Haweswitdaball da bang a dang diggy diggy - The Spencer Hawes Thread

HornetJail · Post #21 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:54 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
Fischella wrote:Is he even going to play ahead of Marvin and Frank?

Cho off the cuff said the second unit would be Lin - Lamb - Marvin - Frank - Hawes.

That defense is going to be really bad.

Braggins · Post #22 » by **Braggins** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:08 pm

As someone who hates watching bad defense, I'm probably going to have to turn our games off when Clifford sends in the second unit platoon. I really don't understand how anyone in our front office could possibly think that second unit can hold together defensively. Marvin at SF with two dreadfully slow non-rim protectors rounding out the frontcourt is just embarrassing.

Hornet Mania · Post #23 » by **Hornet Mania** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:20 pm

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
Fischella wrote:Is he even going to play ahead of Marvin and Frank?

Cho off the cuff said the second unit would be Lin - Lamb - Marvin - Frank - Hawes.

That defense is going to be really bad.

That's the elephant in the room going into this season. A lot of faith is being put into the defensive system, at the expense of any plus defenders aside from MKG/Batum/Zeller. If the coaching staff can cobble together a passable NBA defense with the players on our roster (especially the bigs, but also the backups in general) we might be able to do some damage, but they're really taking a chance.

This isn't Golden State-style pace and space where everyone can shoot and play solid defense (usually on multiple positions) with one or two exceptions. This is the pace and space blueprint minus just about all the defense when MKG and Batum are sitting. We better score a crap ton of points or the plan is going to fall apart quickly.

Dancingpanda · Post #24 » by **Dancingpanda** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:16 pm

Braggins wrote:As someone who hates watching bad defense, I'm probably going to have to turn our games off when Clifford sends in the second unit platoon. I really don't understand how anyone in our front office could possibly think that second unit can hold together defensively. Marvin at SF with two dreadfully slow non-rim protectors rounding out the frontcourt is just embarrassing.

heres hopeing Cliff stagers the minutes of MKG, Batum and Zeller so one or two of them are always on the floor at the same time.

We have shooters at every position, theres no reason to not have at least one out there

mrknowitall215 · Post #25 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:25 pm

My favorite addition this offseason right behind the Jeremy Lamb acquisition is Spencer Hawes, even more than Jeremy Lin & Nicolas Batum which were both great additions. I've always been a distant fan of Hawes since his days at Washington. One of the more skilled bigs in the league, his talent often goes unnoticed by casual fans, but he was one of my favorite players on the Sixers during their recent playoff runs under Doug Collins. I think Hawes will be a sleeper for Charlotte this season that'll become a fan favorite

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catch20two · Post #26 » by **catch20two** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:32 pm

And he's gonna be our best shot blocker.

mrknowitall215 · Post #27 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:50 pm

catch20two wrote:And he's gonna be our best shot blocker.

That too. Spencer Hawes wouldn't and shouldn't get categorized as a 'rim protector' but he's definitely probably the best shot blocker on the roster. Hawes will have quite the number of highlight blocks during the season that'll have fans like "Where did that come from?" because of his size & length

I know defense is Hawes most glaring flaw, but the Sixers finished with a top-10 defense twice with him playing significant minutes. I believe Clifford's defensive scheme should be able to mask Hawes' deficiencies in that are the same way Doug Collin's did

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #28 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:11 pm

I'll be interested to see what happens when Hawes starts at center (I'm assuming that Al will miss at least a few games with injury).

I'm also wanting to see a lineup with Hawes at center with MKG / Batum playing PF/SF interchangeably.

HornetJail · Post #29 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:21 am

catch20two wrote:And he's gonna be our best shot blocker.

Hawes averages 1.6 blocks per 36 for his career. Al averages 1.5, and did that last season too. I wonder how many of Hawes' blocks are like Al just swatting the ball directly before the shot, which really should be counted as steals not blocks.

mrknowitall215 · Post #30 » by **mrknowitall215** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:22 am

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
catch20two wrote:And he's gonna be our best shot blocker.

Hawes averages 1.6 blocks per 36 for his career. Al averages 1.5, and did that last season too. I wonder how many of Hawes' blocks are like Al just swatting the ball directly before the shot, which really should be counted as steals not blocks.

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spaceballer · Post #31 » by **spaceballer** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:35 pm

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:I'll be interested to see what happens when Hawes starts at center (I'm assuming that Al will miss at least a few games with injury).

I'm also wanting to see a lineup with Hawes at center with MKG / Batum playing PF/SF interchangeably.

If Hawes gets slotted into C during Al injuries, I think performance will hinge on two elements. One is matchups (strength of schedule and the composition of the other team will help determine how effective Hawes will be on the defensive end), and the other is changes to the offensive schemes (you may have to make adjustments and not just slot Hawes into the same sets that use Al, since they're kind of different players with slightly different skills).

RollingWave · Post #32 » by **RollingWave** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:10 am

He's interesting, the +/- hates him but I can see why he might work in this system as long as they don't try to get too cute and play him as a PF or something.

He's actually just turned 27, thought he was older than that.

I can see where the McRoberts comp comes from, but McBob was consistently good in terms of +/- (except that one Laker season) and generally efficient most of the time, Hawes basically had one good offensive season out of 7 so far and 6 bad once.

But as a backup that might work ok my problem with him on the roster is that he heavily overlaps with Kaminsky in terms of skillset and role.

Post #33 » by **fatlever** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:14 am

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Post #34 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Oct 7, 2015 2:13 pm

Spencer's China trip outfit:

LamarMatic7 · Post #35 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Oct 7, 2015 9:31 pm

^Regarding Hawes as a strange dude. Someone posted this tweet on reddit...

[tweet]http://twitter.com/latbbolch/status/651506863486296064[/tweet]

...and a Clippers fan commented that "Between his offseason cornrows, republican obama toilet paper and Dipset themed guest room, Hawes has got to be the strangest guy to play for us since Kaman"

If you google "Hawes Obama toilet paper" or "Hawes Dipset themed" you get exactly what those queries suggest.

spaceballer · Post #36 » by **spaceballer** » Fri Oct 9, 2015 5:40 am

Hawes has at least 1 more year on his contract after this season (2 more if he picks up his option). I hope he gets a good look and some burn to kick the tires. He's either going to be here a while and thus a part of the future, or he needs minutes to burnish his play and value if Cho wants to move him in trade at the deadline for some help.

If he pans out, then the Hornets can play 5 out :lol:

Braggins · Post #37 » by **Braggins** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 3:16 am

Someone needs to make some Spencer Hawes .gifs and compilation videos lol.

Post #38 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 3:32 pm

In his last three games, all of which have come against top 10 defenses, Hawes is putting up this line: 19 MPG, 11.3 pts, 56.5% FG, 37.5% 3PT (2.7 attempts), 83% FT, 5 boards, 2.3 ast, 1 to.

I've been more patient with Hawes than some others, and I wasn't sure why. I'm not a long time Hawes fan or anything, never really watched him when he was in Philly, but I think I just see some nice potential in him. I think I just view him as a dynamic player and, while he does do some things that annoy me, I think he has really unique value offensively. I love his ability to facilitate offense with his passing and by his stretching the floor with his shot. I think he has had some issues with indecisiveness, but I think the talent is there and I don't blame him for taking some time to adjust to our system and his relatively unstable role in the second unit.

The last three games are obviously too small of a sample size to flip the script on Hawes, but I think it has given us some perspective on how he could be a useful piece. I view him somewhat like I view Lin - I place more value on them than their current production because they both seem to be figuring out their roles in our system and I think the tools are there for them to both be significant contributors.

ChokeFasncists · Post #39 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Tue Dec 8, 2015 4:43 pm

Hawes is fine as long as he doesn't try to be Hakeem, Iverson or Mullin. Just spot up at the straight away three, make easy baskets around the rim and pass. Don't dribble or do runners. Never try to bring the ball up the court.

sidestep · Post #40 » by **sidestep** » Wed Dec 9, 2015 6:53 am

There's been a handful of at-the-rim assists to Hawes by Lin recently. So Hawes is diving more than before, instead of just slipping out for the 3.

Aside from fuzzy stuff like chemistry developing between them or whatever, I think this is mostly due to Kam replacing Cody in the 2nd unit (during Al's injury absence), resulting in more open space in the middle for Lin and Hawes.

Looking back, the Lin-Hawes-Cody lineup was awkward for PnR spacing. In order to pull the 5 out of the paint, Hawes has to be the screener instead of Cody, but Cody can't space the floor out to the 3 pt line like Kam; Cody's range only extends to the long 2. So Hawes-Kam is definitely better than Hawes-Cody for PnR spacing, and more versatile.

I've wondered before whether Cody would make a better roll man than Hawes, but Hawes passing ability turns out to be an asset over Cody. Also, I still have doubts about Cody's ability to dive in heavy traffic, like timing and angles, though he's obviously great running the open floor.