rd, Leonard and McCollum.

huge shooting upgrade, 2 40% 3pt shooters and Batum is a career 36% shooter.

I would do the deal unless Hezonja is at 9. Would consider if Stanley is there.

The #9 pick is the best asset in the deal and giving it up just seems a little treadmill-ish imo.

I think this is opposite of treadmill. We are making a bold move to improve our team composition. They talked about finding a group Lance would have room to operate with on the floor. Could you imagine the room he would have to drive with a second unit of McCollum, Hairston, Vonleh and Leonard. It would open the entire lane up and Lance could run that second unit with lots of drive and kick candidates and two solid bigs that could be utilized in the pick and roll.

At worst it is a one year gamble on Batum getting back his game from the past couple years while adding two pieces that are nice fits off the bench. This year we needed more impact scoring punch of the bench and shooter and this would solve both.

It's pretty much like every treadmill move ever.

Give up #9+the best player in the deal for bit parts and a late first.

[BeesWax]

The #9 pick is the best asset in the deal and giving it up just seems a little treadmill-ish imo.

I think this is opposite of treadmill. We are making a bold move to improve our team composition. They talked about finding a group Lance would have room to operate with on the floor. Could you imagine the room he would have to drive with a second unit of McCollum, Hairston, Vonleh and Leonard. It would open the entire lane up and Lance could run that second unit with lots of drive and kick candidates and two solid bigs that could be utilized in the pick and roll.

At worst it is a one year gamble on Batum getting back his game from the past couple years while adding two pieces that are nice fits off the bench. This year we needed more impact scoring punch of the bench and shooter and this would solve both.

It's pretty much like every treadmill move ever.

Give up #9+the best player in the deal for bit parts and a late first.

No staying where we are drafting a guy and hoping he pans out seems more like a treadmill move. I would rather have three proven players who fit our system and fill holes while moving away from Al. Standing pat with this group going into next season is a treadmill move this is an attempt to hop off the treadmill. Nine is nowhere near a sure best player in this deal and the worst player in the deal for us is Al.

[LofJ]

I think Portland is taking too big of a hit to their depth in that deal, I'd still like it if McCollum was removed.

[BeesWax]

I think Portland is taking too big of a hit to their depth in that deal, I'd still like it if McCollum was removed.

I think that would kill the trade for me. I like how this bolsters our bench a lot and without both young guys it just isn't there. I would get Portland not wanting to move these guys but they will have to do a lot to get a pick as high as nine.

[yosemiteben]

There's no way I move Al and the 9 unless we're getting a consistent scorer in return. None of Leonard, Batum, or McCollum can consistently carry a scoring load.

[BeesWax]

I think it is an upgrade at 3 positions from this years team and improves overall fit. I do not like losing the nine but getting three upgrades and possibly 4 depending on the late first IMO is just to much to pass on.

[yosemiteben]

I don't see Leonard as a significant improvement, he barely played this season and he's not ready for major minutes. I don't see McCollum as any real improvement over a random mid-level FA PG we could sign for the MLE. I can't get very excited about Batum. I just don't like it.

[BeesWax]

I don't see Leonard as a significant improvement, he barely played this season and he's not ready for major minutes. I don't see McCollum as any real improvement over a random mid-level FA PG we could sign for the MLE. I can't get very excited about Batum. I just don't like it.

Leonard is a better fit for what we want to do than Al is so I consider that an upgrade.
McCollum is a 40% 3pt shooter who could play the PG defensively while Lance runs the second unit which is an upgrade.
Batum is a better and much more willing shooter than Henderson and while also possessing better playmaking ability.

I can understand not liking the trade but I wanted to explain my view. Al is a negative on this team right now and needs to be moved so we can get on. Gaining three guys who fit roles and improve the function of our team for a guy who does not fit is a winner to me. I would trade Al for a sack of deflated basketballs just to move on from him so to get a solid return for me is a bonus. Resign Biz and he starts for us and Leonard comes off the bench. You support Clifford and he keeps saying we need more shooting and this accomplishes that more than anything I can see us doing in any other scenario.

[JDR720]

He looked completely disinterested with basketball this year.

If he can't maintain focus whilst in the middle of "contending" in the West, I'm pretty sure it's a disaster waiting to happen here.

Al did too.

this trade is basically Al for Batum (both expire next season) and 9th for 23rd, Leonard and McCollum.

huge shooting upgrade, 2 40% 3pt shooters and Batum is a career 36% shooter.

I would do the deal unless Hezonja is at 9. Would consider if Stanley is there.

The #9 pick is the best asset in the deal and giving it up just seems a little treadmill-ish imo.

wouldn't do it if Hezonja or maybe Johnson was there, I'd rather have McCollum and Leonard, 2 recent lottery picks that improved and key contributors to a Western playoff team than Frank Kaminsky or Sam Dekker. this is like plan C

[JDR720]

I think Portland is taking too big of a hit to their depth in that deal, I'd still like it if McCollum was removed.

the idea in the OP of the thread i posted it in was to make a big splash to impress LaMarcus so he would stay. I'd think Portland would do this if given the chance. honestly i think we might be able to get more if this is a move to get LMA to stay. maybe another future 1st. keeping LaMarcus > everything in this deal.

Al + 9 for Leonard, McCollum, Batum, 23 and future 1st.

[Eoghan]

^sign me up. I love Leonard.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I'm having trouble making a version that seems fair to all teams involved but I would love to see the Hornets trade for 2 of Kevin Martin, Shabazz Muhammad, or Chase Budinger for the #9 pick and whatever parts are needed to make it work.

I do think that it's probably easier to bring in a 3rd team like Sacramento - they want Marvin Williams and can send a PF to Minnesota to replace the likely retiring KG.

[BeesWax]

I'm having trouble making a version that seems fair to all teams involved but I would love to see the Hornets trade for 2 of Kevin Martin, Shabazz Muhammad, or Chase Budinger for the #9 pick and whatever parts are needed to make it work.

I do think that it's probably easier to bring in a 3rd team like Sacramento - they want Marvin Williams and can send a PF to Minnesota to replace the likely retiring KG.

Not near as big a fan of this idea as I am of the Portland move.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I just don't think that it's realistic for Al to be traded without his consent.

[BobsBuddy]

I wonder if OKC would be interested in trading Lamb to get up to #9? Then we draft best player available at 14.

[LofJ]

I'm having trouble making a version that seems fair to all teams involved but I would love to see the Hornets trade for 2 of Kevin Martin, Shabazz Muhammad, or Chase Budinger for the #9 pick and whatever parts are needed to make it work.

I do think that it's probably easier to bring in a 3rd team like Sacramento - they want Marvin Williams and can send a PF to Minnesota to replace the likely retiring KG.

They'd have to send us Shabazz and Martin for me to be interested in sending them the 9th pick. If Henderson opts in he'd be the obvious guy to trade, otherwise we'd have to send Marvin out. I like this lineup:

Kemba/Williams
Martin/Muhammad
MKG/Stephenson
Zeller/Vonleh
Jefferson/Biyombo

The only hiccup is we'd have to add another quality rotation big, which would be difficult given our cap. But if Henderson opts in I like this trade.